• Animals are not selfish, because they are not aware of themselves. They are, in fact, selfless, for they are only conscious of outward sensation, and whether it is rewarding or punishing them by pleasure or pain, which then seems selfish, but they’re only aware of the external effects and their reactions to them. They have no deep inner feeling, because that would require a deep inner movement to which they have never practiced – they cannot think. They make no decisions, because they are beings of pure reaction (instinct and fear) and adaption (memory and experience); they act depending on how the world acts on them, as nature. If they were to recognize themselves, they would be able to reflect on their experiences and put aside their instincts and fears. They would, for the first time, be able to think, to decide, to prepare an action, rather than to act simply out of fearful reaction. They would eventually, through this presumption, be more than independent, which is simply a negation of ‘dependent’, but would make nature dependent upon them, only if they kept preparing and progressing though. Cause and effect, which used to coincide with nature and adaption, is now reflected into reason and action, mind and nature. It was reflection that made Man who he is, or, rather, who he is supposed to be: master of the entire universe.
• When two selfless souls unite, as is considered non-individual or pro-communal, the conclusive equation equals out to nothing between them both and thus onto the answer. One selfless soul negates itself (negating its soul) and gives itself the value of zero, for all values are granted by our selves. Two souls with this value of zero in union amount to… zero! In becoming selfless and spreading such a morality, you are spreading the cancer of emptiness within all that has the potential to live at its fullest; you are negating Existence as a whole for the whole. Sure you really exist, but you do not value yourself, and therefore you do not value Existence; it ceases to be to you, as you are also capable of devaluing and denying, so you have incapacitated your ability to truly live. By considering it selfless to also take the souls of others like yourself (through your morality’s crave for dominance – the laying down of your own), you spread your cancer and help fashion a world of negation, of denying Existence, the Truth, and reality altogether.
• One is always seen as either selfish or selfless: if one is non-individual, he is pro-communal; if other is non-communal, he is pro-individual: it always seems to be one or the other. But what is the use of negation? What is the use of lessening something? What is the use of obliteration? Why can’t someone be both: pro-communal and pro-individual. At first there is a contradiction, not between community and the individual (for, i.e. an individual is part of the community), but between the associated terms ‘selfish’ and ‘selfless’. You cannot be without yourself and with yourself at the same time, it is impossible. Let’s look at the big picture: which one is exclusive? The one that adds or the one that subtracts? The positive or the negative? The position or the negation? It is not exclusive to include something – that thing being the position of the self; but the denial of something is always exclusive, because it expels, leaving nothing left – it only destroys, and does not even reposition itself. To be selfless is to deny the self, the individual, the soul. Selflessness is the antithesis of selfishness and nothing more; its fault is in the fact that it only speaks of wrongs and not of right. In the end, all selfless moralities only deny and destroy, scolding rights the whole way to their belov’ed nonentity. It should be clear now that a reanalysis of the self is required to understand the True worth and reason for community and the individual (does Socrates’ oracle ring a bell?).
• What then is found within as a feeling and passion that drive us to be “selfless”, or, rather, noble and unified?? Love! Love is that which comes from within the self and manifests in the genuine union of selves: it is when two selfish souls unite that the True community is founded. When carried on to and through universality, an ideal community of ideal individuals will evolve out of every soul to actual reality, becoming one soul, one self. Can you see now that it’s not selflessness that makes genuine harmony, but universal selfishness?
• True love is not a willingness to sacrifice yourself for another, but to be not merely for yourself. Notice it is not to end you, replacing the emptiness with others, but to add them to you. Love is an additive effect, not a negative struggle: you value yourself and others. How can you truly love a self when you can’t even truly love your own self? A sacrifice in that case would be to save them from lowering their standards to you – a sacrifice you’re damned by your morality to make. In the end, you will be unlovable and unloving. Feelings and passions are based in your soul, but in divorcing yourself from it, you will lose all feeling and passion; you are then in the perfect place to become a Buddhist or Taoist, emptily and pointlessly toiling away at simple life – good as nothing, good for nothing, awaiting the peace of death. If you kept to feeling as important like a Christian, then you are lying to yourself about love: you “love” everything and everyone on impulse, but never really stop doubting it all, for your feelings want to manifest themselves for real, instead of just in theory; your blind love, ushered in like blind faith, to which you also pledge allegiance, is never True enough to satisfy, so you sin without end, anger and resentment building up inside to all those people you “love” who don’t act like it (quite frankly, because they don’t love you; but it’s important to the completion of True Love that it’s reflected into both). They love without reason, and like anything without reason, it doesn’t end well. Love is the Ultimate Reason, but they don’t treat it as such, so it’s thrown about without appropriate use like a phone to cavemen or newspaper to a hobo, attaining new meanings and definitions along the way by arbitrary circumstances – all falsifying the purposed Reason. As for its ultimatum, the consequence for the wrongful use of love will mirror the oppositely positive accomplishment of using it correctly – leading it to Perfect Good: it will, on the contrary, lead to the perfect evil.
