I’m pretty tired, so I’m not gonna make this post long. Basically, I have been reading some Sufi texts recently, and I’m astonished at how awesome it is. This is odd for me because I really dislike Islam. But the Sufis don’t seem to be militant, or even religious at all, in fact, they seem kind of Buddhist. Anyway, just wondering if anybody knows more about this mystical sect.
Anyone? It’s interesting.
@adamsmith, I didn’t, but now I do! Interesting as fuck.
I know, right?
Islam is indeed a very misinterpreted religion! The whole story about Adam and Eve is very different in the Quran, God is in fact much more benevolent and forgiving in the isamic version of the story. I believe the militant nature of muslims is much more a consequence of bad times and lack of enlightenment, people abusing the word of god to control people with fear, and emplore them to abide by rules that are ridiculous.
@adamsmith, sufism has neither origin in Islam, except the fact that it is commonly recognized as Islamic due to its propagation mood, nor is it a mystical sect.
Sufism is not concerned with knowledge. Its whole concern is love, intense, passionate love: how to fall in love with the whole, how to be in tune with the whole, how to bridge the distance between the creation and the creator.
Sufism does not believe in any fairy-tales of the other world, of heaven and hell. And it is not that heaven does not exist, but that is not the concern of the Sufi. The Sufi lives totally in the moment. His simplicity comes out of his understanding, not out of cultivation; he does not practice it. Seeing life, he becomes aware of the austerity of a roseflower, how simple it is, and the beauty of its austerity. He becomes austere like a roseflower: it is not poor, the roseflower is simple and rich. What more richness can there be? The roseflower is simple and in utter luxury – what more luxury can there be?
Sufism is not part of Islam; rather, on the contrary, Islam is part of Sufism. Sufism existed before Mohammed ever was born, and Sufism will exist when Mohammed is completely forgotten. Islams come and go; religions take form and dissolve; Sufism abides, continues, because it is not a dogma. It is the very heart of being religious.
You may not ever have heard of Sufism and you may be a Sufi – if you are religious. Krishna is a Sufi, and Christ too; Mahavir is a Sufi, and Buddha too – and they never heard about the word, and they never knew that anything like Sufism exists.
Whenever a religion is alive, it is because Sufism is alive within it. Whenever a religion is dead, it shows only that the spirit, the Sufi spirit, has left it. Now there is only a corpse, howsoever decorated – in philosophy, metaphysics, in dogmas, doctrines – but whenever Sufism has left, religion stinks of death. This has happened many times. This is happening already almost all over the world. One has to be aware of it, otherwise one can go on clinging to a dead corpse.
@meghashyam, Who is Osho and what is good to read by him? I’d say its about time I delved.
@d@d503, He was an Indian mystic, guru, and spiritual teacher.
This is weird! I totally just downloaded a book on sufism and I came on HE to discover other HEthens are learning about it too!
I’ve never heard of Sufism but I shall investigate it now!
@d503, start with The Fundamental Slavery
Have a read about Sufism Reoriented (website is http://sufismreoriented.org/) and I quote from the site’s opening page:
Sufism Reoriented is an American faith community that provides a home for worship and universal spiritual education to its members. Created in 1952 by Meher Baba, it strives to work in harmony with all religions and affirms the central core of divine love at the heart of all spiritual systems. The central principles of Sufism Reoriented are love and service: active love for God and active service to others in God’s world
recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism on this general topic.
@meghashyam, nice quote. Osho has a way of hitting the nail on the head, so to speak. That’s so right: “Whenever a religion is dead, it shows only that the spirit, the Sufi spirit, has left it.”
I went to live in Pakistan for four years. I spent a lot of time with Muslims, Hindus and Christians and the people who were the most gentle and loving were the Sufis. I find that the sects which focus more one love and experiential unity with the divine tend to have the most compassionate, loving followers as opposed to the ones who focus on confessional religion.
So, yeah, Sufis rock my face off.
This is all awesome!
@adamsmith, Yeah i questioned myself too if Islam and Sufism are intertwined or not and which was first the one or the other. It seems that Sufism is considered to be part of the core of Islam, even though there are sufi’s who perhaps are not Muslim but are Hindu or Sikhs. I find deep understanding and appreciation in Sufism and think there is something about it the world doesn’t know or understand yet. Well i do find an overlap in literature about Islam and Sufism.
It reminds me most to Buddhism, yet i can’t explain the attraction Sufism has…
i don’t know if you’ve heard of the Sufi scholar ‘Rumi’. I’ve read a few of his quotes, and i loved it.
@radioheads1, I fear (respect) Rumi because of how brilliant he is with his handling of ideas and understandings.
@adamsmith, This is the full interview with Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee from “One The Movie” (an independent film project that I suggest to everyone), who is a Sufi mystic. I found it very interesting and inspiring.
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gby6y4i4ljU
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