Shooting Again! 27 Dead! Again? Is this becoming a weekly event?

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)1 year, 10 months ago ago

First off, does anyone know the reason why this happened yet?

Secondly, I agree with all those who say tighter gun control won’t solve the problem. All it will do is make it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns, people who are hell-bent on doing this kind of stuff, or gangsters, or any sort of bad guy can and will find other ways of getting guns no matter how tight the laws are or how expensive society makes it to own guns in the form of licenses. Or, would-be killers will just kill with something else, like another poster said with the knife attacks in China. Taking away the right to have guns and other weapons will only help create more victims.

Also, does anyone think the reason for all these shootings is the culture we live in? No, I don’t mean movies and video games, I mean our dog-eat-dog, war-by-all-against-all hypercompetitive society where everybody seems to be running around trying to fuck each other out of their last penny, then shirts off each others’ backs, and finally pushing you out into the street naked left to freeze and starve. Our society of hypercompetition and an increasing lack in empathy, I feel, is creating a situation where lots and lots of people are building up accounts of pent-up rage…..maybe this guy had other problems in his life, maybe society made him feel powerless, but you can’t go around shooting CEOs, politicians, and cops, and expect to get far. So perhaps, in a sick way, he looked for someone to take his frustrations out on, someone who would be powerless against him.

I’m in no way trying to justify this awful thing that happened. But clearly our country has a mental health/anger issue that’s been getting worse and worse, faster and faster. Perhaps there’s a correlation between attacks like this and our increasing lack of empathy.

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Some_Ego-reinforcing_Label (@johnkorvac)1 year, 10 months ago ago

i support gun control because i realize the majority of humans behave like animals, creatures of stimulus and response… especially stimuli that are accessible to our immediate attention in an environment of little or no substitutes, during moments of impulse.

if a freshly baked, mouth-watery apple pie were placed in front of you, and you’re famished because you hadn’t eaten the whole day… chances are your stomach will growl, your saliva will increase, you’ll be inclined to taste it.

but if placed in front of you were bags of flour and sugar, raw eggs, a can of preserved apples, and baking utensils, it’s unlikely your body will respond in the same manner… and you’ll likely pass on the hassles of baking an entire apple pie from scratch.

same analogy can be given for placing a lighted cigarette in front of a chronic smoker under sobriety… a penthouse magazine in front of a testosterone-fueled adolescent boy while he’s home alone… or a loaded weapon placed in front of a highly suicidal and depressed patient.

individuals in these scenarios are less likely to act out their expected, somatic responses had the said objects been absent from their direct visual field of attention.

throughout human civilizations, laws and regulations existed to contain those one percentile deviants who are more susceptible to certain forms of stimuli during critical times of vulnerability, and to prevent these members from harming themselves and possibly others… laws may deviate, depending on the context and societal makeup of that particular era.

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apricelessgoat (@aworthlessgoat)1 year, 10 months ago ago

OK, I agree that gun control would take away easy access. AND if someone did have a random urge to shoot some people it would make it a lot harder. BUT honestly if someone has the urge then can you say they are sane?

If someone doesn’t satisfy that urge then it will build and eventually they will snap and get a fucking gun somehow or take people out the old fashioned way, or make a bomb. Now, if guns are restricted and someone does get the urge to kill boatloads of people then how are those people supposed to defend themselves? With their fucking xbox controller?

This is an opinion but, No one goes out, buys a gun for protection, locks it away, and then loses their fucking mind and gets a random itch to see bloodshed! NO! Those people will get guns, they will get weapons, they will satisfy their thirst. Gun control is honestly about taking away peoples ability to defend themselves. Now they have to rely on cops and military.

OR maybe if we got rid of guns then people would focus more on healing these sick people instead of saying, “fuck em, if he comes after me ill just shoot the fuck.”

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@aworthlessgoat, “OR maybe if we got rid of guns then people would focus more on healing these sick people instead of saying, “fuck em, if he comes after me ill just shoot the fuck.””

The trouble is, when someone is going on a rampage like what happened today, there isn’t time to focus on healing them and they’re not in a mood to listen, either. If you tried to walk up and talk sense into a raging person like that, all you’d probably succeed in doing is getting shot yourself.

I’d say the best thing we can do is preemptive measures….try to not create an environment where someone gets so angry/unstable that they want to kill people. After it happens, it’s kind of too late to forgive them because they’ve caused so much permanent pain.

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JASK (@jshmedler)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Fuck That! this is uuuuhmerica!!

