Romney Vs. Obama!?!
If you watch the debate from an uneducated eye you’d believe Romney won the debate.
If you watched the debate with anticipation of what really mattered, and not simply how things were said, you’d be depressed that these two men are fighting to control a nation.
I put this facebook status up and I think its all I have to say on the matter:
Jesse Ventura 2016!?
If you support Obama or Romney you support the status quo. That is just ignorant, the status quo is exactly what we should be trying to change.
Also both Obama and Romney will end up in a war in Iran, while Johnson will not go anywhere near a war in Iran.
Definitely voting for Gary
@trek79, “Get real, then call Obama a failure for lack of miracle. That is insanity.”
I find politics a little like buying a dildo. It doesn’t matter what shape colour or size your still going to get fucked by it.
@trek79, exactly. This is what I really hate about rich people, that even though they already have the biggest homes, the most and best toys, the best food, and all the time in the world with complete freedom to go and do whatever they please, they still bitch and moan that it’s not enough and the rest of us have to pay the price. So they can have EVEN MORE, even though they already have more than they know what to do with, so their ancestors 500 years down the line still won’t have to do anything but jack off all day. It’s like it’s not enough for them to have everything – they have to have everything, AND make sure everyone else has nothing. Rich people paying higher taxes will still be rich, their lifestyles won’t change a bit. This is the beauty of wealth………when you already have the most money, you no longer have to care about money. This is why I actually want to learn to be wealthy, so I can stop working shitty jobs all day only to pay everything I make in bills, so I can quit all that and just move on to actually living.
well if Romney wins, we will go into a pointless war with Iran and risk the lives of countless american soldiers and throw trillions of dollars right out the window. If Obama wins, we will be as close to socialism as ever and we’ll probably be over 20 trillion in debt with inflation at an all time high. Pick you poison(or vote for Gary Johnson).
Nothing in this country will be solved through electoral politics, the election among many other things such as the media and sports is just there to DISTRACT you away from the larger social constructs dictating your every move. The Federal Reserve and the wealthy individuals who run this country run it no matter who is in office so my advice to everyone is revolutionize the way you think about this political shit because the answer lies in each human realizing the limitations our country has put on us telling us we are free when nothing could be further from the truth.
Taxes paid by highest incomes
The top 1% pay 22.7% of taxes.
Taxes paid by lowest incomes
The bottom 20% pay 1.1% of taxes.
The rich complain mostly about the fact that the nation wants to raise taxes on the rich even though they already shoulder most of the burden. Just because they worked harder and earned more, they should be forced to pay more and more? Why is that? I thought we were striving for equality in this country, but more often than not I see this attack on the rich.
@yoinkie, First off, some sources on the numbers would be nice. Not as an insult to you, but if there’s one thing I’ve learned in school it’s that when someone uses stats you should use sources. Man, I hated always having to do bibliographies then but I do see the point.
“The rich complain mostly about the fact that the nation wants to raise taxes on the rich even though they already shoulder most of the burden.”
-They are in a better position to do so….they might shoulder most of the burden but they certainly don’t feel it. As I said, their lifestyles won’t change – they’ll still have the best stuff, and most of all not have to work and get all those stress-related diseases. Also, they should pay more as a way to give back to the system that allowed their greatness to happen in the first place. “With great power comes great responsibility.” – Uncle Ben
“Just because they worked harder”
Also, I don’t like them because they don’t have a notion of “live and let live.” They don’t recognize that the middle class and the opportunity to be a part of it is what makes America different and better than living in all those third world countries our ancestors moved here to escape from. The rich are attacking the rest of us constantly, because their greed is insatiable. They’re bullies, and I don’t like bullies.
@yoinkie, The problem with that, yoinkie, is that most of that top 40% isn’t actually paying what they should pay. They have loop holes in the system to get around what they should actually be paying.
Do you know why the top 40% pay 84.7% of the taxes? Not because they are getting taxed so heavily compared to us – it is because THEY MAKE THAT MUCH FUCKING MONEY.
Imagin this – if there were 100 people who made 1 billion dollars a year
Even with a moderate increasing-tax for the rich, it still would be the top 10% paying WAY more than the bottom 90%. Not because they get taxed heavily, but because they make so much more god damn money.
You know what it takes to get fucking rich in this country? Piggy back on other people, talk a few people, kiss some asses, be a bitch, and then take over someone elses company. Now you’re rich. What the fuck did you do to get there? Not much – you talked your way to the top.
