Shooting Again! 27 Dead! Again? Is this becoming a weekly event?
Again? This is becoming a weekly event?
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@theskafish yeah i agree it isnt about the guns, its about focusing on preemptive measures and trying to help these people that feel so alone and outcasted.
@jshmedler for the record i wouldnt label anyone a psycho until after they did something like this. its this action that makes them that way in my eyes.
@vespertine i think youre overlooking other factors. sure you may not have citizen access to guns, but how happy is your country as a whole? In america we have poison for food, massive debt, depression, diabetes and obesity are rampant, cancer, heart attacks, infant mortality. All these things and more are at a high in our country. we are addicts of our own minds. things are bad here because people think they are and people think things are bad here because they are. too many people focus on truly dumb shit, debates like gay marriage, abortion, race, food, drugs, politics in general are not about the true issues. so when someone snaps its not because there was a gun there.
I am sorry but I can’t really see the reasoning. If you can supposedly kill anyone in anyway if you wanted to just as easily with guns, than why have guns anyway? Can’t you just poison/set on fire/stab whoever you want to protect yourself from? Which would be easier?
If you want to make a mess, you look for the most fragile place to do it – school, hospital, public transport etc.
More gun control won’t work – more guns will work. Hard boil the softies. No one wants to risk their blaze of glory if Miss Perkins has a .45 magnum stashed in her desk and knows how to head-shot. It’s just embarrassing to charge in to a kindergarten school packing an uzi and get dropped before you can take out a 4 year old in the sand box.
Arm the masses, fight the soccerpaths!
Dunno if I’m entirely serious. Could be.
@aworthlessgoat, “OR maybe if we got rid of guns then people would focus more on healing these sick people instead of saying, “fuck em, if he comes after me ill just shoot the fuck.””
The trouble is, when someone is going on a rampage like what happened today, there isn’t time to focus on healing them and they’re not in a mood to listen, either. If you tried to walk up and talk sense into a raging person like that, all you’d probably succeed in doing is getting shot yourself.
I’d say the best thing we can do is preemptive measures….try to not create an environment where someone gets so angry/unstable that they want to kill people. After it happens, it’s kind of too late to forgive them because they’ve caused so much permanent pain.
Skipping past the shock of it all for the sake of time, what can really be done?
I have already read over a lot of information about the shooting thus far, including the fact that the attacker had 5 guns and an armor vest on, from what I understand.
The question in these times is simply this: what can be done? Would gun control fix it? highly unlikely, since it’s usually the case that people capable of doing something like this have sociopathic tendencies that would allow them to get the equipment anyway. And even if gun control was super strict, there are still several other options available to perform attacks that have very little regulation.
What can be done? It’s not as if we can really do much to stop them if we cannot detect them. This type of thing is part of the reason why psychology has always been at the forefront of my interests…understanding the ins and outs of the brain is the only thing that can really solve issues like these, and as of yet the treatments that are available are usually only an option to those showing obvious symptoms and who also have people available to care for them. The state of our mental healthcare is poor, but this is due in large part to a lack of real understanding.
It’s horrible to say the least, but until enough progress is made in the field…it seems our hands are forcefully tied.
“Do people seriously think gun control will change NOTHING? Of course it doesn’t help the core of the problem, but right now EVERYONE can in the US can easily do what this guy has done if they were crazy enough to do it. You have a gun, therefore, you could decide to shoot someone (or several people).”
I realise that shooting a kid is dramatic, but what if someone decided it was too much hassle to get hold of guns and just poisoned their cafeteria with strychnine instead? Limiting a persons options only encourages creativity.
Maybe it’s a macho thing though. Feeling bad ass, like dirty harry, chasing a toddler round the playground. People’s heads, eh?
