Suicide: Heroic or Cowardly

@splashartist, well then, I’ve got very little left other than willpower, which I guess, according to this thread, I suppose I can either diminish or create as I see fit. Yes, sometimes I do wonder why I don’t just jump off my local parking garage. I know this is wrong, but at the same time, I don’t know what to do about it? I’ve had a low month.

How do you create harmony between the ego and true self when the rest of your life is a mess? I don’t even have selfish, greedy, or vain intentions here. I’ve just been like I said, being in a low spell.

@theskafish, A mess is only a mess because you have rationalized it to be so. You can find order in complete chaos. These may just seem like fancy words to you with little substance but if you practice and apply these lessons to your life then they WILL come to fruition. We all have rough times man! That’s life! I’ve thought and worried about the idea of suicide before (worried that I may become suicidal without actually being suicidal i know it sounds stupid lol!) but I’m in a very awesome state of mind again! This will leave me again but knowing that all things are impertinent really hold great value and empowerment to keep pushing forward. Cheers man! Things will look up :) trust in life, it’s plan is flawless.

It all depends really. neither heroic…nor cowardly.

as has been said before it is far FAR too easy for one who has not felt the complex set of emotional spiritual and mental instability either personally or through someone with whom you are close to (and when I say close I don’t mean that cousin you sen twice a year during the holidays, but someone whom holds their own unique place in your heart), to call suicide cowardly or selfish. don’t do so as it effectively (whether you intend it to or not) discredits that survivor’s, victim’s or victim’s loved one’s feelings on the matter.

if you still want to call it a cowardly act, then I want you to sit down and have a good think about what suicide really entails, and subsequently ask yourself if you could do this, if the answer is “no I couldn’t kill myself” are you no less cowardly than the soul who had gone through with it?

this simple, apathetic view is exactly what fuels the fire that burns people in the suicidal ideation stage, this profound lack of caring solves nothing and only functions to make yourself seem better than that person whom you judge, as you refuse to see things from their perspective. suffering is suffering

don’t call them cowards

don’t say it was all just ego

don’t call them selfish

acknowledge the fact that people are different and that not everyone is as “strong” as you may claim to be, when you may not have been in this situation personally, as what brings one to suicide is infinitely varied in it’s triggers.

you’ve all got hearts that are capable of more compassion than you can fathom, it doesn’t take a Mother Theresa or a Buddhist monk to express this
that is all I have to say to that

-sorry if this came off overtly aggressive, I cannot tolerate apathy in this regard

@hlalhabattu, Maybe there’s better words to use then cowardly then? I would tend to agree with most of your post. Maybe unaware and fully engulfed in the ego based thinking mind is a better way of saying it. And suffering comes from the ego based mind, so yea It is mostly an ego based thing to commit. You don’t see animals committing suicide do you? (well there’s a case of dolphins doing this but they are also self aware).

@splashartist, of course there are far better words, I’m not going to try to change your perspective on it, because that’s just not how I roll, but outright calling someone a coward for it is both a misuse of the word coward, as suicide is actually among the bravest acts one can commit (though I have never and never will condone it) it is the final stand and technically the most important decision one will ever choose in life.

I just ask that you realize the magnitude of that word in context to the matter at hand and choose more wisely, ask yourself why you feel this way and if that is truly how you feel, or if that just “came out”. if so, try to put to language as close as possible to your true feelings on the matter as you can

@hlalhabattu, it’s more of in the moment responses. I don’t have a set belief that fuels passion in this discussion even having personal experience with suicide. it just is if that makes any sense to you. I realize the contradictory element to life and am not afraid to admit the fact. Cowardly? Yes and no. It’s really paradoxical because it can considered cowardly or brave. So let’s avoid the use of those words all together then. But if we do that then we remove any aspect of the thought out of it. That is the beauty of the human mind. All things are paradoxical by the minds nature so it is only by which stance you take at a certain moment that will define the intent of the thought. So in all, it just is. In certain moments it’s this and then in certain moments it’s that.

@splashartist, there we go, that is how you really feel on the subject, all you needed to do was think a little

@yoinkie again I said that I never condone suicide, so please do not start pointing fingers and placing unspoken words in my mouth. that said, why are you so quick to demonize? it is quite a serious matter to be so brash and unsympathetic about, no?
open that heart a little

@hlalhabattu, Thanks for the opportunity of self reflection! ;)

@hlalhabattu, I never said you condone suicide, you said, and I quote, “don’t call them cowards don’t say it was all just ego don’t call them selfish”. I simply disputed those facts. Where is the finger pointing in that? Come now. and sympathy for those who quit on life? i have none. giving your life to save someone or for a cause is different, but other then that, if choosing the easy way out. Those people waste a gift, and its pathetic.

How can we possibly judge people for committing suicide when we don’t have, and never will have an idea of how they were feeling. Imagine the lowest you have ever been. This will vary hugely for everyone, but for all of us it is the lowest. I can sit here and say ‘well…I made it through the hard times in my life and didn’t give up, so anyone else is a coward.’, but let’s just say that someone who committed suicide was feeling pain and suffering ten times worse than anything I’ve ever felt. I’m not saying this is always the case, but it’s definitely not my place to say it isn’t.

There were times when suicide seemed like a good idea, those times were when I was weak and didn’t know how pathetic everyone around me actually is. Then I felt stupid that I wanted to die because of the stupidity of other people and started calling them, I realized that people who are most suicidal deserve to be on the planet most than the people who are taking life for granted. A suicidal person knows the consequences of his death, the people included in those consequences don’t, never will and don’t deserve their own fear to be explained, they usually never explain back.

A person suffering from a terminal illness, acknowledging his torturous future has the right to commit suicide, he’s neither selfish nor ignorant, doesn’t have to explain the obvious to the people with weaker psyche. That’s neither heroic nor cowardly, it’s taking control.

On the other hand, suicides prevail amongst people suffering from depression caused by broken relationships, financial crisis and overwhelming guilt, which for a suicidal mind is the only rational “way out” and they cannot endure the psychological pain. Can you call such person a coward? You won’t help anyone. Calling him heroic would be one of the reasons he’d commit suicide in the first place, self-centered fucking moron. (Whoever you are.)

If a person cannot find the strength to be aggressive, his desire for living won’t exist. It’s pathetic how people think a group hug is going to help suicidal people. Get angry. Take control. Fuck those fuckers.