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MRose (@mangos16)    1 year, 10 months ago

So, its pretty straightforward. What exactly are they and do they compare to the real thing at all? I’ve really never heard of them until recently.. apparently they’re legal and don’t show up on drug tests…? any answers would be awesome

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Matthew (@ojai)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@rowlanry, “you go thata way this will happen you go the other way that will happen”

But maybe that’s where the confusion comes in? How can you say for sure what will happen BOTH ways if you have only been one way? I’ve found that when people identify things like this with such a mindset and try to say “this is exactly how it is and if you don’t do it this way, you’re not doing it”, the universe is there to tell you “hey, check this out” and show it to you it in a completely different light. What I mean is when you declare something and say ‘this is how it is’, all you’re doing is darkening your knowledge on the subject. Who is honestly to say what is what?

“i would like to know what the benefits to drugs are. im not saying there aren’t any i just dont know about them. i understand some drug use for people who actually the benefits are worth it like aids or cancer victims.”
“smoking usually is accompanied by laziness high MSG consumption (Doritos) its more harmful to your lungs than smoking or just as bad add all those to already high corn syrup diets with a lot of red meat an in-activeness which may also mix with lack of sleep and “mind training”

While I agree that may be the case with many people in smoking, I think you have to be careful to not generalize the entirety of people who smoke as being mentally and physically ailed because of smoking. A lot of people are as you say, but a lot are not. I for instance smoke daily but I also train in mixed martial arts heavily and smoking doesn’t inable me from doing so, mentally or physically. Smoking has a wide range of benefits, both mental and physical. If you are interested in all, I suggest making a discussion or finding if one has been made about the benefits of marijuana. I say that because if I tell you the benefits, you will just be hearing how it benefits myself and those I know. If you ask others, you will get many different answers, some may suprise you man. It’s all a matter of the person themself. For my final piece of evidence, I bring this.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7082/phelps.jpg

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Cody (@versai)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Every drug eventually came from nature, (aspirin from willow trees) with that being said the safest and strongest drugs are psychoactives which ironically grow out of the Earth.

THC comes from marijuana, psilocybin from mushrooms, mescaline from peyote, dmt from… damn near anything. They’re all natural and can be found across the world. Synthetics are close relatives, but you won’t know what else could be leftover from them making it, nor would you know what pesticides/chems were sprayed on the plants; so it’s better to grow your own and then extract and refine the active ingredient until it’s pure.

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Sean LeBlanc (@bongodeburrito)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Its bad juju. Dont go anywhere near the stuff.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@rowlanry, no offense, but it sounds like:

1) You have no idea what I prefer in this category
2) You don’t know very much about drugs that I prefer

Weed doesn’t hurt you, LSD doesn’t hurt you, Shrooms don’t hurt you, DMT doesn’t hurt you (nor it’s natural form, ayahuasca), Mescaline doesn’t hurt you (nor ITS natural form, peyote).

I obviously am not advocating going and smoking crack or doing meth (things with obvious terrible side effects) but you are WAY overextended your beliefs to encompass things that are harmless

It’s obvious that you are talking in extremes, and what do drugs even have to do with other bad decisions. Someone prone to making bad diet decisions isn’t really someone worth discussing this with, because they could be the type to overdo anything else they choose to pick up, like drugs.

But you leave out the HUGE group of people on HE who have experimented cautiously and STILL maintain healthy lifestyles. Like I said, most of the better drugs come from natural sources and have no side effects that can’t be controlled (you went on about weed smoking but you can vaporize it and remove 100% of the toxins and carcinogens, making it COMPLETELY healthy).

And who cares about “the money you save?” If they want to spend it on something they enjoy that isn’t even bad for them, then let them. Your ONLY example of a weed smoker is someone who ALSO eats a crap-ton of fast food and MSG, a terribly BIASED view that does not incorporate hardly ANY of the weed-ingesting population, and especially not the ones worth talking about (that would be those who understand balance and seek out their usage for legitimate human experience).

You seem to have a lot of walls built up over drugs, but let me tell you now: you will seem to be somewhat brainwashed by the general taboo that the government has pushed on people. Do your OWN research instead of listening to D.A.R.E. and extending that on to ever other person in existence. Take the time to understand both sides of a drug, and you will find just how unrealistic your claims are.