Do you really think they work harder than you to succeed by an economic factor over 1000 fold? Do you think they do 1000x more work than you (literally?)
A bank manager? not much there – all you gotta know is some simple algebra. All you gotta do is take some risks and get lucky. These people aren’t hard workers, they are the exact opposite.
@yoinkie, Yes, the rich do all the hard work, like playing golf while the middle class makes them money. I don’t know about the U.S but our Prime Minister gets $350k per year, the C.E.O of one of our biggest banks got $16 million last year, it must be phenomenally harder to run a bank than it is to run a country.
None of what I said is a new idea, if you study the works of the so called “Father of modern capitalism” Adam Smith, he emphatically demands this subsidy system and a method to balance national debts, but just like the Bible, people pick and choose what suits them at any given time. The main problem is we are some 80 years behind on responsibilities, neglected the low or no profit sectors for so long it will be nothing short of a shit fight to catch up. Stuff charities have been impotently trying to manage.
@theskafish, @ijesuschrist, Those numbers are legit. We shouldn’t be punishing the entrepreneurs and hard workers of America for doing well(not saying the middle class isn’t hard working), we should definitely give them tax cuts. Giving the rich tax-cuts doesn’t necessarily mean the middle-class has to pay more.
@ryan34, but it makes sense. You can’t expect to take from people who don’t have to begin with. And the wealthiest people in the world could stand to be taxed more….suppose you took away half of a billionaire’s wealth, that person still has $500 million dollars left. They can’t complain about hard work, because they no longer HAVE to work ever again, in fact they’d stopped having to work a long time ago. What I would ask them is, why are they still working then? If I’m ever so fortunate as to have enough money to stop working, I’d be gone in a second, no formalities, no goodbyes, nothing. Just gonna get up and walk away.
@ijesuschrist, “Do you know why the top 40% pay 84.7% of the taxes? Not because they are getting taxed so heavily compared to us – it is because THEY MAKE THAT MUCH FUCKING MONEY.”
Yes. I cannot “heart” this enough.
@theskafish, Well the middle class doesn’t necessarily have “nothing to work with” and I’m all for tax cuts for the middle class but what I’m saying is that yeah, millionaires have a lot of money but who is the government to decide what to do with it and punish them for being successful. What incentive would they have to put it back to into the economy if the government takes it and redistributes it to benefit those who are less fortunate, that is socialism. And of course they make a lot of money but their tax rates are still much higher and they shouldn’t be any higher.
I just wanna throw out there… that it’s shitty to stereotype people. There are poor mother fuckers on welfare wasting all their time doing nasty hookers blowing lines of shitty cut coke off her tits…..at the same time….there’s rich mother fuckers who inherited millions wasting all their time doing extremely expensive sexy hookers blowing really good lines of coke off her tits….at the same time….there’s a father of 5 kids who has worked his ass off his whole life, only to get laid off bc of the economy and then goes and off’s himself….and there’s a single mom with 4 kids at home who was fired because she had to take her one kid to the doctor, and now she strips because she has no other option. I’ve seen a lot of different sectors of the population through many different types of work….please don’t judge unless you really know what you’re talking about. My beef with politicians & politics & the rich people making decisions…is that their stereotypical decisions actually effect peoples’ lives… and rarely for the reasons, or the outcomes, that they actually think they’re addressing.
@emily, “My beef with politicians & politics & the rich people making decisions…is that their stereotypical decisions actually effect peoples’ lives… and rarely for the reasons, or the outcomes, that they actually think they’re addressing.” –this is a great point. Both candidates have some sort of prescription for the country. They stick “Americans” into several boxes, or sometimes just a couple, or even one when they discuss the “ideal” or “everyday” American, and they play these groups off each other and reinforce their ideas about what this country is and how it should be. But you can’t know a country by driving around in a luxury chartered bus or flying a private plane to scheduled rallies and book signings and baby-kissing ceremonies.
@ryan34, “Well the middle class doesn’t necessarily have “nothing to work with””
-Yes they do, they can barely buy a new car without going into debt, can’t buy even a modest home without going into debt, and usually can’t put a kid through college without going into debt. Politicians and rich people always go on that the middle and working classes need to “live within their means” but they keep jacking up prices of everything, there really isn’t much in the middle class’ means anymore. Not to mention, when you don’t have a lot of money you have to eat shitty food, you can’t afford the healthy stuff – which results in things like obesity, and having to visit the doctor more and spend more money on expensive health care, once again forcing you to live outside your means.
