Romney Vs. Obama!?!

@theskafish, LOL

If you watch the debate from an uneducated eye you’d believe Romney won the debate.

If you watched the debate with anticipation of what really mattered, and not simply how things were said, you’d be depressed that these two men are fighting to control a nation.

I put this facebook status up and I think its all I have to say on the matter:
I’m sick of people not respecting the environment. I’m sick of people feeling separated from the environment. I’m sick of worrying that National Parks won’t be there for my kids. I’m sick of worrying that Indigenous will be wiped out for oil and money. I’m sick of the ignorance of these reductionists. I’m sick of worrying we’re going to lose something we can’t replace. Then, when every park has been slashed and burned, all the oil is used up, and the economy can’t have its stupid exponential growth anymore – then what? Will they be happy? What happens then?

If you support Obama or Romney you support the status quo. That is just ignorant, the status quo is exactly what we should be trying to change.

Also both Obama and Romney will end up in a war in Iran, while Johnson will not go anywhere near a war in Iran.

Definitely voting for Gary

http://www.ontheissues.org/gary_johnson.htm

I find politics a little like buying a dildo. It doesn’t matter what shape colour or size your still going to get fucked by it.

well if Romney wins, we will go into a pointless war with Iran and risk the lives of countless american soldiers and throw trillions of dollars right out the window. If Obama wins, we will be as close to socialism as ever and we’ll probably be over 20 trillion in debt with inflation at an all time high. Pick you poison(or vote for Gary Johnson).

@theskafish,

Taxes paid by highest incomes

The top 1% pay 22.7% of taxes.
The top 10% pay 50% of taxes.
The top 20% pay 65.3% of taxes.
The top 40% pay 84.3% of taxes.

Taxes paid by lowest incomes

The bottom 20% pay 1.1% of taxes.
The bottom 40% pay 6.1% of taxes.

The rich complain mostly about the fact that the nation wants to raise taxes on the rich even though they already shoulder most of the burden. Just because they worked harder and earned more, they should be forced to pay more and more? Why is that? I thought we were striving for equality in this country, but more often than not I see this attack on the rich.

@yoinkie, The problem with that, yoinkie, is that most of that top 40% isn’t actually paying what they should pay. They have loop holes in the system to get around what they should actually be paying.

Do you know why the top 40% pay 84.7% of the taxes? Not because they are getting taxed so heavily compared to us – it is because THEY MAKE THAT MUCH FUCKING MONEY.

Imagin this – if there were 100 people who made 1 billion dollars a year
and 1000 people who made 40k a year

Even with a moderate increasing-tax for the rich, it still would be the top 10% paying WAY more than the bottom 90%. Not because they get taxed heavily, but because they make so much more god damn money.

Secondly –
Do you REALLY think they are hard workers? They broke their back doing work? They lost some fingers to repetition? Lost some health due to constant chemical / pesticide exposure?

You know what it takes to get fucking rich in this country? Piggy back on other people, talk a few people, kiss some asses, be a bitch, and then take over someone elses company. Now you’re rich. What the fuck did you do to get there? Not much – you talked your way to the top.

Do you really think they work harder than you to succeed by an economic factor over 1000 fold? Do you think they do 1000x more work than you (literally?)

A bank manager? not much there – all you gotta know is some simple algebra. All you gotta do is take some risks and get lucky. These people aren’t hard workers, they are the exact opposite.

None of what I said is a new idea, if you study the works of the so called “Father of modern capitalism” Adam Smith, he emphatically demands this subsidy system and a method to balance national debts, but just like the Bible, people pick and choose what suits them at any given time. The main problem is we are some 80 years behind on responsibilities, neglected the low or no profit sectors for so long it will be nothing short of a shit fight to catch up. Stuff charities have been impotently trying to manage.

@ryan34, but it makes sense. You can’t expect to take from people who don’t have to begin with. And the wealthiest people in the world could stand to be taxed more….suppose you took away half of a billionaire’s wealth, that person still has $500 million dollars left. They can’t complain about hard work, because they no longer HAVE to work ever again, in fact they’d stopped having to work a long time ago. What I would ask them is, why are they still working then? If I’m ever so fortunate as to have enough money to stop working, I’d be gone in a second, no formalities, no goodbyes, nothing. Just gonna get up and walk away.

@ijesuschrist, “Do you know why the top 40% pay 84.7% of the taxes? Not because they are getting taxed so heavily compared to us – it is because THEY MAKE THAT MUCH FUCKING MONEY.”

Yes. I cannot “heart” this enough.