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@sapienite, Is your book published? I may be interested. If it is so comprehensive then really all we can do here is discuss until you have re-written it. Maybe I should look at your book before I can really be constructive in this discussion.
I must realize that the ultimate reality is not concept? Have you been reading what I wrote? That is the primary point of my philosophy; people assume a “conceptual identity” that their concept of themselves and the world is all they are, but I am saying the universe existed before concept ever existed. I say that concept is a tool for improving things but it is misused, mainly by seeing it as more than a tool.
Things that are not my field are usually things that are irrelevant, such as the ends of the universe. And by ends I don’t mean THE end I mean something more along the lines of stabilization, purity, harmony.
My book is not published yet. As i’ve said, I wanted to see how people may react to one particular piece of it, so i put in a small excerpt. My responses simply come out of defense and interest: i like a good argument. I respect your motives and philosophy: at least you have one, unlike the vast majority. I learned or re-freshed a few views about things by this conversation alone, so thank you.
1) I agree that our terminology is different, but we speak of the same thematic concepts. I accumulated my particular terminology out of philosophical study (excluding the modern era nihilists) and out of changing certain words to fit their essential themes (i speak essentially).
2) I think you have one word for “concept”, but i have as the example above “themes”, as well as Truth, Knowledge, the Understanding, and Wisdom. In Understanding our world, we must take in every bit of it, even the bad; we must accept everything and in so doing gain Knowledge, which is always on its way to attaining Absolute Truth. It is through Essence, or Themes that we get a glimpse of Absolute Truth, and can then expand our Knowledge. Now Wisdom is the USE of Knowledge: it is when we go out into the world and Actualize our Ideals, or act in accordance with Reason. I would recommend reading some epistemological philosophy to embolden ‘concept’, you indeed understand the Wisdom of it.
3) What you said about using concept to master the Universe: we must Understand the Universe (with Knowledge), so that we may then Over-stand it (with Wisdom). We learn by inquiry, or Reasoning, and we act for a Reason. Rationality and the Dialectic are very important to the process.
4) The only thing i’d ever get a sort of sense in duty from is Absolute Truth: spreading and using it. Through the orchestration of my Soul between Passionate Spirit and Rational Mind, I become Virtuous. As Virtuous, I am at Peace. It is for a Reason though, so it is not quite a duty as they come.
5) Duty is often bad, because people have many duties that they put themselves to do without real reason for doing them. All evil is rooted in ignorance, apathy, and nihilism. “faith”, for one, is absolutely opposed to Reason; it skips Reason and goes straight on into assumption (that is evil, and no matter its consequences, it is destructive to the Soul, for it fosters ignorance and apathy).
6) Yes, self-awareness starts with awareness, and we cannot be self-aware without having awareness; we must keep our foundation or lose our footing in reality, lose our life entirely. The “Soul” was always possible, it just had to be complete, and its potential structure is complete in Man.
7) I have heard essences of Freud, Taoism, and stoicism in your responses. Those are all particular philosophies of particularly nihilistic tones. Even still, you understand Man’s power and potential; for that, you took a lucky turn. But i recommend an understanding of Man’s Soul: Rational Mind and Creative Spirit.
@sapienite, I agree with a lot of what you say but this is a very confusing thought process to have on your mind, good to get it out.
You talk about fish being selfish or selfless, but you said it yourself, fish are incapable of conceptual thought and so a fish is incapable of being selfish or selfless. There is a thing called ego, it is basically life. This is self preservation: food, fight/flight and then there is reproduction: perpetuation of the species. This is factors, in fish, of both selfish and selfless, as we would define them, but this is an inappropriate way to connotate, at that level there is no right or wrong, no good or bad, no morality or sin, it is simply the Yin/Yang universe at work, the purpose that drives.