I come from a town where everyone and their cousin has guns, and i dont know a single person who owns a firearm for protection. but what about us folk who just like to hunt and shoot shit because its fun?? ever done it?? its fucking EXXXHILARATING. and all that monstrous power of a shot gun kicking into your shoulder with that loud thunderous boom… and watching something get fucked up by the aftermath.. its one of the most badass feelings you can experience, and all that power that you just witnessed gets incorporated into your self to where YOU are the all powerful being. It’s a mind trip.

SO WHEN THIS KID GOES OUT AND DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS: hes just screaming for attention. He wasn’t a psychopath… he wasn’t crazy.. he was just a very confused child who started playing games in his head at an early age, because he was a nomad cast alone in a sea full of barking seals. ITS YOU PEOPLE!!! you people who dub him the title of psychopath and a crazy which made him turn into the crazy psychopath!! People who see someone who is a litttttle bit different then normal, and treat him like hes an animal instead of a human who actually has feeling and emotions, which brings out the fucking animal in him! you guys create these titles for people to fulfill. and now look!! he gets what he wanted as everyone across the nation is facebooking their remorse and talking about him, talking about him… talking about him! and embedding him into american history as the deranged mental psycho who killed a bunch of children because it got his dick hard one last time before he offed himself!!!

all because somewhere along the way, there was a happiness guzzler, a being who fuels themselves from the sorrow of others, that made him feel like he was different, which led to pathetic, which led to worthless, which led to deranged. it could happen to anybody. anybody who doesnt feel enough love in his or her life to lubricate their mental health. if this kid had had the adequate help of someone who actually gave a fuck, this wouldnt have happened. but then again.. instinct is a very hard subject to compare amongst the norm of things, and there is always the lion who will eat his own cub

i dont understand it either, and noone will or can to know why he had to take those children down with him… its a very very sad fuckin thing that i know made every single one of us cringe in rage when we heard. but thats how he fealt he needed to express himself. thats such a bad thing to say that we need guns to protect us from the nutjobs who have guns. i hardly doubt that anyone who owns a hunting rifle will ever use it against another human being in order to protect themselves.

theres no way in hell you can pin point this on the weapon used. like some have mentioned, he would of figured out some other horrible way to go postal if he couldnt obtain a gun. stricter gun control, yeah sure maybe it will help, but its already pretty strict. you cant just test someone for murderous intentions. but it would also cause problems with the common american’s ego and might cause quite the up roar.

what we really need to do is just love. love love love love love. treat every stranger as if they’re your best friend, cuz you never know when just a simple friendly smile could save a life or few. i talk shit on people, i hate on people, i get jealous of people.. but i promise i will try sooo much harder now to just be humble and loving and not let stupid shit predicament my opinions of others. we have all been that little kid who got his feel goods hurt by someone else when we were younger. and that shit sucks. noone likes to see a sad child. shit makes you wanna cry. but we ALL still have that little kid inside of us who gets his feelings hurt by things, but wouldnt it be soo much easier if the world was just nice to us all the time just because being nice was the nice thing to do?

we are the world, we are the future, we are the ones who make a brighter day so lets start giving.. or somethin like that

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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@theskafish, I don’t believe competition in our society is the cause of mass murderers like this. We’ve had competition since the beginning of our nation and there haven’t been so many shootings until recently. Maybe it IS our culture, accepting so much violence and gore in movies and TV. 50 years ago none of this violent crap was shown on TV. And now it’s just accepted as normal in our media. Flip on the news, I guarantee you’ll see something several times a week about a murder, shooting, violent robbery, etc.. Look at the movies that are out right now. How many of them contain consistent violence? It’s gotten so bad that it’s now more acceptable in our society for children to see this kind of stuff than sex. If movies/TV shows/video games have a lot of violence, PG13. As soon as there is any kind of nudity/sex, R. Is harming other people more acceptable than loving other people or just the human body? Why is violence considered so normal for kids to be watching? Maybe that’s part of the problem.

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Nikki (@vespertine)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Really people, it’s not like that! I come from a country where guns are illegal. It makes me feel safe. Do you think people are making bombs themselves all the time here and throwing them around? No!
Sure, once in a while gun shootings happen, but those are mainly in some gangster scene. I cannot remember the last time I heard on the news some depressed kid decided to make his own bomb and throw it in a school and kill 28 people. It’s exactly what @johnkorvac says, if you feel like eating pie, it makes a difference whether there’s one right in front of you, or if you just have the ingredients. It’s basic psychology.

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Tom (@4tlulz)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Start by banning ‘exciting’ media coverage of such events to lessen the impact of the copy cat effect.

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CaoimheS (@caoimhesweeney)1 year, 10 months ago ago

People, seriously? Gun control won’t do anything? Like @vespertine, I come from a country where guns are illegal… how often do you think something like this happens? I tell you, only during the Troubles in The North… when guns were easily found. Heck, even the police don’t carry guns here!

