Suicide: Heroic or Cowardly
First of all the question is wrong. This is a serious matter and it’s not about cowards or heroes. Yes, you can use words to try to “tag” , but it’s not that simple. It’s not all black and white.
Suicide is niether heroic nor cowardly. It is merely an escape from this world filled with greed, conformity, hate, and injustice. Our society is in a irreversible state of blind conformity, i do not blame anyone for wanting to escape this atrocity that we call society. Furthermore, i do not consider someone a hero for commiting suicide, as there is nothing heroic about killing yourself to escape a world of evil, but there is also nothing cowardice about it either.
Life is a game, if someone decides they don’t want to play anymore that’s their choice. Whether its cowardly or not isn’t the right question. If someone commits suicide, they simply don’t enjoy being alive.
@siantastic, This is also my stance on things regarding suicide. It’s important that we don’t allow ourselves to be as arrogant as to think that we can judge these people. To take ones own life is the strongest statement and saddest as well. If you take your own life it is a clear sign that something is very wrong. When you are suicidal I think it’s nearly impossible to “simply pull yourself up” You need someone to listen and show you the world in a different light. Being suicidal is not a choice.
@egarim, I feel it is the height of cowardice and fear, it is simply like saying; I know better then life and I say it has nothing more to give (gives me a very arrogant feeling to it). Also usually it comes as a rational decision based on free will and a “its my life”-kind of idea during depressions, haven’t heard about many happy people turning off the light willingly.
Also; to commit such an act one must truly be driven to do it. And the question is if that drive is controlled or controlling. If it is controlled it is indeed courage, if it is controlling it is fear. Ah, this just popped up; if one truly is courageous nothing can make one take the easy way out. Death is not the greatest adversary to be faced so to speak. So it cannot be the ultimate test of courage, Id say that is to live on when it seems rock bottom dark.
William Shakespeare outlined the former poetically in Hamlet, in the “To be or not to be” Soliloquy.
But what of those who would rather face the unknown of death rather than the unknown of life? Are they so much more cowardly than those who choose to let their life end at someone or something elses hand? Was Hunter Thompson cowardly for choosing to end his “so long life” on his own terms, rather than waiting for ‘fate’ to end it for him?
“For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,”?
@dkanowsky, I think sometimes people just decide to go home and they are banking on Gods understanding. Now that’s Faith! Take away the fear of death and you have truly free people. I can’t wait to go home myself. But not willing to kill myself to do it. I was hoping my wife would kill me. Now that would be romantic and tragic!
A few weeks ago I would have agreed that it would be cowardly. But now I say neither, I had a friend who happend to be bipolar who opened my eyes up about sucide. It is a pain that is so unbearable that the only way they think they can solve it is through death. Everyone has different experiences and no one can truly understand what they are going through. Since I cannot understand that person’s feelings and thoughts I won’t think any less of them.
i believe its very brave. it depends on the cause i think. but to go to this undiscovered country where no one ever returns from and because of this we all fear…i think choosing death and not waiting for death to choose you is brave but if you believe in karma and all that theres a chance your gonna have to go thru what you’ve been thru all over. you have to learn your lessons and until these lessons are learned they will keep repeating themselves in different ways and versions but in essence same lesson. same goes for waking life. you ever notice the same situation happens to you? sometimes over and over? its a lesson your learning, an experience you chose. suicide, what drove you to these limits unless dealth with and going thru it you’ll have to face it again. you cant escape the inevitable so stay here with us for any who wants to go, you actually begged and pleaded to be able to come to earth during this time. i wanted to leave as well trust me, but in the end i was shown why i should stay and that the best is yet to come. the next 6 months will be an amazing ride that much i can promise all of you. love you all! ~Hermes
It is a very hard thing to actually succeed at so if you do manage to kill yourself then you obviously have a lot more strength than you think you do. But I will not connotate it, if you want to die so much you will do it, but if you try and fail then you simply didn’t want it enough, but now you know it and you can start to recover understanding that it is no longer an option.
for those of you saying cowardice? wouldnt it take more bravery to face the unknown that is death, versus staying here to deal with your everyday life. 99% of the world is scared to dies o somebody going willingly i say it takes courage. i myself have no judgements on the matter, every case is different and so is every individual. ~HERMES
The only thing you are guaranteed when coming into this world is that you will one day die. As far as I’m concerned, that is your ONLY birth-right, and you should be able to make that transition whenever you are ready to.
