Romney, Obama, or other?
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If it’s between Obama and Romney, I have to choose Obama, because Romney would go to war with Iran, which would be horrible, it’d be Iraq all over again. The morally right thing to do is vote for Obama, even if it’s just the lesser of two evils. If a good third party candidate had a chance, I’m all for him, but if there’s a small one that will only take a few percent of Obama votes, which would help Romney, then I’d have to vote for Obama instead. If Ron Paul ran third party, I’d vote for him for sure, because he’d take Obama AND Romney votes, and is more peaceful than either of them.
@v1kingfan, I mispoke. Yes, Romney was not necessarily raised by a poor family. However, his father was a self made man, worked his way up to become the CEO of American Motors and went through many hardships including turning his company around from the brink of bankruptcy. Yes they both became very wealthy and prosperous in the end, but it’s the story and their journey that means the most. You should read into it, their stories are both inspiring and quite extraordinary.
As for Obama and his announcement of his support of gay marriage, that was done completely for political reasons. Why didn’t he announce that in the beginning of his damn presidency? Why didn’t he do anything about it? 1. He’s a coward, and 2. His #1 priority is winning the election; he already knows that he won’t win any new conservative voters so he is now trying to win over as many liberal votes and votes from gay couples as he can
Ron Paul is the choice.
I believe that Romney is more capable than Obama for the position of president, however, I would not vote for him (or Obama) because he does not align closely enough with my values for me to be able to say that he is anything but a lesser of two evils. I would be compromising myself by voting for anyone except Ron Paul.
I would like to hear what you guys think! Who do you think makes for the better president?
Personally, I am with Obama so far. Obama’s healthcare act is what is giving my brother health insurance right now, and even though it involved a tax hike and a budget cut on Medicare, by 2014 (if the bill stays active), everyone in the US will have health insurance. That means no more people going to the ER with colds, while I’m waiting with a broken shoulder.
I’ve been hearing physicians saying that the bill interferes with their right and choice of practice of medicine, which I’m curious to learn about.
I’d also like to hear what you all think on the side of war, with Obama sending troops to Africa, and what you think/know Romney would do.
Who do you choose and why?
The differences between the politicians are not as extreme as they would like to make them out to be. The red tape they have to work through to get anything done in a country completely polarized is insane.
I will be voting for the candidate who supports funding the things in the USA that I find to be extremely important, such as education, and money for funding the arts. I will also be voting for the candidate who (at least on paper) supports the rights of gays and lesbians.
The government is not a peachy and uncorrupt thing. But the issues and the differences between the candidates on those issues are important to me. There is such a thing as the lesser of two evils. For instance, an anti art, anti freedom of choice (just 2 examples) future president would be a detriment to society in my opinion. Details make a difference.
I’ll either be writing in Ron Paul or voting for Gary Johnson (libertarian). To those who think this is “throwing away your vote,” I heartily disagree. It’s high time the people of this country stood for what they BELIEVED in and not merely what is “convenient.” Throughout the primary I heard countless people say “I like Ron Paul, but I don’t think he’s electable.” BULLSHIT. As if the principles of liberty and natural rights were some apps you could simply download, then go about your day. No, they have to be fought for.
As British soldiers were hanging an American patriot in the Revolution, his last words were “My only regret is that I have but one life to give for my country.” God speed to all Ron Paul fighters out there.
@greenbird9183, I do know exactly what you mean and such an approach is far from foreign to me. Yet by me, your post still didn’t clear a certain hurdle. It doesn’t face straight-on the issue of being handed two theatrical choices of evil, and being content to make an illusory choice from that alone.
It’s a matter of opinion as to which is the “lesser” evil… Doesn’t seem much to debate that either are “evil” except by those who cannot see things in a holistic light. So to me, the fact that it’s a matter of opinion as to which is lesser means that neither can truly be so.
