Sharing epiphanies yaaaaay (ideas of no-self)

3 years, 1 month ago

I love it when random pieces of scattered information that you’ve mulled over in an instant click together in your mind like a finished puzzle. You can FEEL it in your brain–and whatever understanding has landed makes complete sense to every fiber of your being. Such an amazing feeling. Mindgasms phew!! Better than sex.

Anyway, I’m way into over-sharing so here ya go–

So I was reading Ellie’s blog earlier today. http://wellsellie.blogspot.com/2011/10/i-dont-know.html Very interesting and some parts in particular stayed with me, such as the ideas that tomorrow never comes, life is a process of becoming, and that we aren’t who we were even a second ago.

I also watched I <3 Huckabees recently and the part about the strangeness of the question "how do I know myself?" got to me (duh) and I enjoyed mulling over it.

Also, I am VERY interested in Buddhist teachings and much of it makes more sense to me than, well,anything ever has. I had been pondering the idea of ‘no-self’ for a few days. This one was baffling me.

BUT THEN FINALLY! Because the past is gone, and the future isn’t written there is only right now. Who you were isn’t the person you were a second ago, because we are continuously in-taking new information and adding to "who we are" pile. But the pile of "who we were" yesterday is gone, forever. This is never ending, until the very last moment. There is not a "self", only consciousness, every moment, moments are life itself. Only right now exists. Since we are in a continual state of change, there can never be a definable self. Our only true self is that which lies in the very NOW, this very moment. Our minds tend to live in the unchangeable past and unforeseeable future. When we meditate we are bringing our minds in line with the only thing that actually exists-the now, pure consciousness, pure experience. We are energies in-taking experience and can influence others energies pure experience in (hopefully) positive ways.

We can only exist in the now. Right meow!

10.14.2011 at 12:24 am

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Profile photo of Renee Renee (@themorning) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Also, isn’t it weird how you can hear these ideas so many times, as I know this same kind of thing has already been posted, but the ah-ha! just doesn’t come until your mind is ready for it and has taken in all of the necessary information and put it in the right order? And you aren’t even really sure what conclusion you were looking for or what the exact question was but the answer is like some holy golden nugget of truth that speaks to something inside you and makes you a better person? Yeah, that’s fun. :)

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler (@trek79) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Now is not a fixed moment, it is like flowing river water, constantly moving down a stream to the sea, or lake, then evaporates to a cloud where it falls to begin the cycle again. Who knows where it will fall this time?

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Profile photo of Candice Candice (@dice) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

ive heard a small piece of “right now” thoeries…the way you worded this just kinda gives it a little more life; you seem so excited..i forgot about this way of thinking, and needed to remember..so it was nice coming accross it. even writing and reading and going over every word one more time changes everything…i love thinking <3 lol

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Profile photo of R.V. Star R.V. Star (@rickvonstar) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Ray – I disagree. Now never goes anywhere, it’s always here.

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Profile photo of R.V. Star R.V. Star (@rickvonstar) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

read the blog post for good measure.

Isn’t it thrilling to surrender control and let go of the ego? It’s really marvelous, to became as a child again. :D

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My ex girlfriend – “I’m tired of always being so poor and not knowing what’s going to happen. I’m just so confused :( ”

Me: “Huh, actually I think it’s sort of a rush.”

^ Beginning of the end

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler (@trek79) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Keenan, it is true if we flow with it.

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Profile photo of R.V. Star R.V. Star (@rickvonstar) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

haha touche :)

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Profile photo of Renee Renee (@themorning) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Candice, I am glad it could spark some re-interest. Sometimes we just keep on pushing through the information and some of the things we may have felt we connected to in the past get forgotten about. Yay thinking! <3

For me, now can’t be just here or just moving. Now is ever-present AND ever moving. We flow along with the now. :)

Keenan, what a great way to look at that. Sometimes, by debt and money issues are the one thing that still stresses me out…but it’s the unknown, and it IS kind of a rush, to traverse the future only in the present moment. And I’m not the person I will be in future moments, I am only me RIGHT NOW and that is the only person I should be.

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I had this same epiphany happen! I call it the “I do not exist” epiphany. It was a combination of reading Plato’s theories, blogs on here, and just thinking a lot. It clicked for me and I was pacing back and forth talking 100 miles a minute at my boyfriend. I haven’t been the same since. :)

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Profile photo of Brighton Brighton (@btone) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

While I love discussing the interpretation of the Buddhist “now”, I would have to diverge entirely at the idea of being nonexistent. The very decision to distinguish my divergence is proof of the reality of my existence. “I think therefore I am”, by Descartes is the most commonly quoted philosophical phrase deployed to disarm the false notion of nonexistence. Even the idea one may have of being nonexistent exhibits thinking, and therefore proves he/she is alive and existent. As soon as you try and make an argument for being of nonexistence you are living in a fallacy.