We’re advancing way ahead of our physical capabilities; we’re living modern society like software on a 15,000 yr outdated hardware system. The psychological concoction that comes from this competitive and advanced culture can easily fool someone into thinking their life is meaningless. I think South Korea has the highest suicide rate, and a documentary once explained that it was because of the culture, young adults feel insignificant in their society and when pressured to their lowest point, feel there is no way up or out.
Progress is subjective however. There are severely disabled and mentally handicapped persons with TONS of love for life, despite their steep limitations. If they can pick even a handful of things out of their day to appreciate, then I think that would be enough for anyone to want to live for tomorrow.
My title is polarizing so as to elicit a passionate response. This topic is touchy for most people and most have their minds made up. Everything is left open to interpretation: my title may be introducing extremes but we can talk with neutrality if necessary.
I am reading all your responses but let me add something: those who have not considered or attempted suicide do not know how much of a dilemma it is. What you say you can do and what you actually do are two different things. The way I see it is that people claim they are capable of something but when it comes down to it the majority are not.
For instance: most people like to say they are willing to die for the people they care about or die to protect but time and time again evidence shows that the “bystander effect” kicks in during dangerous situations. You said you’d be the hero in these situations but you became a bystander and waited for a real hero like everyone else.
You say that when faced with intense situations you are brave enough to continue living, you may be right you may be wrong, but you don’t truly know until these situations occur. Is it cowardly to put a gun in your mouth? That is left open to interpretation. But if you have ever held your own life in your hands do you understand the weight of the situation. I remain neutral on this topic but consider those that continue living because they are too afraid of death to end it… the ones that have lost everything (limbs, family, life meaning, etc).
Just a thought.
There is nothing more cowardly than suicide.
How is that even a question to discuss?
It is to be discussed because it is an opinion question. Cowardice, heroism, and neutral human right to choose are all topics left completely open to interpretation. You don’t know if I agree with you are not but know that I appreciate your passionate response.
@egarim, It’s not a matter of opinion at all, it’s a matter of using words the right fucking way.
Coward: Someone who gets afraid, backs down, escapes, is overcome by fear.
Hero: Someone glorious who does great deeds, a saviour, a fighter.
If you kill yourself, you’ve proven that you fear the world and life itself, that you’re all fear and no love.
Seriously, people having their stupid opinions on things like this is the reason why we don’t get anywhere. It’s fucking ridiculous.
But by all means, let them kill themselves “out of heroism.” That way, there’ll be less morons around, it’s self-sanitation I guess. Just like thugs kill eacother off, I guess some of the fuckups kill themselves off. It’s one of those issues that destroys itself sooner or later, just temporary bullshit.
I’m looking forward to the time when it’s over.
Wrong. I need to stay out of this so please feel free to be less directed towards me with your words.
For someone that tries so hard to teach about the ego you are letting it blind you to this understanding (which is not very profound at all so I am shocked as to why you cannot follow).
“If you kill yourself, you’ve proven that you fear the world and life itself, that you’re all fear and no love.
Feel free to reread what you have said and note the number of opinions present. It is a simple exercise feel free to keep count. This topic of suicide and whether it is a brave or cowardly act is completely opinion, now let me explain. I am glad you have defined “coward” and “hero” but when put into context, whether or not the act of suicide is either is left open to interpretation.
The crucial point here is whether an individual commits suicide to escape or they are committing suicide to face their death. There is a difference. If you are dying from cancer or gangrene or otherwise and you know you don’t have long, do you let the disease take you or do you take it into your own hands? That is different than someone who is committing suicide to try to avoid trial for the rape and murder of children.
What you have effectively done, and done very well, is group suicide into a general category, making it very black and white and saying that all that commit suicide are in the same boat because all those that kill themselves are running away.
This is the main problem with you. You confuse truth and opinion. I like your posts, you are very intelligent and proactive from what I can discern.. but they are a myriad of reasons for suicide.. not all of them involve the purpose of running away. A person that is dying quickly, commits suicide… not to runaway from his death, but to face it head on.
Just my thoughts.
