RON PAULS LAST SPEECH
IF YOU HAVEN’T ALREADY: http://www.naturalnews.com/038006_Ron_Paul_farewell_speech_liberty.html
WHY ISNT THIS MAN PRESIDENT?
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@hhhkelly, Ron Paul is a dam genius if you ask me, or just a real man looking to help the people rather than the corporations. We all have to know by now that our government is run by the corporations with all the money. If a pharmaceutical company wants a medicine on the market it will get to the market no matter what. Then we find out 5 years later is causes more problems than it does good, that company made millions maybe even billions and Americans are hurting because of it. The same shit happens with our food supply and the fact we have GMO foods all over the place. Then looking at the FED as discussed earlier, its corrupt as all hell, its privately held and they basically have control of the government as well, deciding how much money to print and the interest rates and all that.
Andrew Jackson, Lincoln and Garfield were all against a privately held bank controlling the money supply, and guess what Lincoln and Garfield were assassinated trying to get rid of a central bank. Where do you think Green Backs came from, Lincoln. These presidents fought for us and in the end lost because large banks controlled the money and bought themselves into action.
We can blame England for adopting this system and bringing it to the US. We have too many government dependent people here in the US and until people realize we will be better off without the FED we will always have a Republican or Democrat in office. Hopefully 4 years from now the Libertarian Party will win, abolish the FED and get this country turned around. Then maybe all the fraud and shit that goes on will come out into the open and these people will be put in jail for White Collar crimes.
Could someone please explain to me why Ron Paul would make a good president, and why a lot of people on HE seem to like him?
Its just that not living in the U.S. , I have little knowledge of the (former) presidential candidates other than the big two.
I’m sorry I perhaps shouldn’t have characterised your discussion as a squabble. I barely read it. I only did so as i assumed a lack of compromise and an abundance of speculation.
Unfortunately NO one knows what would happen if he had his way, since it hasn’t happened. Therefore your views are simply speculative. Not that they are inaccurate, you could be right. But you are still speculating.
I don’t intend to idealise or romanticise him, i just believe in comparison to politicians such as Cheney and Bush he has quite a promising outlook and intentions. This is why I stated he deserves some recognition and has restored my belief American politicians are not all destructive retards who can’t open doors. Cough bush cough.
Anyway apologies if you felt demeaned by the way I described your debate, no doubt that fuelled your reply. I don’t want to engage in a discussion, so I hope I have appropriately elucidated my views for you. :)
Again, everyone fails to acknowledge the EPA and FDA.
For all their bad doings, their protection of the environment and regulating what can and can’t be food is incredibly important.
I could belabor the topic, but… agree or die.
@alltoohuman, Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I have been pretty busy with work. I agree with most of what you are saying, my only point is that Ron Paul would bring new ideas to the presidency which would hopefully usher in some change. Obviously he wouldn’t be able to make all the changes he would like to because he is restricted by congress (which is a good thing) but it would be good to challenge some of the things that Romney and Obama ignore such as the Federal Reserve and the fiat system. Which I don’t think are inherently bad I just think they are not working as well for us as they could be.
But honestly I don’t have much of an economics background other than a few books and textbooks.
@ijesuschrist, Ok yea i get that, and guess what, if it weren’t for ALMOST the entire world running on a central banking system there wouldn’t be that sort of thing might not be. And our country may be to blame in some of those instances with us plaguing countries with debt, invading them, stealing their resources and our corporations paying them pennies for their work. And i am not talking about the guy at the desk thats making millions working hard, im talking about people like my grandfather who came from a family of 9 that was left with $400 once their father died that dropped out of school to help support his brothers and sisters. Then laid brick and built houses starting at 16 years old to go on and start his own business and make millions. Thats what im talking about when i say people worked hard. We happen to be a country that would look at people in a field picking crops as slavery not a job, were spoiled.
@alltoohuman, Yeah I do sort of remember that topic and a little about what you mentioned, I don’t agree with all of Ron Paul’s stances either but I think he is going in the right direction. I can’t read you link right now but I will try to when I get a chance.