I just wanna throw out there… that it’s shitty to stereotype people. There are poor mother fuckers on welfare wasting all their time doing nasty hookers blowing lines of shitty cut coke off her tits…..at the same time….there’s rich mother fuckers who inherited millions wasting all their time doing extremely expensive sexy hookers blowing really good lines of coke off her tits….at the same time….there’s a father of 5 kids who has worked his ass off his whole life, only to get laid off bc of the economy and then goes and off’s himself….and there’s a single mom with 4 kids at home who was fired because she had to take her one kid to the doctor, and now she strips because she has no other option. I’ve seen a lot of different sectors of the population through many different types of work….please don’t judge unless you really know what you’re talking about. My beef with politicians & politics & the rich people making decisions…is that their stereotypical decisions actually effect peoples’ lives… and rarely for the reasons, or the outcomes, that they actually think they’re addressing.

@ryan34, “Well the middle class doesn’t necessarily have “nothing to work with””

-Yes they do, they can barely buy a new car without going into debt, can’t buy even a modest home without going into debt, and usually can’t put a kid through college without going into debt. Politicians and rich people always go on that the middle and working classes need to “live within their means” but they keep jacking up prices of everything, there really isn’t much in the middle class’ means anymore. Not to mention, when you don’t have a lot of money you have to eat shitty food, you can’t afford the healthy stuff – which results in things like obesity, and having to visit the doctor more and spend more money on expensive health care, once again forcing you to live outside your means.

“millionaires have a lot of money but who is the government to decide what to do with it and punish them for being successful.”

-Taxes aren’t a “punishment for being successful”. It’s paying for the common upkeep of the country, things like roads, schools, hospitals, etc. proportionally to what you are able to give. Rich people should give more because they are able. What’s better, having a strong person lift a 100lb object with ease, or having two weak people struggle to barely move it? I still don’t see why the rich are complaining, like I keep saying, they can afford whatever house, car, food, etc. they wanted before, they will still be able to even with higher taxes. When you reach a certain amount of wealth, you basically have no worries and economics no longer affect you.

“What incentive would they have to put it back to into the economy if the government takes it and redistributes it to benefit those who are less fortunate, that is socialism.”

-Well, as it is, they don’t put it back into the economy. A lot of wealth is sitting in Swiss or Cayman Islands bank accounts generating interest, and the practice of outsourcing jobs is still alive and well. The economy is driven when money changes hands….the more money changing hands, the healthier the economy will be. Back in the ’60s, the economy was doing well because there was a healthy middle class that could go out and actually buy stuff. Like, say a neighborhood upgrades from working to middle class, more businesses will open up in the area because now there are more potential customers. Construction companies will get business from the demand for more homes. Car companies will get business from selling more cars, and appliances, restaurants, etc. And those businesses will need to hire people – there’s job creation. When the middle class gets squeezed, people don’t have money to go out and buy stuff, then companies have to lay people off because there isn’t enough demand to generate enough money to keep the lights on, and so on and so forth. The economy, and jobs, are fueled by customer demand, not the trickle-down effect.

The economic crisis we have is really quite simple: the economy isn’t picking up because there is diminished demand for goods and services because people don’t have the money to go out and buy stuff because they either don’t have jobs or because the jobs don’t pay jack or because of having to pay back increasingly high student loans and medical expenses, and the cost of living is increasing at the same time mostly fueled by rising oil prices from diminished supply of oil. That’s all it is.

We’re still saying “socialism” like it’s a bad thing in America……..I don’t see why.

The fact is, the people of that time were greedy racists who didn’t want to have to develop countries of non-European appearance, so just horded the cash instead of solving problems, the result is the hell we have today.

With the global economy, a new type of dealing with a country’s finances has to be realized. I estimate about another decade is nedsed to “realize and stabilize” the worlds financial interconnection.

The President has an ever decreasing effect upon the finacial welfare of the average American. And, after all, this determines our votes.

@ryan34, Did you read anything I wrote lol?

Punishing for hard work? Oh yeah. Not hard work.

Nobody NEEDS 1 million dollar a year salary.

People NEED to live above the poverty line, for their health and well being.

You don’t see a problem here?

People who make over multiple millions a year are directly stealing from others, not because they are rich, but because people who become rich tend to horde money. It has been proven that the richer you become, the less money you spend in comparison to your total amount of money. This is a dangerous trend, and since there is a POOL of money and not an infinite amount out there – by them hording money and getting pissed that they can’t just sit and stare at their millions is ridiculous.

People suffer because the economy isn’t doing well, and that is because rich people, in general, do not support the economy equally, dollar per dollar, as poorer people do. Rich people make money, they buy a few expensive things, and then they stop. Their money for charities usually go to wealthy people – researchers and doctors for diseases. How will the poor benefit from cures of diseases without the ability to afford health care?

People who defend the rich have an inability to really understand economic systems. FLOW of money is what keeps people happy and balanced in a capitalistic system, regardless if this entire paradigm is good or bad.

To defend rich people is to endanger your own financial well being.

I would totally be for a money-cap. It would prevent all these bullshit problems. You can’t own over 100 million? too fucking bad. Go climb a mountain. Go invent something, go do something worth while. If your entire life is devoted to becoming powerful and wealthy, then you’re stupid. Sorry.