IF YOU HAVEN’T ALREADY: http://www.naturalnews.com/038006_Ron_Paul_farewell_speech_liberty.html
WHY ISNT THIS MAN PRESIDENT?
ALSO; EBT CARDS = DEPENDENCY ON THE GOVERNMENT
@ijesuschrist, Ok yea i get that, and guess what, if it weren’t for ALMOST the entire world running on a central banking system there wouldn’t be that sort of thing might not be. And our country may be to blame in some of those instances with us plaguing countries with debt, invading them, stealing their resources and our corporations paying them pennies for their work. And i am not talking about the guy at the desk thats making millions working hard, im talking about people like my grandfather who came from a family of 9 that was left with $400 once their father died that dropped out of school to help support his brothers and sisters. Then laid brick and built houses starting at 16 years old to go on and start his own business and make millions. Thats what im talking about when i say people worked hard. We happen to be a country that would look at people in a field picking crops as slavery not a job, were spoiled.
@ijesuschrist, I am not too informed, but I feel like Ron Paul would not be able to abolish all gov in 4 years of office. he can however start a new path for better life. he knows whats good. period.
choosing the lesser of two evils for years and years have put us here in the first place. Its time for something new, its been time.
It’s a shame this post deteriorated to squabbles rather than appreciation of this mans explicit desire to promote the alleviation of suffering. I havent listened to the whole speech, I intend to though. I found the first ten minutes quite inspiring, he has had a somewhat restorative impact on my conception of American politicians.
Thanks for posting, I think he deserves at least some recognition :)
@alltoohuman, the gold standard never made sense to me now – it just distances the so called “problem” . Ok money doesn’t stand for anything, so lets make it stand for gold.
Ok now… gold. yes. What? Now gold is valuable for a number of reasons, but it isn’t energy – so we can’t use it for everything. I can’t eat it or drink it… It will last forever, but how does this solve anything?
Further the price of gold goes up and down – and would even if we tied it to money. IT wouldn’t be like 5 grams = 500 dollars forever – that would be ridiculous, and even MORE dangerous in a purely capitalistic “free market” system. But rather the price of a gram would fluctuate… this doesn’t solve anything.
what i don’t get about the keynesian school is why it believes governments are competent enough to in some way “control” the economy which usually means borrowing money from the fed and increasing government spending, which will end up a permanent increase. Department of energy was created 50 years ago to solve energy dependency, just like the department of education to fix our schools. How’s that working out? FDA, EPA, doesn’t matter they all SUCK at their jobs. all great in theory but don’t work. not saying they aren’t necessary but they are pretty useless as they are at this point . the less government is involved, the less they are able to screw it up. that’s where ron paul’s coming from, i think
is the idea of the gold standard to limit the gov.’s ability to print more money so they can’t impact/screw up the economy as much? i don’t understand economics that well
I’m sorry I perhaps shouldn’t have characterised your discussion as a squabble. I barely read it. I only did so as i assumed a lack of compromise and an abundance of speculation.
Unfortunately NO one knows what would happen if he had his way, since it hasn’t happened. Therefore your views are simply speculative. Not that they are inaccurate, you could be right. But you are still speculating.
I don’t intend to idealise or romanticise him, i just believe in comparison to politicians such as Cheney and Bush he has quite a promising outlook and intentions. This is why I stated he deserves some recognition and has restored my belief American politicians are not all destructive retards who can’t open doors. Cough bush cough.
Anyway apologies if you felt demeaned by the way I described your debate, no doubt that fuelled your reply. I don’t want to engage in a discussion, so I hope I have appropriately elucidated my views for you. :)
@alltoohuman, Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I have been pretty busy with work. I agree with most of what you are saying, my only point is that Ron Paul would bring new ideas to the presidency which would hopefully usher in some change. Obviously he wouldn’t be able to make all the changes he would like to because he is restricted by congress (which is a good thing) but it would be good to challenge some of the things that Romney and Obama ignore such as the Federal Reserve and the fiat system. Which I don’t think are inherently bad I just think they are not working as well for us as they could be.
But honestly I don’t have much of an economics background other than a few books and textbooks.
@ijesuschrist, I’m so confused over that picture. Are you really comparing the compensation of american executives versus farmers in third world countries? Come on, atlwast compare similarities as in workers in america. Hell, I could make any point sound good if I compared apples to oranges.
