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Johannes Davidsson (@daokedao)    2 years, 2 months ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/teen-pot-use-iq_n_1834392.html

I read this piece of news this morning.
You potheads (pronounce like Homer Simpson) might find this interesting.

1 votes, posted 08.27.2012 at 10:56 pm
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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Can someone actually find the legitimate study because I tried and had no luck. I glanced over the paper and I’m not really enthralled, so I’d like the legitimate details.

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Frederik (@justgoing)2 years, 2 months ago ago

I wouldn’t rely on “legitimate studies” because these studies are done by people who rarely had drug experiences themselves.

Anyway, does it matter? Would a “loss of IQ” be a valid reason for potheads to quit smoking? I don’t think so.

I’ve been smoking pot for 7 years and I think it has not affected my IQ. But how could I know? Without a parallel universum where I meet and greet my alter ego and get us both examined I can hardly tell whether I’m more stupid because I smoked pot.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@justgoing, I’ll respond only to say that legitimate studies are attempting to work with legitimate data and perceivable effects. I want to see just how much was put into these findings and whether or not the results are able to be duplicated.

It doesn’t really matter whether the people testing others have experience or not when the measure is an observable quotient. V + IV = Conclusion

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Jeremy (@chadvice)2 years, 2 months ago ago

admittedly not diving deep into this last link posted, can we clarify a bit and say that “loss of IQ” is a relative measurement (sllliiightly unreliable?) and wouldn’t some of the sociological patterns (who you smoke/hang out with) and life style changes (more couch sitting and less riding ones bike to the beach) would play a large role on the individuals ability to portray a higher IQ?

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Dan (@danfontaine)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Indeed. But it isn’t for IQ’s sake. It’s for the sake of rationality. A young person’s mind is rarely sceptical enough to differ revelation from delusion.
Marijuana usage yields no permanent brain damage, only the potential for damage to the perception. However, continued marijuana use definitely lowers brain activity, as with any drug.

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Ben (@benjamin)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@chadvice,
From my observations I think this is very true. Coming from the town and I do and going to the school I go to I have known a wide variety of marijuana users who live a wide variety of lifestyles. The ones that let weed change their lifestyle – i.e., they stop eating veggies, sit on their ass all day w/o excersise, and stop reading/studying/doing sudoku/feeding their mind, seem to have a pretty awful decline in health. And because the body gets weaker, they become less able to endure the damage (however small) that marijuana does do to you, and they are effected more. But I’ve also known people who smoke every day of their life, but work hard at their studies, get excersise, and eat well, and they seem to function just as well as anyone else.

That doesn’t negate the facts of this study. Doesn’t verify them either. I think the bottom line on all drug use is that we need a more mature approach to it in our culture. We demonize drugs that don’t do all that much harm and glorify the ones that kill the most. And the drug “education” we provide hardly gives an accurate picture of what drugs do in the real world. I think if we really gave people the facts about drugs from a young age we’d have a lot less people screwing their lives up on drugs, and alot more who know how to use drugs with maturity and moderation.

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Jeremy (@chadvice)2 years, 2 months ago ago

@benjamin, GREAT points. I totally agree. The bottom line being that any additional thing to our body, added consistently over time (food, drug, chemicals in the water supply) eventually has a long term affect because our body has to rebalance. Although I definitely love MJ, I see how moderation is key as well. This study seems to represent an extreme, but merit-worthy nonetheless. Good points sir.

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ross (@theboss7607)2 years, 2 months ago ago

The fact that they based the study off of iq and since we kno iq tests are fucked up anyways and dont take in to account creativity i wouldnt worry too much

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Carl (@birdofprey)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Forget all the studies and all the facts and shit for a second here, it’s a plant. And your just smoking it. It’ll be grand!

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roninindigo (@roninindigo)2 years, 2 months ago ago

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120827152039.htm

here’s the study.

personally, I don’t believe weed affects IQ. I’ve been smoking practically everyday for like 2 and half years, yet I attend a prestigious university. I’ve also seen many friends/acquaintances use weed constantly and not exhibit cognitive decline.

I think, if anything this can be attributed to weed’s affect on motivation. I’ve noticed that kids who are already unmotivated to excel at school seem to start to care less if they pick up weed habits, but even that is a generalization in itself.

In my opinion the benefits far outweigh the cons.

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Barkie (@bakra)2 years, 2 months ago ago

Despite from the fact that this study isn´t totally legit. I more or less agree that kids under 18 shouldn´t regularly smoke weed.
I started smoking at least once a week when I was 16 and it has been harmful to my development. In that year I dropped from vwo (wich is the highest level in dutch high schools) to havo and then I eventually I got kicked out of school. It had not so much to do with actual intelligence or capability but I just didnt feel like doing anything that I felt wasn´t worth doing.
Thank god I always kept doing all kinds of sports so now Im not fat and lazy, but I still smoke at least 3-4 times a week and I find it very hard to quit. luckily I can combine it now with studying because what I do interests me very much but if that wouldn´t be the case I don´t think I would ever finish a higher education.

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