@aworthlessgoat, yea i know. i was just trying to put emphasis on him being just a normal person. when people say “psychopath” it turns them into this monster being like the joker that we cannot relate with because we dont know anyone who is that fucked up in the head, like they are their own breed of person or something. i dont think that they are their own breed. this coulda been anybody. what if this was your little brother?? im sure the lanza family didnt think that he would of done something like this. there were no signs of the kid being disturbed. none at all. the only reports from family and friends was that he was a nerd, and kinda a recluse. perfect mixture for a kid to get tortured by bullies. THIS COULDA BEEN ANYBODY!! we all need to be nicer to everybody. thats the ONE AND ONLY way to fix this problem of kids killing kids. not gun control, not psych wards, but love towards your common stranger
When a country is in harmony with the Tao,
the factories make trucks and tractors.
When a country goes counter to the Tao,
warheads are stockpiled outside the cities. There is no greater illusion than fear, no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy. Whoever can see through all fear will always be safe.
This kind of evil will always exist. Fighting it is not the answer. Understanding it is the path to the answer. But as for the answer itself? I don’t know…
when a neglected individual reaches the peak of suffering and does something unacceptable, everyone is mimicking some kind of pathetic indignation and making loud throat noises but when governments kill millions then everyone ignores it or tries to justify it, but it`s ok so long as the tv doesn`t make us feel guilty.
What they are telling you is that you should be afraid of everyone and should trade your freedom and soul for the illusion of safety that the machine is prepared, in all its generosity, to offer.
Fuck That! this is uuuuhmerica!!
I come from a town where everyone and their cousin has guns, and i dont know a single person who owns a firearm for protection. but what about us folk who just like to hunt and shoot shit because its fun?? ever done it?? its fucking EXXXHILARATING. and all that monstrous power of a shot gun kicking into your shoulder with that loud thunderous boom… and watching something get fucked up by the aftermath.. its one of the most badass feelings you can experience, and all that power that you just witnessed gets incorporated into your self to where YOU are the all powerful being. It’s a mind trip.
SO WHEN THIS KID GOES OUT AND DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS: hes just screaming for attention. He wasn’t a psychopath… he wasn’t crazy.. he was just a very confused child who started playing games in his head at an early age, because he was a nomad cast alone in a sea full of barking seals. ITS YOU PEOPLE!!! you people who dub him the title of psychopath and a crazy which made him turn into the crazy psychopath!! People who see someone who is a litttttle bit different then normal, and treat him like hes an animal instead of a human who actually has feeling and emotions, which brings out the fucking animal in him! you guys create these titles for people to fulfill. and now look!! he gets what he wanted as everyone across the nation is facebooking their remorse and talking about him, talking about him… talking about him! and embedding him into american history as the deranged mental psycho who killed a bunch of children because it got his dick hard one last time before he offed himself!!!
all because somewhere along the way, there was a happiness guzzler, a being who fuels themselves from the sorrow of others, that made him feel like he was different, which led to pathetic, which led to worthless, which led to deranged. it could happen to anybody. anybody who doesnt feel enough love in his or her life to lubricate their mental health. if this kid had had the adequate help of someone who actually gave a fuck, this wouldnt have happened. but then again.. instinct is a very hard subject to compare amongst the norm of things, and there is always the lion who will eat his own cub
i dont understand it either, and noone will or can to know why he had to take those children down with him… its a very very sad fuckin thing that i know made every single one of us cringe in rage when we heard. but thats how he fealt he needed to express himself. thats such a bad thing to say that we need guns to protect us from the nutjobs who have guns. i hardly doubt that anyone who owns a hunting rifle will ever use it against another human being in order to protect themselves.
theres no way in hell you can pin point this on the weapon used. like some have mentioned, he would of figured out some other horrible way to go postal if he couldnt obtain a gun. stricter gun control, yeah sure maybe it will help, but its already pretty strict. you cant just test someone for murderous intentions. but it would also cause problems with the common american’s ego and might cause quite the up roar.
what we really need to do is just love. love love love love love. treat every stranger as if they’re your best friend, cuz you never know when just a simple friendly smile could save a life or few. i talk shit on people, i hate on people, i get jealous of people.. but i promise i will try sooo much harder now to just be humble and loving and not let stupid shit predicament my opinions of others. we have all been that little kid who got his feel goods hurt by someone else when we were younger. and that shit sucks. noone likes to see a sad child. shit makes you wanna cry. but we ALL still have that little kid inside of us who gets his feelings hurt by things, but wouldnt it be soo much easier if the world was just nice to us all the time just because being nice was the nice thing to do?
we are the world, we are the future, we are the ones who make a brighter day so lets start giving.. or somethin like that
@gtur13, like @lytning91 said, it’s tragic that someone would do something like this, but there’s really nothing we can do to stop it. Prohibition of anything, including guns, would not solve anything. We don’t really know WHY these people blow up like this, being suicidal is one thing, but wanting to take 18 children with you is a whole other ball game. Hopefully psychology makes some improvements in the future but as of right now there’s nothing we can do but pray that it doesn’t happen again.
