Shooting Again! 27 Dead! Again? Is this becoming a weekly event?
Again? This is becoming a weekly event?
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Reactive solution: Gun control
Proactive solution: Be better people overall. If the universe gave him love instead of hate, he may have never needed a gun. ( seems silly, idealist, and improbable, but what happens if this works JUST ONE?)
@theskafish, I don’t believe competition in our society is the cause of mass murderers like this. We’ve had competition since the beginning of our nation and there haven’t been so many shootings until recently. Maybe it IS our culture, accepting so much violence and gore in movies and TV. 50 years ago none of this violent crap was shown on TV. And now it’s just accepted as normal in our media. Flip on the news, I guarantee you’ll see something several times a week about a murder, shooting, violent robbery, etc.. Look at the movies that are out right now. How many of them contain consistent violence? It’s gotten so bad that it’s now more acceptable in our society for children to see this kind of stuff than sex. If movies/TV shows/video games have a lot of violence, PG13. As soon as there is any kind of nudity/sex, R. Is harming other people more acceptable than loving other people or just the human body? Why is violence considered so normal for kids to be watching? Maybe that’s part of the problem.
Treating this problem with gun control laws is like going to the doctors office, and is reductionist logic;
A severe underlying problem is treated only by covering the symptoms (gun control), rather than the root of the problem (mental health issues).
Sure gun control would help, but it won’t cure the sickness.
I think the only way for us to really fight this is by moving on. By showing that this even didn’t leave a lasting impact on society, which was most likely the goal of the shooter, it may discourage others from trying things like this
@oaoaow, Switzerland has no gun control, and anyone can have an automatic weapon – look at their massacre rate, nill.
China, on the other hand, has the strictest gun control on earth – no private gun ownership at all. Look at their massacre history – 7 or 8 in the past year alone, equivalent to our own.
To me it looks like gun control really isn’t strongly correlated to massacre rates.
There are better correlations out there.
First off, does anyone know the reason why this happened yet?
Secondly, I agree with all those who say tighter gun control won’t solve the problem. All it will do is make it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns, people who are hell-bent on doing this kind of stuff, or gangsters, or any sort of bad guy can and will find other ways of getting guns no matter how tight the laws are or how expensive society makes it to own guns in the form of licenses. Or, would-be killers will just kill with something else, like another poster said with the knife attacks in China. Taking away the right to have guns and other weapons will only help create more victims.
Also, does anyone think the reason for all these shootings is the culture we live in? No, I don’t mean movies and video games, I mean our dog-eat-dog, war-by-all-against-all hypercompetitive society where everybody seems to be running around trying to fuck each other out of their last penny, then shirts off each others’ backs, and finally pushing you out into the street naked left to freeze and starve. Our society of hypercompetition and an increasing lack in empathy, I feel, is creating a situation where lots and lots of people are building up accounts of pent-up rage…..maybe this guy had other problems in his life, maybe society made him feel powerless, but you can’t go around shooting CEOs, politicians, and cops, and expect to get far. So perhaps, in a sick way, he looked for someone to take his frustrations out on, someone who would be powerless against him.
I’m in no way trying to justify this awful thing that happened. But clearly our country has a mental health/anger issue that’s been getting worse and worse, faster and faster. Perhaps there’s a correlation between attacks like this and our increasing lack of empathy.
it’s time we get serious about changing; not only gun regulations, but mental health treatment, and our understanding of evil in the world.
On guns: we need o ban assault weapons NOW. I wish we could use the figures in popular consciousness, like Batman, to motivate change.
Next we need to examine insanity in our world & society, as well as evil. We need to be able to not blame all insanity, and use mental illness as a scape goat for human evil. By doing that we reinforce the false notion that all insanity leads to sociopathy. A person who hears voices, or is bipolar, is not devoid of reason, rationale, or empathy.
Joker and Carnage do exist in the world. We must learn how to identify them, and not confuse the Venom’s of the world as one of them.
@ijesuschrist, how can you seriously believe that ? the primary objective of guns is to kill. Although alcohol can cause deaths, killing is not the primary reason for its existence.
Well anyway, as statistics clearly show, there are less massacres in western europe, where guns are prohibited, than in the US… So good luck with supporting such an argument.
@heavydreamz, So you’re all waiting for an uprising against the government. Okay. Whatever reason you find the extreme availability of guns okay, then fine, use that reason. I, personally am sure that guns instinctively create a mindset of fear and/or power in the beholder. And personally, I don’t think either one of those mindsets are good. I do believe in a free society and availability of all things (drugs, information, etc.) but society isn’t ready for that. And this is shows us why. Put a band aid on your society for gods sake.
OK, I agree that gun control would take away easy access. AND if someone did have a random urge to shoot some people it would make it a lot harder. BUT honestly if someone has the urge then can you say they are sane?
If someone doesn’t satisfy that urge then it will build and eventually they will snap and get a fucking gun somehow or take people out the old fashioned way, or make a bomb. Now, if guns are restricted and someone does get the urge to kill boatloads of people then how are those people supposed to defend themselves? With their fucking xbox controller?