My answer in a poem. It applies to suicide as well.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
“There is nothing more cowardly than suicide.
How is that even a question to discuss?”
Can you explain how a warrior who disembowels themselves so they don’t fall into the hands of their enemy and thus jeopardize their lords’ honor/safety is cowardly? I’m sure you can, it’s early.
|Brandon P’naantan Pinkney
@egarim, “I am reading all your responses but let me add something: those who have not considered or attempted suicide do not know how much of a dilemma it is. What you say you can do and what you actually do are two different things. The way I see it is that people claim they are capable of something but when it comes down to it the majority are not.”
thank you for pointing this out, as it is blatantly clear that many of the “Cowardly” perspective on this matter have neither experienced first or second-hand and do not realize that the decision to kill oneself is not as simply or easy as turning off a light. it is a serious decision.
@manimal …do you even think before you type? people in general do not commit suicide out of fear or the delusion of being heroic. also, I do not think you are fully aware of what it means to entertain the idea of suicide, it is not easy and not everyone could do it. if you think you could simply kill yourself, with no thought behind it, since “there’s no challenge in it” then congratulations, but realize that is not the case for just about everyone else. you’ve a highly denigrating view on this matter, and it is really this reason why we don’t get anywhere, not because people want to openly discuss views on controversial or taboo topics.
I humbly believe that it is wrong to judge or come to a conclusion on an act such as suicide because it is truly a different act in every situation. Also to say it is a cowardly act is just such a uncompassionate judgement.
This past summer I lost my one of my good friends to suicide. He had severe depression, which he had secretly battled his whole life. He had so much suffering within himself due to an uncontrollable illness that he decided to end it by taking his life. I do not think this is cowardly in anyway, I find it disheartening that anyone had to go through what he did.
So instead of criticizing suicide I think we should all try to understand it, and help those that are struggling with ideas of suicide.
But Hey… thats just my opinion!
No one chose to come into this life. If they find said life to be too hard to bear, then I say it’s their choice. Of course in a perfect world no one would commit such an act but unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world. I had a friend in highschool who got a DUI, lost his job, and lost his girlfriend in a week. He hung himself. Was I pissed? Yeah of course, but whether someone should live or not is not up to me. Having been extremely depressed and contemplating suicide before, I know it’s not an easy thing to do. It takes huge fucking balls to go through with it. Running away from your problems? Yeah that’s cowardly. But actually killing yourself takes courage, as bad as that sounds.
My best friend ended is life parked at a stop sign with a rifle in his mouth. My uncle ended his life hanging from a belt in his closet. They never knew how much they mattered. I miss them everyday.
However, cowardly isn’t the right word. You can’t imagine the willpower to go through with it and the absolutely hopeless mindstate one has to be in. If you’ve never had to lose someone to suicide, you’re lucky. It’s easy to say people who commit suicide are weak, until you know someone that did it. When I hear people say “Blah blah I’d rather shoot myself.” I cringe. What an insensitive thing to say.
@mimic, How is that anything but extremely cowardly? If you understood anything about their mentality you would understand that this was all about fear of the shogun, and fear of failure and loss of honour.
@egarim, None of it was directed at you, it’s a misunderstanding based on the stupid way the english language handles the word “you.”
I am not the one who is blinded, please keep those assumptions to yourself.
It’s not at all a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of not understanding the words “coward” and “hero.”
If I caught a deadly disease I would make sure to get well again. Even if it seemed hopeless, I wouldn’t give up, and giving up is the definition of cowardice. Plus, you never KNOW that you don’t have much time left, that’s just an assumption. It’s very ignorant.
You’re confusing reasons with excuses. And, yknow, self-deception is a powerful thing, we do it all the time, a person can be fully convinced that they’re not running away while they in fact are running away. The ego easily finds a way to bypass your pride and reason when there is a “need” for it, it’s a very clever function of the human mind, and very tricky to spot. Fight or flight is an instinctive reaction, a necessity, and when we’re indecisive the ego must find a way to propel us in either direction, and to avoid being spotted and intercepted it does it through discreet self-deception.
Our minds are being hijacked frequently by this impulse, even those who are aware and understand the ego fall to it over and over on a daily basis. That’s what gives us personality and habits and all that shit.
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