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As soon as one attempts to prove they are not real, they in turn prove the opposite.

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

The argument is not that we literally do not exist in physical reality, but that a constant “self” or consistent personality does not exist, due to our “selves” being based on ever changing circumstances and surroundings.

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Profile photo of Michael Michael (@mike) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Well said, Ellie.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

When the clicked pieces click together into bigger clicks, who later make greater clicks, etc. that’s when life will really start to change right before your eyes?

@Keenan When you let go of the ego, that’s when you gain control. The ego can’t control anything, it just thinks it can. When your ego is shut down, you will realize how much control and power you really have, when you really feel the fact that you are not your ego. You will remember who you really are (just like Mufasa told you to :p) and how much power that means.

@Ellie The self is constant, it’s the content of it that changes. All of it can be replaced, but the (ego) self will remain the (ego) self. Circumstances and surroudings don’t have to influence the self either, it’s all about mental toughness. The self is really just the info stored in your subconscious concerning what you think you are. The self is like a system folder in a computer, while the contents may change the folder won’t.

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Manimal, are you telling me that getting hit by a bus would not influence the self as long as you possess “mental toughness”? What about a brain tumor that affects your mental processing? Circumstances and surroundings definitely can, but don’t always, influence the self.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

@Ellie I see how that makes sense. But really, why should a bus hitting you affect your idea of yourself? How? It’s all about thought. As for the tumor, how do you know it affects the mind? Many people have tumors that don’t cause any trouble at all. And then there’s this whole script flipping thing, how do you know the self didn’t create the tumor, etc?

I get your points, but I think you have some loose ends there. And how well do you really know yourself?

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

For one, the bus hitting me might kill me, which would affect my idea of self by either making it non existent or making it metaphysical.
If it didn’t kill me, it’s possible I would suffer brain trauma which could take away some of my motor functions or ability to think clearly, or may put me in vegetable mode. I would be different then, because though my consciousness may continue in some way inside of my mind, it wouldn’t be based on my five senses the way it is now. It would have to be different.

As for the brain tumor stuff, I can’t argue against tumors possibly being created by the self in some way, because that is impossible to know. It is also true that tumors don’t always affect personality. However I’ve read about people with brain tumors suffering sexual dysfunction, depression, and even one extreme case where a man developed a case of pedophilia which abated once his tumor disappeared.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

@Ellie All very good points. But, about your self being based on your five senses, how true is that really? Can you see that self? Or physically hear it or feel it? Taste it, smell it? Can you? Very interesting, I’ve never heard of anyone like that, what’s it like?

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Profile photo of Renee Renee (@themorning) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I am still a little confused about the ego-self existing. Not in a physical sense, but as something I can identify. How can I identify an ego-self when that self is living in fully in the past or future, which doesn’t actually exist? So the folder is there, and the contents are ever-changing, but what is the folder exactly??

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

When I look in the mirror and see my”self”, am I or am I not using one of my 5 senses? If I had been born without ears would my internal reality be the same? Absolutely not. The “self” is affected and shaped by our senses. If I didn’t have my senses I’d have no way of knowing I exist… or so I guess.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

@Renee The ego or “self folder” is the compartment of your brain/mind that holds your self image, all your beliefs about yourself. Your attitude, your mentality, your habits etc. Basically it’s your self image, yes it is all based on the past so that your thinking mind can take over and “remember” what you are when you aren’t present. Think of it like the directions for your auto-pilot, except it’s intelligent. It’s your whole lifestyle, everything that’s happening in your life that you aren’t focusing your awareness on is handled by this auto-pilot.

@Ellie I thought we were discussing the mental concept of self, we misunderstood eachother. So yes, you can see your body, i just don’t consider that to be this self that this thread was discussing, we have different definitions so we misunderstand eachother. But I’d also like to add this question: When you look in the mirror, how much are you really looking with your eyes and how much are you “looking” with your thoughts? The ego self is all thought, that was the point I was pointing toward. I’m not asking you to believe anything I’m saying, just to consider exploring it fully. What is this “me” that you’re talking about, other than thoughts of your past?

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alexishungry) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Make a pool covered with glass except for one 6′ X 6′ entrance point, wear an oxygen tank, and walk around upside down on the glass underwater :) It would be fun and like super low gravity.

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