Shooting Again! 27 Dead! Again? Is this becoming a weekly event?
Again? This is becoming a weekly event?
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Fuck That! this is uuuuhmerica!!
I come from a town where everyone and their cousin has guns, and i dont know a single person who owns a firearm for protection. but what about us folk who just like to hunt and shoot shit because its fun?? ever done it?? its fucking EXXXHILARATING. and all that monstrous power of a shot gun kicking into your shoulder with that loud thunderous boom… and watching something get fucked up by the aftermath.. its one of the most badass feelings you can experience, and all that power that you just witnessed gets incorporated into your self to where YOU are the all powerful being. It’s a mind trip.
SO WHEN THIS KID GOES OUT AND DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS: hes just screaming for attention. He wasn’t a psychopath… he wasn’t crazy.. he was just a very confused child who started playing games in his head at an early age, because he was a nomad cast alone in a sea full of barking seals. ITS YOU PEOPLE!!! you people who dub him the title of psychopath and a crazy which made him turn into the crazy psychopath!! People who see someone who is a litttttle bit different then normal, and treat him like hes an animal instead of a human who actually has feeling and emotions, which brings out the fucking animal in him! you guys create these titles for people to fulfill. and now look!! he gets what he wanted as everyone across the nation is facebooking their remorse and talking about him, talking about him… talking about him! and embedding him into american history as the deranged mental psycho who killed a bunch of children because it got his dick hard one last time before he offed himself!!!
all because somewhere along the way, there was a happiness guzzler, a being who fuels themselves from the sorrow of others, that made him feel like he was different, which led to pathetic, which led to worthless, which led to deranged. it could happen to anybody. anybody who doesnt feel enough love in his or her life to lubricate their mental health. if this kid had had the adequate help of someone who actually gave a fuck, this wouldnt have happened. but then again.. instinct is a very hard subject to compare amongst the norm of things, and there is always the lion who will eat his own cub
i dont understand it either, and noone will or can to know why he had to take those children down with him… its a very very sad fuckin thing that i know made every single one of us cringe in rage when we heard. but thats how he fealt he needed to express himself. thats such a bad thing to say that we need guns to protect us from the nutjobs who have guns. i hardly doubt that anyone who owns a hunting rifle will ever use it against another human being in order to protect themselves.
theres no way in hell you can pin point this on the weapon used. like some have mentioned, he would of figured out some other horrible way to go postal if he couldnt obtain a gun. stricter gun control, yeah sure maybe it will help, but its already pretty strict. you cant just test someone for murderous intentions. but it would also cause problems with the common american’s ego and might cause quite the up roar.
what we really need to do is just love. love love love love love. treat every stranger as if they’re your best friend, cuz you never know when just a simple friendly smile could save a life or few. i talk shit on people, i hate on people, i get jealous of people.. but i promise i will try sooo much harder now to just be humble and loving and not let stupid shit predicament my opinions of others. we have all been that little kid who got his feel goods hurt by someone else when we were younger. and that shit sucks. noone likes to see a sad child. shit makes you wanna cry. but we ALL still have that little kid inside of us who gets his feelings hurt by things, but wouldnt it be soo much easier if the world was just nice to us all the time just because being nice was the nice thing to do?
we are the world, we are the future, we are the ones who make a brighter day so lets start giving.. or somethin like that
Gun control laws would make thinga much worse, taking guns out of the hands of innocent peopl teying to defend themselves and their families, while these socippaths won’t have any problem obtaining guns like they always do. China has the most strict gun control laws in the world going as far as not allowing anyone to privately own guns. Yet a man went into a school yesterday and stabbed 21 people to death. China also has had 7 mass school shootings in the last year as well as far far more mass murders throughout in the last five years.
Don’t be stupid and blame guns for what tyese people do. I’m sick of hearing people blame objects for the faults of humans. We don’t focys on why these people are acting these ways and juat write it off as “they got their guns too easily”. If you made guns illegal tonight, I could just as easily have five guns by tommorow morning. And now I know the innocent homeowners don’t have a gun and I can go in with my guns un-defended.
Lets instead put focus on the people, do more research into the mental make up and for the love of god, put more focus on forwarnings. I bet atleast a dozen people saw this shooting coming, maybe not as severe but saw some flwas in this kids mental state.