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Ireland/United-States/Crime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Have a look at these two links. The second I find particularly interesting. If you go to list of countries, and after you get through the African and undeveloped countries of the world, you get to America for the highest rates of homicide. Lets look at the lowest rates, shall we? Japan… gun laws. Palau… gun laws. Singapore… gun laws. Iceland… gun laws!
Don’t tell me it will make the innocent more at risk.
Yes, it’s the person who wields the gun at fault but guns are made to kill. They should not exist, never mind be legal. Better research should go into psychology and helping people who have murderous tendencies. It’s obvious they are not right in the mind yet what do you do to stop them? Give everyone else a gun and throw the murders in jail if you catch them! I’m sorry but to me, that doesn’t make a huge amount of sense… Solving the symptoms of a problem rather than the cause.

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NickStngl (@nickstengl)1 year, 10 months ago ago

on average there are 2 shootings after a highly publicized shooting (like the one in Oregon )

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Marie (@ARCANUS)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Speaking as a non-American, from the outside America seems to be walking on needles (I can’t say this goes for all of America, cause I’m not aware of the exact laws in each state). I think the cause should be emphasized more than the effect; why do people own guns? Why do they use them?

As Alan Watts said, if you’re constantly alert you’ll be ready to attack anyone who comes near. I think something that needs to change, is the notion that the danger lies outside oneself. We need to empower the individual to know that it can make a difference, in a positive way.

When it comes to psychopaths, on the other hand, I am clueless as to what to do.

Violence is blind. You don’t need an intention to kill someone, you just do it as a reflex I guess.

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Oscar (@oaoaow)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, how can you seriously believe that ? the primary objective of guns is to kill. Although alcohol can cause deaths, killing is not the primary reason for its existence.

Well anyway, as statistics clearly show, there are less massacres in western europe, where guns are prohibited, than in the US… So good luck with supporting such an argument.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@4tlulz, I agree completely.
Com-fucking-pletely.

Those soulless media fucks are hounding a town damaged by what has happened. Shit like this will ALWAYS happen, no matter WHAT the fuck we do to try and ban all of this. I apologize in advance, I’m from the area, my heart aches for this community. My heart aches for those children. My heart aches that idiots are using these deaths as a basis to support all their “mental illness, gun policy” political agenda. My heart aches that the media rats are hounding these people, these people who have lost their children, their loved ones, their life.

It breaks my heart that we are sitting here scheming ways to prevent things that we can never prevent.

Why hasn’t ANYONE suggested compiling a fund to send donations?

Why hasn’t ANYONE suggested reaching out to these people?

But instead we’re here arguing the prevention of this.

YOU CANNOT PREVENT THIS.

You can do WHATEVER you feel you need to do to prevent something as tragic as this, but the fact of the matter is, this. will. happen.

People will always get their hands on a weapon to kill.

People will go out to hurt others.

People thrive on this.

And here we are, not accepting this. Refusing to accept this truth. It’s a truth. It’s the world we live in.

And instead of sitting here arguing about it, there are more better things to do.

Like helping a community heal. Instead of using their deaths as a means to argue what is right and what is wrong.

That’s all I have to say on this.

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apricelessgoat (@aworthlessgoat)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@theskafish yeah i agree it isnt about the guns, its about focusing on preemptive measures and trying to help these people that feel so alone and outcasted.

@jshmedler for the record i wouldnt label anyone a psycho until after they did something like this. its this action that makes them that way in my eyes.

@vespertine i think youre overlooking other factors. sure you may not have citizen access to guns, but how happy is your country as a whole? In america we have poison for food, massive debt, depression, diabetes and obesity are rampant, cancer, heart attacks, infant mortality. All these things and more are at a high in our country. we are addicts of our own minds. things are bad here because people think they are and people think things are bad here because they are. too many people focus on truly dumb shit, debates like gay marriage, abortion, race, food, drugs, politics in general are not about the true issues. so when someone snaps its not because there was a gun there.

