Stock Market (Investing)
Hi I’m insanely interested in the stock market. I have my computer and cellphone keep me updated at all times. Right now I would consider myself a complete novice. I have actually invested yet but have been watching certain stocks for some time now. I’m posting this is hope to find someone in the same position or even better someone who made it through this position to help teach me what to do!
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Research research research! I did 100′s of hours of research and developed a system to evaluate stocks. I used it and made a 5 stock portfolio with 100k of fake money in it (real stock market though) and made 10% in a month off it. My formula lets me evaluate what it should hit even through bear markets so the stocks are holding until they at least reach 20+ %. There’s no easy way to learning how to invest in the stock market you just need to take time to do so.
@reinvented2012, Like I said, I have no interest in hearing hippie propaganda, I thought I made that clear?
As far as #2, “This is exactly what happens to the stock market.”
-ah, now we are getting somewhere, so you agree that buying Gold carries the same risks as stocks; yet you are so in favor of buying gold and not for stocks? And having seen Gold prices increase by 84% in the last year+, any economist will tell you that buying right now will not give you any sort of good return, as the market and global economy for the most part begins to stabalize, and the inflated gold prices will decrease to their average rates.
“And yea prices can rise and fall with Gold, but guess what it always has value no matter what”
-What? Gold has no value, just like the dollar bill. The only value it has is the value we as humans set for it. Other than that, its just a shiny rock that we really like and one that has many purposes for. But the price of it, is set by humans, and we can make it 1 dollar an ounce or 10,000$ and ounce.
I apologize for not being clear on the disposable income part, thats my bad. If you have less then 20K to invest, investing in gold is not viable because of everything I mentioned in my previous post. If you have over 50K to invest, then yes I agree with you try and get a loan for a business and invest your money in that. If you have over 200K, then put that money in Gold and let it slowly grow while being secure. Thats what I meant, sorry for not making those numbers clear.
“You clearly stated Gold gets through tough times, well thats what were in, tough times.”
-Where is your evidence to support this? Because the stock market as a collective has increased by 40% over the last 4 years, 12% respectively in the last two years, and is on pace to have a great 4th qtr and a great 2013. That doesnt sound like tough times to me, it sounds like the stock market is thriving. You just need to watch it closely in the next few weeks to see how the weary investors react, and get in on the buying before it stabalizes again.
@yoinkie, I’ll have to disagree that one should invest in the first half of 2013. With the fiscal cliff still looming with huge uncertainty and the impending tax increases, it may cause another round of recession. If this recession hits its peak, buy a shit ton of stocks that are reliable and wait it out for 2-3 years. 2013 will be an interesting year in the financial market to watch for sure.
@kwelch5528, Watching stocks (or ‘technical investing’) is a bad way to invest. It’s not based on any data other than stock market changes.
If your going to invest you need more inside information. But more importantly you need a detailed financial plan (which states more than: ‘£1000 to invest. Stock market. Profit’)
@1love, I agree 100% with everything you said. The Fiscal cliff is causing a lot of weary investor to potentially send them into a selling frenzy. A smart investor will watch the market like a hawk the next 6-12 months and jump on any opportunity. Even without a full scale recession, the bottom will fall out sooner or later. Basically its 2008 recreating itself. A lot of people made a lot of money in the last 4 years because of it, we just have to watch and do the same. I wish I had capital back then, I would have made quite a lot; I always followed stocks but didnt have capital to invest until this last year.
@kwelch5528 Personally after watching propaganda and economical movies i wouldn’t invest. Its too shifty and completely based on money that doesn’t exist. The stock market to my knowledge is the trading of debt. We all know the financial system is shit here in the US and could crash at any moment. If the US dollar tanks everyone that invested in the stock market is fucked, for lack of better words. Real investment would allow you to understand easily how your money is growing. Invest in Gold, its simple, it can be used as currency and if things start to decline your investment will never decline significantly in value.
Haven’t had time to read through everything but heres my take.
Do not couple a bad economy with a bad time to start investing. The simplest mantra of investing is that you want to buy low sell high. The fact of the matter is that it is far from that simple. i can tell you right now that every move you make is 20 steps (if not more) behind these firms and big brokers. Insider trading is rampant, and it is not illegal because there are massive loop holes in the system. To keep this short, they are allowed to give inside information as long as it is released to the public within a certain time period thereafter. With the speed that the market moves, seconds matter let alone 24hrs.
That being said, it is possible to make a lot of money from the market, in GOOD or BAD times, the best brokers make large sums of money when the market is bad. Just be sure to only gamble (yes it is gambling) within your means. You encounter problems when you risk to much.
Set price points and stick to them. Whatever you do…DO NOT get into the habbit of thinking, “If i wait just one more day or one more minute it will go up.” That right there is the downfall of many investors. When your indicators tell you to buy…BUY…and when they indicate sell…SELL. There are some good suggestions on here….especially @mercurial first comment.
Just remember everything effects the market…rumors, news, weather…etc….
No one consistently beats the market….you always end up losing some…the point is to cut your loses so you are still making a profit at the end of the day.
P.S. Your new best friend is STRESS.
@reinvented2012, terrible advice.