Please familiarize yourselves with switzerland’s gun policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Gun_crime
Everyone in switzerland has a gun. EVERYONE. How many gun related deaths in 2006? 34.
Not only do the swiss have guns, they all have fully automatic weapons.
Now I know America is not Switzerland. However, guns are guns no matter where they are located, and if you are going to make an argument that guns change the mindset of someone, you are wrong because they are only a tool.
I think everyone should be trained and armed, notice I said “trained” first, thus preventing you from shooting yourself in the foot.
I also do not believe that arming everyone will fully solve our problem of sociopaths. America has many people per capita, therefore we have far more of these incidents than other countries. All that means is that people need to take to time to be involved in their families. I am a lucky one, I have many people to talk to and get help from if I were to ever need it. This is not the case for a large portion of this country.
I don’t know this kid’s story, but I care, and that is something which is being lost in these news reportings. I feel absolutely horrible for the families of the deceased, but I also feel bad for the killer because this kid obviously had no one to help him.
Make the harder choice when you hear of these stories, and choose to help the people. If you want to fix this country, start emphasizing family values, and community values.
No! We don’t need stricter gun control laws to solve this problem, we just need to stop creating a society which produces fucking idiots. Make it a point today to take a good look at the way our society raises its people from a young age, the outdated and flawed belief systems we teach them, and the consumerism-driven culture we live in which causes a complete shutoff of any curiosity and/or creativity you once had as a child. Get your noses out of your phones and look around you. There’s a lot more going on!
Do people seriously think gun control will change NOTHING? Of course it doesn’t help the core of the problem, but right now EVERYONE can in the US can easily do what this guy has done if they were crazy enough to do it. You have a gun, therefore, you could decide to shoot someone (or several people).
The argument “The people are really the problem, not guns, therefore gun control will make no difference” really makes no sense. Should a problem either be completely eliminated, or stay the same? Why so black and white? Every bit that helps, is worth it.
If I were to take a random guess, I’d say that old Uncle Sam is up to no good again. What’s the best way to get a nation to put down their arms? Make them think that their guns are bad, then they’ll want to institute news laws that take the guns away. Defenseless nation. Kinda like reverse psychology.
Gun control won’t stop anything. As I said previously in the thread, if a maniac wants to kill a large group of vulnerable people, anything can become a weapon. @mimic mentioned it when talking about poison in the food. It’s not like it’d hard to make a bomb or create poison out a lot of things…gasoline is distributed EVERYWHERE.
It is a comfortable lie to think you can stop these types of things by removing an object…it is a false hope and an ignorance to the fact that the killer is in the person, not the device.
@cloudstuck, we have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves from an oppressive government, not to protect ourselves from each other. Somewhere along the way that was switched and now backwards along side everything else.
i support gun control because i realize the majority of humans behave like animals, creatures of stimulus and response… especially stimuli that are accessible to our immediate attention in an environment of little or no substitutes, during moments of impulse.
if a freshly baked, mouth-watery apple pie were placed in front of you, and you’re famished because you hadn’t eaten the whole day… chances are your stomach will growl, your saliva will increase, you’ll be inclined to taste it.
but if placed in front of you were bags of flour and sugar, raw eggs, a can of preserved apples, and baking utensils, it’s unlikely your body will respond in the same manner… and you’ll likely pass on the hassles of baking an entire apple pie from scratch.
same analogy can be given for placing a lighted cigarette in front of a chronic smoker under sobriety… a penthouse magazine in front of a testosterone-fueled adolescent boy while he’s home alone… or a loaded weapon placed in front of a highly suicidal and depressed patient.
individuals in these scenarios are less likely to act out their expected, somatic responses had the said objects been absent from their direct visual field of attention.
throughout human civilizations, laws and regulations existed to contain those one percentile deviants who are more susceptible to certain forms of stimuli during critical times of vulnerability, and to prevent these members from harming themselves and possibly others… laws may deviate, depending on the context and societal makeup of that particular era.
@4tlulz, I agree completely.