@theboss7607, Okay, well he may not have gone through many hardships (depending on how you define it), but he did work his ass off, stayed resilient and determined to reach his goals, traveled to France on a Mormon mission and tried to promote the French mission while facing physical and economic deprivation, seriously injured in an auto accident 1968 (one hardship/setback), etc.
After graduating Harvard in business AND Law (rediculously impressive), he then started many extremely successful businesses, creating jobs and stimulating growth in the economy.
He also turned the 2002 olympics around from the brink of a fiscal crisis (it was almost cancelled, and they brought him in to organize the leadership, policies, raise money, etc). Not to mention he donated $1 million of his own money in addition to 1.4 million to charity.
He gave 14% of his income to charity in 2010, continuously tithes to the church, and his “Tyler Charitable Foundation gave out about $650,000, with some of it going to organizations that fight specific diseases such as cystic fibrosis and multiple sclerosis.”
Not all rich people are ‘selfish’ and bad people, in fact most give considerable amounts to charity and good causes
@yoinkie, And Obama isn’t going to destroy the country? Yeah, Romney probably will but Obama is no better. I mean no one else will stand a chance against them but I would rather see Vermin Supreme take office that Obamney, Romney , Obama whatever they are not much different.
Coming from HEthens i’m surprised every single one of you isn’t closely following Ron Paul. He actually has a chance to win even thought the media has totally fucked him and he’s a man who actually has answers that solve the root causes of our countries problems. I’m 18 this year so it’s my first ever year to vote and i certainly wouldn’t be voting if it wasn’t for Ron Paul because he’s a man who stands for liberty and personal rights. And as for Obama/Romney, I’d really like my country to get out of the wars and focus of important issues back home, Romney isn’t going to do that, Obama might want to do that but Obama has been lying a lot more than i’d like in these last 4 years doing things he said he opposes.
I’m finally going to be old enough to vote this year.
And I have to say, I don’t want to support either of them. I don’t want to be part of the reason why either of them make it to the White House. :/
At the same time, I don’t want to be the cause of the greater evil winning by not voting. (Or even worse, by voting.)
I don’t know what to do, basically. Ron Paul would be my choice, but America is run by the media. And they’re utterly ignoring the man.
I made a topic on this a few weeks ago. lol
I am gonna vote for Obama, because he’s plan is to make us more friendly to the planet.
Romney, want to make natural gas the next oil, and transport oil from Alaska. (He hasn’t learn his lesson from mother nature yet.)
I don’t believed the system works, but i can hope right?
I am in fucking shock. Not a single soul has said Gary Johnson? Here’s one of his campaign videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x9bkXVccAs&feature=player_embedded Ron Paul is a great guy, but you can’t vote for him cause he’s not in the god damn race. Ron ran on the GOP ticket this time instead of the libertarian, and the GOP already chose Mitt Romney, and if they haven’t officially they will soon. However, Gary Johnson is the libertarian party candidate for president and has many views like Ron Paul http://ivn.us/2012/08/05/gary-johnson-carries-ron-paul-message-into-november/ Gary wants to legalize marijuana, get the troops out of the Afghanistan, oppose the renewal of the patriot act, audit the federal reserve. He’s also been a two term Governor of New Mexico, and while he was in office he cleared the state of debt. Long story short, i’m voting Gary Johnson for President of the United States of America 2012
@heavydreamz, that’s never ever going to happen in America..ever lol it’d be anarchy. And not that any of our votes really matter because of the E.C anyway, but I’d choose Obama just for the fact that I think if he gets a second term he will legalize/decriminalize marijuana by 2016!
@taurean10, Anarchy would be a perfect system. Perfectly open, no one would fight over resources, instead be communally harmonious. This country was founded upon this priciple- small government and economy. Unfortunately there will always be someone to take advantage of this and spawn an entire new cycle of fighting over resources, as we’ve seen in this country, as our forefathers knew it would. It’s a constant balancing act. I choose to not be in the dark to the severe imbalance we see today.
It will happen as soon as people are tired enough of this imbalance – more and more small communities will arise (Valhalla) the current power structure will be undermined.