@ijesuschrist, I’m so confused over that picture. Are you really comparing the compensation of american executives versus farmers in third world countries? Come on, atlwast compare similarities as in workers in america. Hell, I could make any point sound good if I compared apples to oranges.
Now, if you chose a low level american job like factory worker versus exec. Then yes the exec deserves the millions. The factory workers probably deserve more pay and more benefits, but that’s what getting educated and honest people to the top of the corp world is all about. The factory worker, through his fault or bad corcumstance, didn’t get much of a high school education and no college, and is basically doing a job that robots could do in a few years, (same with you african farmers or whatever). While the exec finished highschool, spent 6+ years busting his ass off at college before getting an entry level position at a company, in which he busts his ass off daily to move towards the top. Are you saying thesr farmers are working harder then people like me? I’m up and at the office earlier then most people wake up. I’m considtently working or nrtworking or making calls. That’s among 50 different faily tasks I also have to do. I will leave the office when most people are getting ready for bed, and go home and do some more work before eating and working out, etc. It statts again tommorow. You are telling me that a worker who is doing a repetitive job that requires no use of the brain, just hard labor (that are bodies are built for) and working a casual 12 hour at most shift deserve more money then my boss, who has worked 80+ hours for 20 years? I agree some people don’t have a fair chance at education, but most do if they are willing to work. But your overall point is ludacris at best.
@ijesuschrist, What about them? They are fucking corrupt also, taking hand outs and pushing through whatever the proprietor tells them to. Why do you think we always have recalls, because that shit probably wasn’t tested in the first place. We are fucking guinea pigs, shits messed up for sure.
@jackflash, There are a ton of reasons that people like Ron Paul, and a ton of reasons that people don’t like him. He was the only presidential candidate other than some third party candidates that would have really made a difference. President Obama and Governor Romney are not as different as they would like people to believe. So the fact that there was a candidate that really wanted to change things made a lot of people excited.
@ijesuschrist, but ill play along, and lets play the role reversal game. The exec could go and learn the factory worker/farmers job in 2 hours and do just as good of a job if hes willing to work. Even if he half asses it, no big deal there are hundreds around him doing the exact same thing. The factory worker/farmer couldnt even last 5 minutes in the execs job. There are probably only 2-3 people in the entire 100+ employee company that could do my bosses job. And none of those are even gaurunteed to keep the corporate structure, maintain profits, uphold the integrity and worker moral the way the boss does.
@reinvented2012, OK SO IMAGINE IF THE EPA AND THE FDA WERE ABOLISHED.
TAH DAH. Nobody seems to understand how fucking important those are. WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Good bye national parks. Drilling in yosemite, in yellowstone, in the boundary waters – you name it. Want a view of ol’ faithful? Get ready for the giant fucking oil tanked right next door.
Want to know what is in your food? Too fucking bad – who would want to label whats in their food. Don’t know what a chemical name is? Oh – thats cause its patented – get ready to not know the ingredients on ANYTHING. Want someone to test if something is safe? TOO BAD.
There are recalls witht he FDA in place, but after the FDA gets removed – Recalls wouldn’t even be required. As long as the next batch maximizes enough profit to avoid lawsuits, deal with your shitty ass ebola or whatever.
Think factories pollute now? Say good bye to ANY regulation on dumping of toxic waste, cleaning of fume exhaust, or limits of cleanliness in products.
Heavy metals in your food drink? You can either spend 50 years of eating only to find out half your brain is fucked, or you could spend the 2,500$ to test it – for every single product and company out there.
You want to get rid of the EPA and FDA? GOOD FUCKING LUCK! I Ain’t supporting that idiotic move.
@ijesuschrist, I am not too informed, but I feel like Ron Paul would not be able to abolish all gov in 4 years of office. he can however start a new path for better life. he knows whats good. period.
choosing the lesser of two evils for years and years have put us here in the first place. Its time for something new, its been time.