“millionaires have a lot of money but who is the government to decide what to do with it and punish them for being successful.”
-Taxes aren’t a “punishment for being successful”. It’s paying for the common upkeep of the country, things like roads, schools, hospitals, etc. proportionally to what you are able to give. Rich people should give more because they are able. What’s better, having a strong person lift a 100lb object with ease, or having two weak people struggle to barely move it? I still don’t see why the rich are complaining, like I keep saying, they can afford whatever house, car, food, etc. they wanted before, they will still be able to even with higher taxes. When you reach a certain amount of wealth, you basically have no worries and economics no longer affect you.
“What incentive would they have to put it back to into the economy if the government takes it and redistributes it to benefit those who are less fortunate, that is socialism.”
-Well, as it is, they don’t put it back into the economy. A lot of wealth is sitting in Swiss or Cayman Islands bank accounts generating interest, and the practice of outsourcing jobs is still alive and well. The economy is driven when money changes hands….the more money changing hands, the healthier the economy will be. Back in the ’60s, the economy was doing well because there was a healthy middle class that could go out and actually buy stuff. Like, say a neighborhood upgrades from working to middle class, more businesses will open up in the area because now there are more potential customers. Construction companies will get business from the demand for more homes. Car companies will get business from selling more cars, and appliances, restaurants, etc. And those businesses will need to hire people – there’s job creation. When the middle class gets squeezed, people don’t have money to go out and buy stuff, then companies have to lay people off because there isn’t enough demand to generate enough money to keep the lights on, and so on and so forth. The economy, and jobs, are fueled by customer demand, not the trickle-down effect.
The economic crisis we have is really quite simple: the economy isn’t picking up because there is diminished demand for goods and services because people don’t have the money to go out and buy stuff because they either don’t have jobs or because the jobs don’t pay jack or because of having to pay back increasingly high student loans and medical expenses, and the cost of living is increasing at the same time mostly fueled by rising oil prices from diminished supply of oil. That’s all it is.
We’re still saying “socialism” like it’s a bad thing in America……..I don’t see why.
It has nothing to do with rich people anyway, you are focusing on the wrong issue. It is business, companies, corporations, industries, all these are independant of each other, their duty is two pronged 1) meeting liability and 2) profit. If at the very begining of this system, near a century ago, there was a unified duty of care to subsidiary responsibility, people would not even notice their loss and we would have no issues. People would have nothing to complain about, not obscene wealth, not being taxed more than those lesser in the social scale, not environmental destruction, not poverty, not out of control populations, not poor education.
The fact is, the people of that time were greedy racists who didn’t want to have to develop countries of non-European appearance, so just horded the cash instead of solving problems, the result is the hell we have today.
Who can fix the economy? Nobody
That’s why I’m voting for Nobody in 2012!
Just kidding. Probably Obama. Romney is a douche.
With the global economy, a new type of dealing with a country’s finances has to be realized. I estimate about another decade is nedsed to “realize and stabilize” the worlds financial interconnection.
The President has an ever decreasing effect upon the finacial welfare of the average American. And, after all, this determines our votes.
Is anyone on this website going to vote for Romney? There has to be someone…
@ryan34, Did you read anything I wrote lol?
Punishing for hard work? Oh yeah. Not hard work.
Nobody NEEDS 1 million dollar a year salary.
People NEED to live above the poverty line, for their health and well being.
You don’t see a problem here?
People who make over multiple millions a year are directly stealing from others, not because they are rich, but because people who become rich tend to horde money. It has been proven that the richer you become, the less money you spend in comparison to your total amount of money. This is a dangerous trend, and since there is a POOL of money and not an infinite amount out there – by them hording money and getting pissed that they can’t just sit and stare at their millions is ridiculous.
People suffer because the economy isn’t doing well, and that is because rich people, in general, do not support the economy equally, dollar per dollar, as poorer people do. Rich people make money, they buy a few expensive things, and then they stop. Their money for charities usually go to wealthy people – researchers and doctors for diseases. How will the poor benefit from cures of diseases without the ability to afford health care?
People who defend the rich have an inability to really understand economic systems. FLOW of money is what keeps people happy and balanced in a capitalistic system, regardless if this entire paradigm is good or bad.
To defend rich people is to endanger your own financial well being.
I would totally be for a money-cap. It would prevent all these bullshit problems. You can’t own over 100 million? too fucking bad. Go climb a mountain. Go invent something, go do something worth while. If your entire life is devoted to becoming powerful and wealthy, then you’re stupid. Sorry.
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