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JASK (@jshmedler)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@aworthlessgoat, yea i know. i was just trying to put emphasis on him being just a normal person. when people say “psychopath” it turns them into this monster being like the joker that we cannot relate with because we dont know anyone who is that fucked up in the head, like they are their own breed of person or something. i dont think that they are their own breed. this coulda been anybody. what if this was your little brother?? im sure the lanza family didnt think that he would of done something like this. there were no signs of the kid being disturbed. none at all. the only reports from family and friends was that he was a nerd, and kinda a recluse. perfect mixture for a kid to get tortured by bullies. THIS COULDA BEEN ANYBODY!! we all need to be nicer to everybody. thats the ONE AND ONLY way to fix this problem of kids killing kids. not gun control, not psych wards, but love towards your common stranger

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JASK (@jshmedler)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@vespertine,

guns are allowed on campus at my university. the school has a problem trying to hire some professors because they are scarred of this. How many shootings have happened there?! ZERO. i know your not from america so you might not know too much history but there was a shooting at Virginia Tech a couple years ago, a campus that has what they call “the safe zone” (look it up) because guns are not allowed on that campus. if some idiot tried to get all gansta up this bitch, someone with a concealed weapons permit would pop the son of a bitch before he killed too many people. and they know this. there are waaaaaay tooo many mother fuckers walkin around this place with a gun at their hip, and thats what makes me feel safe. sure its weird when you see a gun strapped to someone IN YOUR CLASSROOM, but i trust them because they have been trained in gun safety and handling and they know what they are doing. its easy as fuck for adolescents to obtain alcohol, and same with disturbed people and murder weapons, no mattter where you are or your policies on them. BUUUUUUUUT, i just think americans are fucked in the head because we have the UUUUHMERICAN DREAM! its misguiding and our whole country is out of whack.

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apricelessgoat (@aworthlessgoat)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@jshmedler,
Yeah definitely, love towards strangers and people you know alike. I guess you shouldn’t label people no matter what. We all have the capability to do psycho things and saintly things. We can change and heal or be broken at any moment. I guess if you do something psycho and then kill yourself then you’ll forever be a psycho since that was what you last were.

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Some_Ego-reinforcing_Label (@johnkorvac)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Sure, a school massacre with swords, ax, bow & arrows is still possible with a group of highly trained professionals… but the proficiency of kills wielding these rudimentary weapons by an angry teenager who plays War of Warcraft everyday in his mother’s basement would most likely be minimized…

as compared to one of the semi-automatics used by 20-year old Adam Lanza:

http://www.atangledweb.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/A-GJSUFCUAANr51.jpg-large.jpeg

Coincidentally on Friday, a man in Henan, China went on a stabbing-spree at a local elementary school… wounding 22 school children… yet zero fatalities.

parents of these Chinese kids can still watch them grow up.

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Nate O’Neill (@nateoneill)1 year, 10 months ago ago

What’s shocking to me is that guns and ammunition are so readily accessible in the US. I understand that people have the right to bear arms, but we are seriously allowed to hand a high caliber rifle to a person with no license or mental health clearing?

If only mental health services were as easy to access as firearms.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@oaoaow, Switzerland has no gun control, and anyone can have an automatic weapon – look at their massacre rate, nill.

China, on the other hand, has the strictest gun control on earth – no private gun ownership at all. Look at their massacre history – 7 or 8 in the past year alone, equivalent to our own.

To me it looks like gun control really isn’t strongly correlated to massacre rates.

There are better correlations out there.

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Brittany (@genesis0318)1 year, 10 months ago ago

I hear a lot of arguing back and forth about gun control, and how there should be preventative mental health measures taken, but no solid SOLUTIONS that we as a people need to demand be put into place in order to really try and prevent horrors like this from happening. What SPECIFICALLY can we try to do as people, through legislation, (or otherwise) to help minimize the outbreak of these occurrences? I believe that everything starts with our youth, so my thoughts are this:

1- Schools should institute classes that ALL students must attend regarding bullying and it’s potential to ruin lives and lead to violence, and have strict policies for teachers & students that are caught bullying others.

2- What about mental health screenings? They measure our IQ’s and intelligence in our schools on an almost daily basis, why not have once yearly mental health screenings so that professionals can flag and possibly help prevent these horrors by making mental health accessible to those students who potentially need the help. This could help to change the entire future of this country if it was instituted nationwide, it’s not an immediate solution, but over time, it could work…

3. We are in the middle of a jobs crisis and one of the major professions that have been targeted with budget cuts is our police force. What about having at least one or two police officers at schools at ALL times for the protection of everyone inside?

Just some thoughts…. what do you guys think? Are these too invasive of our privacy. The only way anything will change is we can get a large group of people to demand changes that can make a difference.

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One Lovely (@onelovely)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@stryder, I was asking myself this very thing.
Yes I worry about the world, but America I’ve lost a lot of hope for.

I cannot really think about the tragedy, because violence of this nature really is incomprehensible to me.
What’s worse is my lack of surprise.

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Zocrates (@efren)1 year, 10 months ago ago

It all begins at home..

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CaoimheS (@caoimhesweeney)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@efren, It may, or it may not. Other factors including school, peers and so on can have an incredibly strong influence on children

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 10 months ago ago

“First off, does anyone know the reason why this happened yet?”

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