@ijesuschrist, How does the gold standard not make sense? There is no need to question its value as their is a global want for gold and that is how you make transactions for things you need. Also, you are severely overestimating the EPA. The EPA does more harm than good as it often infringes upon property rights, creates job loss through regulation while decreasing productivity. A strong economy and a fair judicial system will be better for the environment than the EPA ever will be. ONe more thing, I don’t get why you think that capitalism only benefits the corporations while it is the corporations who are feeding and destroying all competition due to federal money they are receiving. That wouldn’t happen in a free market.
@ijesuschrist, Most of that shit is happening now, they already allow puss in milk, arsenic in canned foods and even more shit i don’t know about so wtf. Yea they do some good, but not enough, they can definitely do better but because the country is controlled by corporations and politics is controlled by corporations and the FED were always going to be fucked. This country isn’t run by the people like it should be. Were not a democracy, were more of a plutocracy.
So no they shouldn’t be abolished but if it weren’t for the corruption of our government and money being more important than the livelihood of the people we would be good, but its not like that.
It’s a shame this post deteriorated to squabbles rather than appreciation of this mans explicit desire to promote the alleviation of suffering. I havent listened to the whole speech, I intend to though. I found the first ten minutes quite inspiring, he has had a somewhat restorative impact on my conception of American politicians.
Thanks for posting, I think he deserves at least some recognition :)
@yoinkie, You’re doing 50 tasks and making phone calls. Your biggest worry is NOT advancing.
The picture illustrates those that WORK HARD – which is what my post was a reply to. You don’t work hard, you work stressed. You have a number of tasks in a given day that you need to get done in order to “succeed” and stand out. You need to be someone’s bitch.
At the end of the day you are exhausted mentally, probably somewhat physically.
But is this really working hard, or are you exaggerating this? You’re at work earlier than most people wake up, so is the rest of the world. All of Central America’s “labor” workers wake up at sunrise – 6am. A friend who went to Costa Rica told me the average work day of labor was 6am-9pm, and they still partied like hell on the weekend.
Your “over worked” schedule is the norm everywhere else. It wasn’t until unions came about that people started pushing holidays, 40 hour work weeks, etc.
These people are doing it to survive and they end up with disabled backs, mental cognition depletion from repetitive tasks, and are generally stuck there.
You get paid ten to a hundred times their pay… are your phone calls 10-100x more difficult than back breaking work? Because you spent 4 years memorizing stuff, you are all of the sudden 10-100x superior to them? Granted – sometimes – it is their choice to go to college or not, but most often it isn’t. An many times people who get positions like you isn’t based on merit, its based on “who ya know”.
“job in 2 hours and do just as good of a job if hes willing to work.”
Yeah, but would he would way rather sit at the office and get paid that 10-100x, right? Granted your under estimation of 2 hours is correct.
The worker could shadow that companies manager and sure it would take longer to learn everything, but it would be a hell of a lot less physical labor. A lot easier on the body. Go fucking pick carrots for 10 hours a day and tell me its fucking easier than your job. If you don’t get a quota of carrots you don’t get paid.
I worked at a very large company – a top 100 in the US. I could have taken over my bosses job no problem. And as a matter of fact, shadowing HER boss I could of taken over her job after a day or two. Its not hard, its an illusion of difficulty. “Oh man I worked 12 hours today I’m beat”.
I’d rather be pulling my hair than twiddling my thumbs, as my dad would say.
But I’m not here to convince you of anything. You’re as far into the whole succeed and growth economical paradigm as anyone on the board and its not my interest to pull you out. Have fun pulling your hair and looking at that pay check. I hope your car is awesome.
@ryan34, Dude… I don’t want to reiterate everything I’ve blasted on this forum again. If you have the illusion that getting rid of the EPA would “Raise all boats” then go to China.
@reinvented2012, yeah well they for all their bad, they are necessary. Getting rid of them at our stage of the game would set us back 200 years.
Ron Paul is great, but this would be a huge, huge mistake and I will not support him because of this. In order to even consider this you have to assume the general population will be completely informed of every companies doings. Companies would need to be completely transparent, and we’d have to trust everything they say.
AND THATS A BIG LOL