Now, if you chose a low level american job like factory worker versus exec. Then yes the exec deserves the millions. The factory workers probably deserve more pay and more benefits, but that’s what getting educated and honest people to the top of the corp world is all about. The factory worker, through his fault or bad corcumstance, didn’t get much of a high school education and no college, and is basically doing a job that robots could do in a few years, (same with you african farmers or whatever). While the exec finished highschool, spent 6+ years busting his ass off at college before getting an entry level position at a company, in which he busts his ass off daily to move towards the top. Are you saying thesr farmers are working harder then people like me? I’m up and at the office earlier then most people wake up. I’m considtently working or nrtworking or making calls. That’s among 50 different faily tasks I also have to do. I will leave the office when most people are getting ready for bed, and go home and do some more work before eating and working out, etc. It statts again tommorow. You are telling me that a worker who is doing a repetitive job that requires no use of the brain, just hard labor (that are bodies are built for) and working a casual 12 hour at most shift deserve more money then my boss, who has worked 80+ hours for 20 years? I agree some people don’t have a fair chance at education, but most do if they are willing to work. But your overall point is ludacris at best.
@ijesuschrist, but ill play along, and lets play the role reversal game. The exec could go and learn the factory worker/farmers job in 2 hours and do just as good of a job if hes willing to work. Even if he half asses it, no big deal there are hundreds around him doing the exact same thing. The factory worker/farmer couldnt even last 5 minutes in the execs job. There are probably only 2-3 people in the entire 100+ employee company that could do my bosses job. And none of those are even gaurunteed to keep the corporate structure, maintain profits, uphold the integrity and worker moral the way the boss does.
@ijesuschrist, How does the gold standard not make sense? There is no need to question its value as their is a global want for gold and that is how you make transactions for things you need. Also, you are severely overestimating the EPA. The EPA does more harm than good as it often infringes upon property rights, creates job loss through regulation while decreasing productivity. A strong economy and a fair judicial system will be better for the environment than the EPA ever will be. ONe more thing, I don’t get why you think that capitalism only benefits the corporations while it is the corporations who are feeding and destroying all competition due to federal money they are receiving. That wouldn’t happen in a free market.
@yoinkie, You’re doing 50 tasks and making phone calls. Your biggest worry is NOT advancing.
The picture illustrates those that WORK HARD – which is what my post was a reply to. You don’t work hard, you work stressed. You have a number of tasks in a given day that you need to get done in order to “succeed” and stand out. You need to be someone’s bitch.
At the end of the day you are exhausted mentally, probably somewhat physically.
But is this really working hard, or are you exaggerating this? You’re at work earlier than most people wake up, so is the rest of the world. All of Central America’s “labor” workers wake up at sunrise – 6am. A friend who went to Costa Rica told me the average work day of labor was 6am-9pm, and they still partied like hell on the weekend.
Your “over worked” schedule is the norm everywhere else. It wasn’t until unions came about that people started pushing holidays, 40 hour work weeks, etc.
These people are doing it to survive and they end up with disabled backs, mental cognition depletion from repetitive tasks, and are generally stuck there.
You get paid ten to a hundred times their pay… are your phone calls 10-100x more difficult than back breaking work? Because you spent 4 years memorizing stuff, you are all of the sudden 10-100x superior to them? Granted – sometimes – it is their choice to go to college or not, but most often it isn’t. An many times people who get positions like you isn’t based on merit, its based on “who ya know”.
“job in 2 hours and do just as good of a job if hes willing to work.”
Yeah, but would he would way rather sit at the office and get paid that 10-100x, right? Granted your under estimation of 2 hours is correct.
The worker could shadow that companies manager and sure it would take longer to learn everything, but it would be a hell of a lot less physical labor. A lot easier on the body. Go fucking pick carrots for 10 hours a day and tell me its fucking easier than your job. If you don’t get a quota of carrots you don’t get paid.
I worked at a very large company – a top 100 in the US. I could have taken over my bosses job no problem. And as a matter of fact, shadowing HER boss I could of taken over her job after a day or two. Its not hard, its an illusion of difficulty. “Oh man I worked 12 hours today I’m beat”.
I’d rather be pulling my hair than twiddling my thumbs, as my dad would say.
But I’m not here to convince you of anything. You’re as far into the whole succeed and growth economical paradigm as anyone on the board and its not my interest to pull you out. Have fun pulling your hair and looking at that pay check. I hope your car is awesome.
@ryan34, Dude… I don’t want to reiterate everything I’ve blasted on this forum again. If you have the illusion that getting rid of the EPA would “Raise all boats” then go to China.
@ijesuschrist, actually I bike to work because its healthier and environmentally better. And mypay check does better for people and the world around me then it does for me. But you are more thenentitled to make assumptions, even though you ddon’t know me, a lot of people do that. Ill respond to the rest later when I have free time.