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Rowland (@rowlanry)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@ojai, i understand your point and im probably coming off more black an white than what i actually am i understand experimenting, its the constant use and yes some people dont have bad reactions or any other problems health wise but they are the EXCEPTION. im not saying its 100% certain going to happen but they are at an increased risk and alot of the time it will lead to harming your body. i dont know what happens if i go the other way but i do know that by doing it the chances of cancer and other things are increased those are facts im sure weed can be great for people and help them mentally sometime but they are also the exception.@lytning91, all i have done is my own research and it actually makes me mad to see that because i agree with the government on an issue that i am brain washed i actually did a report on drugs for my school and i will give you some of the quoetes and facts and the websites i found them on to show that most if not all of those drugs can be hurtfulll… and i did say CAN there are exceptions…the web sites where i found my facts are (WEED) http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1808 http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html (LSD)http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/2590.asp although LSD might be a safer drug physically it can cause people to go into bad trips and alter the mind of an individual i know a few people that after using LSD there weren’t even as close to as smart as they were after… there are other websites and research that have more proof of what im saying… its hard to get a real grasp of how LSD and other hallucinogens really effect you do to how little we know about the human mind im not seeing how unrealistic my claims are maybe instead of just going against whatever people dot agree with you should do your own research yes vaporizing isnt really that bad if bad at all really but i rather not take that risk and miss out…you probably think that we should tax the rich more tooo but thats a whole other condridiction

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@rowlanry, I can whip out just as many sources supporting my belief that they are harmless as you can that they aren’t.

Just as any one-track argument works, you are focused on finding research to support YOUR frame of mind. Fact remains that you haven’t actually tried anything and have no way of really talking from experience. Weed and LSD don’t actually cause cancer. Nothing “causes” cancer. Cancer is formed from the killing of cells, and your bodies likelihood of creating mutated cells. Vaporizing COMPLETELY and TOTALLY eliminates ALL risk of that. THC doesn’t even go into your brain, it works with your receptors and this effect is 100% temporary. Even after prolonged use, you can stop and will return ALL of your brain function back to normal.

The drugs worth using are harmless given the right amount and used responsibly. All your horror stories about “exceptions” are the real exception. Talk to almost everyone hear who has smoked weed or used hallucinogens. All of these “exceptions” are here discussing how awesome even “bad” trips can be. Sounds to me like they really aren’t exceptions at all. Research on LSD is extensive and the only actual harm comes from using TOO much or from having a likelihood of psychosis (something that makes ALL of life a risk, not just drugs. The drug doesn’t create psychosis, people prone to psychosis after a high level of anxiety or stress get it). Your cause and effect measures are off and it just goes to show that your arguments are to one-sided to be taken seriously.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 10 months ago ago

You know a few people that “didn’t come back.” I know a TON of people who have done it a LOT and never had ANY issues “coming back.” Who is the exception?

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Rowland (@rowlanry)1 year, 10 months ago ago

didn’t i agree with you on vaporizing? ya..but no its fine keep arguing it lol ya cancer is caused by the killing of cells why do you think they say marijuana increases chances of lung cancer? thought you would of put two and two together but here’s it flat: marijuana kills lung cells. . yes research on LSD is extensive but not the human brain we know so little about how it works its pathetic so we can look into LSD all we want, but there are underlying effects we don’t know about and if you think that we know all of them you are arrogant. for you the risk is obviously worth the reward but for me i rather not risk my inelegance or physical well-being for any drug all drugs even the legal ones can be harmful you cannot make claims that “ALL” of your brain function will return to normal because we honestly dont know enough about the brain, we know it alters the receptors, inhibitors, etc. but exactly how is still under research. you don’t really have to have experienced it to know the stats and facts. just because i haven’t been in a car crash doesnt mean i dont know it can kill ya… and yes its one track argument that’s what an argument is so by trying to make me sound like im doing something stupid by having a one track argument is arrogant an kinda confusing also if u want you can go back and see where i say experimenting can be okay and how weed should be used under certain circumstances

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