Reactive solution: Gun control
Proactive solution: Be better people overall. If the universe gave him love instead of hate, he may have never needed a gun. ( seems silly, idealist, and improbable, but what happens if this works JUST ONE?)
guns are allowed on campus at my university. the school has a problem trying to hire some professors because they are scarred of this. How many shootings have happened there?! ZERO. i know your not from america so you might not know too much history but there was a shooting at Virginia Tech a couple years ago, a campus that has what they call “the safe zone” (look it up) because guns are not allowed on that campus. if some idiot tried to get all gansta up this bitch, someone with a concealed weapons permit would pop the son of a bitch before he killed too many people. and they know this. there are waaaaaay tooo many mother fuckers walkin around this place with a gun at their hip, and thats what makes me feel safe. sure its weird when you see a gun strapped to someone IN YOUR CLASSROOM, but i trust them because they have been trained in gun safety and handling and they know what they are doing. its easy as fuck for adolescents to obtain alcohol, and same with disturbed people and murder weapons, no mattter where you are or your policies on them. BUUUUUUUUT, i just think americans are fucked in the head because we have the UUUUHMERICAN DREAM! its misguiding and our whole country is out of whack.
@stryder, I think you could look at many other factors in those countries besides gun control that determines this…
I have a ton of illegal stuff in my house, cause I wanted it. If there is a will, there is a way… Making guns illegal would just drive people who want guns into a dark hole of society, surrounded by more sketchy people, not doing much for the whole scenario.
I’m all for it, but its not the root of the issue, here.
If I were to take a random guess, I’d say that old Uncle Sam is up to no good again. What’s the best way to get a nation to put down their arms? Make them think that their guns are bad, then they’ll want to institute news laws that take the guns away. Defenseless nation. Kinda like reverse psychology.
i thought this was very interesting.
@stryder, I know you are smarter then to ask whether kids who dont know right from wrong should be allowed to have guns. There is an 18+ age limit for a reason, because we have learned that anyone under hasnt yet learned how to make educated decisions. But if you ask me if schools should have guns in storage somewhere, why not. Most sociopath are weak pathetic little bitches who look for easy targets. If they learned that schools now have guns, they wouldnt dare go near them.
@theskafish, I don’t believe competition in our society is the cause of mass murderers like this. We’ve had competition since the beginning of our nation and there haven’t been so many shootings until recently. Maybe it IS our culture, accepting so much violence and gore in movies and TV. 50 years ago none of this violent crap was shown on TV. And now it’s just accepted as normal in our media. Flip on the news, I guarantee you’ll see something several times a week about a murder, shooting, violent robbery, etc.. Look at the movies that are out right now. How many of them contain consistent violence? It’s gotten so bad that it’s now more acceptable in our society for children to see this kind of stuff than sex. If movies/TV shows/video games have a lot of violence, PG13. As soon as there is any kind of nudity/sex, R. Is harming other people more acceptable than loving other people or just the human body? Why is violence considered so normal for kids to be watching? Maybe that’s part of the problem.
Treating this problem with gun control laws is like going to the doctors office, and is reductionist logic;
A severe underlying problem is treated only by covering the symptoms (gun control), rather than the root of the problem (mental health issues).
Sure gun control would help, but it won’t cure the sickness.
Yeah definitely, love towards strangers and people you know alike. I guess you shouldn’t label people no matter what. We all have the capability to do psycho things and saintly things. We can change and heal or be broken at any moment. I guess if you do something psycho and then kill yourself then you’ll forever be a psycho since that was what you last were.