This is an opinion but, No one goes out, buys a gun for protection, locks it away, and then loses their fucking mind and gets a random itch to see bloodshed! NO! Those people will get guns, they will get weapons, they will satisfy their thirst. Gun control is honestly about taking away peoples ability to defend themselves. Now they have to rely on cops and military.
OR maybe if we got rid of guns then people would focus more on healing these sick people instead of saying, “fuck em, if he comes after me ill just shoot the fuck.”
Those who own guns legally are not the problem. Those who own guns illegally are the problem.
Any gun-control laws that are enacted will take away the responsible person’s right to protection. The criminals (who don’t abide by laws anyways [hence why they are criminals]) will continue to obtain their weaponry how they always have: under-the-counter and under-the-radar.
@theskafish yeah i agree it isnt about the guns, its about focusing on preemptive measures and trying to help these people that feel so alone and outcasted.
@jshmedler for the record i wouldnt label anyone a psycho until after they did something like this. its this action that makes them that way in my eyes.
@vespertine i think youre overlooking other factors. sure you may not have citizen access to guns, but how happy is your country as a whole? In america we have poison for food, massive debt, depression, diabetes and obesity are rampant, cancer, heart attacks, infant mortality. All these things and more are at a high in our country. we are addicts of our own minds. things are bad here because people think they are and people think things are bad here because they are. too many people focus on truly dumb shit, debates like gay marriage, abortion, race, food, drugs, politics in general are not about the true issues. so when someone snaps its not because there was a gun there.
@aworthlessgoat, “OR maybe if we got rid of guns then people would focus more on healing these sick people instead of saying, “fuck em, if he comes after me ill just shoot the fuck.””
The trouble is, when someone is going on a rampage like what happened today, there isn’t time to focus on healing them and they’re not in a mood to listen, either. If you tried to walk up and talk sense into a raging person like that, all you’d probably succeed in doing is getting shot yourself.
I’d say the best thing we can do is preemptive measures….try to not create an environment where someone gets so angry/unstable that they want to kill people. After it happens, it’s kind of too late to forgive them because they’ve caused so much permanent pain.
If you want to make a mess, you look for the most fragile place to do it – school, hospital, public transport etc.
More gun control won’t work – more guns will work. Hard boil the softies. No one wants to risk their blaze of glory if Miss Perkins has a .45 magnum stashed in her desk and knows how to head-shot. It’s just embarrassing to charge in to a kindergarten school packing an uzi and get dropped before you can take out a 4 year old in the sand box.
Arm the masses, fight the soccerpaths!
Dunno if I’m entirely serious. Could be.
“Do people seriously think gun control will change NOTHING? Of course it doesn’t help the core of the problem, but right now EVERYONE can in the US can easily do what this guy has done if they were crazy enough to do it. You have a gun, therefore, you could decide to shoot someone (or several people).”
I realise that shooting a kid is dramatic, but what if someone decided it was too much hassle to get hold of guns and just poisoned their cafeteria with strychnine instead? Limiting a persons options only encourages creativity.
Maybe it’s a macho thing though. Feeling bad ass, like dirty harry, chasing a toddler round the playground. People’s heads, eh?
@aworthlessgoat, yea i know. i was just trying to put emphasis on him being just a normal person. when people say “psychopath” it turns them into this monster being like the joker that we cannot relate with because we dont know anyone who is that fucked up in the head, like they are their own breed of person or something. i dont think that they are their own breed. this coulda been anybody. what if this was your little brother?? im sure the lanza family didnt think that he would of done something like this. there were no signs of the kid being disturbed. none at all. the only reports from family and friends was that he was a nerd, and kinda a recluse. perfect mixture for a kid to get tortured by bullies. THIS COULDA BEEN ANYBODY!! we all need to be nicer to everybody. thats the ONE AND ONLY way to fix this problem of kids killing kids. not gun control, not psych wards, but love towards your common stranger
Skipping past the shock of it all for the sake of time, what can really be done?
I have already read over a lot of information about the shooting thus far, including the fact that the attacker had 5 guns and an armor vest on, from what I understand.
The question in these times is simply this: what can be done? Would gun control fix it? highly unlikely, since it’s usually the case that people capable of doing something like this have sociopathic tendencies that would allow them to get the equipment anyway. And even if gun control was super strict, there are still several other options available to perform attacks that have very little regulation.
What can be done? It’s not as if we can really do much to stop them if we cannot detect them. This type of thing is part of the reason why psychology has always been at the forefront of my interests…understanding the ins and outs of the brain is the only thing that can really solve issues like these, and as of yet the treatments that are available are usually only an option to those showing obvious symptoms and who also have people available to care for them. The state of our mental healthcare is poor, but this is due in large part to a lack of real understanding.
It’s horrible to say the least, but until enough progress is made in the field…it seems our hands are forcefully tied.
when a neglected individual reaches the peak of suffering and does something unacceptable, everyone is mimicking some kind of pathetic indignation and making loud throat noises but when governments kill millions then everyone ignores it or tries to justify it, but it`s ok so long as the tv doesn`t make us feel guilty.
What they are telling you is that you should be afraid of everyone and should trade your freedom and soul for the illusion of safety that the machine is prepared, in all its generosity, to offer.