@kwelch5528, right now is a great time to jump into the markets, as they have been seeing steady incline for the past 2 years, and analysts are predicting a strong finish in the 4th qtr and a great 2013 year. The next 2 weeks are especially great to invest as the market took a major dip after the election(much the same way it fell 2% over after 2008 Obama election, but has seen increases across the board of 40%).
If you are more interested in the basic ins and outs, message me with specific questions.
If you’re serious about investing, the best thing to invest is not money, but time.
Invest time on educating yourself on how to build a business and go from there. A business investment (one you set up) is a far more stable investement than splashing out on stock markets.
Setting up a business allows you to gain assets that an individual cannot. Property, cars, flights…..
@yoinkie, terrible advice to invest in gold, yea ok man. The stock market is something that is way too unpredictable for anyone to really say they are good at investing in it. It is all based on debt and lies. Havent you ever watched a movie about the stock market, something as small as a lie about a company deciding to enter into another country to do business can make huge changes in the market and ruin lives. It is effected by the powers that control this country and those powers are corrupt. The stock market is a corrupt business, so if you want to be unsure of where your money is and what the hell will happen to it over the next hour, let alone the next 10 years then be my guest, invest. People that know anything about the powers that run this world know that Gold is the best investment, and next to that is land, and after that, well invest in anything that will always have value, not something that is influenced by lies and corrupt corporations.
@reinvented2012, Please spare me the hippie propoganda, I know it all and Im really not interested.
Early july of this year has shown the price of gold reach record levels, mostly due to continued reports regarding Greece’s financial situation. In capricious times of change economists have always recommended investing in gold due to its reputation for being able to weather the storm and come out on top as an inflation hedge. Over the past three years, gold has seen an increase of 84% in value, and during the last year gold has seen gains and losses of over 12% within the same quarter.The price of gold isn’t set by any one entity. Instead, it is controlled by the fluctuations of global markets, which can take surprising turns, like in Dubai and more recently in Greece. Political situations, civil unrest, even natural disasters can affect the price of gold. The recent instability of global markets should be a warning sign to those investing in gold that as quickly as prices go up they can come right back down.
Gold is simply too volatile to be a suitable single investment to guide your portfolio as it rises and falls with the unpredictable nature of the global market. As each country’s market begins to recover it’s common for the government to raise interest rates, which put significant pressure on the price of gold.
More over, you miss out on compound interest when you invest in Gold. Yes, if you have an abundance of free capital and want to invest in a long term secure investment, Yes invest in Gold, and your money will be safer then anywhere else. But, if you are like the 99% of us who actually want to make money now and dont have 20K lying around to put into a “saving accounts” per se, do not invest in gold.
And saying the investing is the stock market is risky, is like saying jumping off a cliff is dangerous. Fucking, duh. Every business oppurtunity is risky, and the key to a good entrapraneur is his or her ability to make smart investments in risky ventures. I myself, have been getting a 12% return on my investments in the stock market over the last 14 months, while still having another full time career. That return is solid, and putting money in my pockets. You have to be willing to do a lot of hard work, but you will succeed. So you telling someone not to invest in the stock market and rather invest in gold, is a terrible idea for 99% of the population that doesnt have disposable income just lying around.
@yoinkie, hippie propaganda, ignorant comment #1. and you want to comment on Greece, well guess what, were right behind them if we continue putting ourselves into deeper and deeper debt.
#2 “Gold is simply too volatile to be a suitable single investment to guide your portfolio as it rises and falls with the unpredictable nature of the global market. As each country’s market begins to recover it’s common for the government to raise interest rates, which put significant pressure on the price of gold.” This is exactly what happens to the stock market.
#3 investing in the stock market is not an entrepreneurial venture at all. if you want to be an entrepreneur you go out and start your own business.
And yea prices can rise and fall with Gold, but guess what it always has value no matter what, the stock market crashed once, and for sure it will happen again. Im glad you see a return, some do, most dont. And without investing large sums of money, you are most likely not going to see but more than a few dollars here and there. You want to see big gains you have to invest large amounts of money. So, onto another point, instead of investing in the shifty stock market that is extremely complicated to follow and be successful in, if you have enough money just start your own fucking business, you have more control over that than the stock market.
And with 99% of the population not having disposable income, they cannot invest in anything what so ever. Clearly @kwlech5528 has disposable income and looking out for someones best interest i vote NO for the stock market, especially with the economy we are in, the fact were at war with the middle east and china and russia pissed about that.
You clearly stated Gold gets through tough times, well thats what were in, tough times. If the economy were great or even on the up wing i might say the stock market would be some sort of option but not at this time, sorry. We clearly dont agree. Good luck investing.
My father is a very smart man, he’s a doctor! He has been investing in the stock market for three years now. My dad uses a couple of computer programs that calculate the current trends and make suggestions about certain stocks and when to sell, etc. Also, he has done tons of research on various companies and always researches before he invests.
Bottom line: even with using the smartest of tactics, my father has lost money. His initial investment was not terribly high, but he is still going through emotions of despair! The money makes small gains and small losses, and then huge losses. How can one man make money in this system that should be more knowable and understandable and predictable?
If you have a lot of $ to spare, and a good bit of time to keep up with your portfolio, and you think it could be fun, then go for it!!
But do NOT expect to win big.