Nothing exists without a purpose and everything fulfills the purpose it exists for. In that system you have constructive relationships and destructive forces, neither deserve the connotation of good or bad etc, it is not like we only need one and should get rid of the other, both are vital functions of existence.
The thing is that as constructive beings, we are the result of billions of years of constructive relationships between people, animals, life in general, atoms, energy and beyond to the quantum. As an atom is a constructive relationship of energy, life of atom, etc. So as constructive beings our interest is in the protection and liberation of constructive relationships, logically.
The threat to these relationships is destructive forces, but as I said, the destructive forces are equally as vital to existence as the constructive, so we just can’t be rid of them. Instead we focus the destructive toward the appropriate purpose, we benefit from this effect and we minimize collateral damage with the control. Just like an explosion in demolision, the process was chaotic but over time we controlled it and the process is much more safe, localized and effective.
That is the fundamentals of cause and effect and our role in it, our duty. We do all this by the appropriate focus of another destructive force, concept. This is unique to humans and is the most powerful tool at our disposal, it is also the most dangerous. We are not concept, as I have said about all the constructive relationships that have existed for billions of years, all this was before the first concept ever was concieved, we are those billions of years of purpose, of always fulfilling exactly what we existed for.
Concept is just a tool that we can use to understand everything and to use for enhancing all that natural purpose and quality that we really are, concept is for protecting and liberating the constructive and focusing the destructive.
I agree that selfishness is primary, to become a better rounded individual we do the best we can at what we are good at and with the surplus we buy help for that which we are not good at, but require. This whole selfish principle of becoming a well rounded individual is what society works on, each of us produce where we can and we buy help for where we can’t do ourselves. This, in theory, is how everyone is supposed to have the opportunity to become a well rounded individual.
Helping people also has a selfish benefit, so you cannot dismiss it as negation. By helping others they are more willing to allow your life to be smoother, they could even help you back. But also you get the benefit of a good conscience, that you have done nice things you will like yourself as a person more, adding to you becoming a well rounded individual.
Just remember, nothing exists without purpose. Just because you may see something as being counterproductive, does not mean it is wrong, out of place and needs to go, it just means that it is being used incorrectly.
1) The text i first posted is taken out of the context of my book. I admit that some parts have an odd speaking pattern, but I try to capture the essence rather than the mere substance of thought.
2) What i mean by saying animals are not selfish, is not that they don’t act out of self-preservation; they are forced to do so by pleasure and pain, which demand their reactions.
3) On account of bears, i had noted in one of my responses that predators had more advanced mental capacities, because they’re capable of being proactive in order to catch pray and keep territory. They are still, however, unable to rule nature itself, because they are still adapting to circumstance.
4) There IS a self-benefit in preserving certain species. For one, those who fight to preserve them often have an interest in them that is purely zoological: now if they were in a tribe that is constantly being attacked by a strong predator, they will not care about the preservation of them as a whole, and simply kill whichever ones they could to them preserve themselves. Once they are no more threat to our society, they become interesting oddities, like pets, that serve us to entertain us (still selfish).
5) Society is made up of individuals, there’s no other way. Society’s PURPOSE is to provide for individuals; it is a selfish purpose. The economy, for instance, was formed so that more resources and items could be taken by those who did not have all the means and time to make them on their own. Alienated labor occurred, the system needed currency, etc. Love, the proper foundation of society, is what i’ve been trying to explain above, because Love is an “additive” notion, it adds selves together into one collective self, which is society. Truly, they must set themselves as standard and only then act to the good of those others to which they SHOULD Love. If a society has no Love in it, like almost all today, then it doesn’t deserve to exist: there is no Reason to continue being blindly altruistic.
6) I meant by Christians feeling important that they, unlike the nihilists, want to pass on their selflessness and “love everyone”, but they are not Truly Loving everyone, because they do not even know everyone. This altruistic “love” of everyone is irrational, indifferent (not passionately genuine), and cancerous to True Love. I did no say they’re selfish, i said they’re proudly selfLESS. Really, they’re just hypocrites who say they love everyone indiscriminately, and in doing so ungenuinely, they are all, IN FACT, without genuine feeling or thought. All the while they are ignorantly apathetic, while ASSUMING they’re the opposite.
7) You attacking the common term of “Selfish”, which is not the one i speak of. I speak of the Individual and the Soul as ideally selfish. Find the essence of the theme.