Those soulless media fucks are hounding a town damaged by what has happened. Shit like this will ALWAYS happen, no matter WHAT the fuck we do to try and ban all of this. I apologize in advance, I’m from the area, my heart aches for this community. My heart aches for those children. My heart aches that idiots are using these deaths as a basis to support all their “mental illness, gun policy” political agenda. My heart aches that the media rats are hounding these people, these people who have lost their children, their loved ones, their life.
It breaks my heart that we are sitting here scheming ways to prevent things that we can never prevent.
Why hasn’t ANYONE suggested compiling a fund to send donations?
Why hasn’t ANYONE suggested reaching out to these people?
But instead we’re here arguing the prevention of this.
YOU CANNOT PREVENT THIS.
You can do WHATEVER you feel you need to do to prevent something as tragic as this, but the fact of the matter is, this. will. happen.
People will always get their hands on a weapon to kill.
People will go out to hurt others.
People thrive on this.
And here we are, not accepting this. Refusing to accept this truth. It’s a truth. It’s the world we live in.
And instead of sitting here arguing about it, there are more better things to do.
Like helping a community heal. Instead of using their deaths as a means to argue what is right and what is wrong.
That’s all I have to say on this.
Parenting. We should start off by parenting our kids to the right direction. Making sure your kids don’t fall into that path. I say give them the attention and time of day feeling wanted.
In all i guarantee you the shooter did not recieve that being an adoloescent.
When a country is in harmony with the Tao,
the factories make trucks and tractors.
When a country goes counter to the Tao,
warheads are stockpiled outside the cities. There is no greater illusion than fear, no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy. Whoever can see through all fear will always be safe.
This kind of evil will always exist. Fighting it is not the answer. Understanding it is the path to the answer. But as for the answer itself? I don’t know…
@stryder, I think you could look at many other factors in those countries besides gun control that determines this…
I have a ton of illegal stuff in my house, cause I wanted it. If there is a will, there is a way… Making guns illegal would just drive people who want guns into a dark hole of society, surrounded by more sketchy people, not doing much for the whole scenario.
I’m all for it, but its not the root of the issue, here.
@stryder, I know you are smarter then to ask whether kids who dont know right from wrong should be allowed to have guns. There is an 18+ age limit for a reason, because we have learned that anyone under hasnt yet learned how to make educated decisions. But if you ask me if schools should have guns in storage somewhere, why not. Most sociopath are weak pathetic little bitches who look for easy targets. If they learned that schools now have guns, they wouldnt dare go near them.
I can’t believe the amount of you saying that gun control won’t help. You’re blind to the fact that all these guns out there, especially the ones that you use to “protect” yourselves, is ingraining in your society an idea of conflict from the very beginning. “Guns, guns, guns, we need more guns because of all the maniacs out there.” You’re shooting yourselves in the foot (pardon the pun) in creating a society that doesn’t trust anyone. I know from behaviour like this it does help the argument of not trusting anyone, but having guns available like this also promotes a very reactive action, ie. going out and shooting all these kids. Have them significantly harder to get and it gives the person more time to be cured, more time to re-think things, and most importantly, more time for these kids to grow up. I’m not saying it will definitely stop people like this guy, but it will help.
You guys are lying to yourselves if you think gun control won’t help, or it will push the problem elsewhere. Gun control is like putting a band aid on the wound whilst it heals. Fast action, whilst we heal society with love.
“No amount of “education” would change what he did.”
This is true. But then, people only learn by example, so on the off chance that he didn’t blow his brains out after his day out, the only way to actually help him and other people like him is by demonstrating a bit of humanity. Calling him a maniac is like jerking an anti social nut bar off.
Heal the nut bars of tomorrow, forgive the nutbars of yesteryear!
@stryder, Yea n like the war on drugs has rid this country of addiction. NO FUCKING WAY…I agree 100% with @ijesuschrist because there is not just one thing that will solve this. The problem is everywhere, and it all starts with education. Teachers suck, our education system is regulated by our dumb ass government that decides what these kids learn and truthfully most teachers dont give a shit for too many reasons. There needs to be an entire reform of society as a whole. Fuck that guy and anyone else looking to take a life.
I am sorry but I can’t really see the reasoning. If you can supposedly kill anyone in anyway if you wanted to just as easily with guns, than why have guns anyway? Can’t you just poison/set on fire/stab whoever you want to protect yourself from? Which would be easier?