Synthetic Marijuana-DO NOT DO IT
I’ve been waiting to post this slightly horrifying trip report for some time. For those who think synthetic weed is a safe legal alternative to weed, I’m here to tell you that it just ain’t worth it. I apologize for the length of this report, but I’ve been waiting to get it off my chest for months so here goes.
It was a seemingly normal lazy Saturday afternoon, and me and my buddy were out driving around town. We were out of ganja, but intended on going to a head shop to pick out a new piece that day. After a short conversation with the vendor at the store, we left the head-shop with a brand new bowl and three grams of “spice”. We left the shop, and loaded a fat bowl of this stuff. We downed it in about 5 minutes, and it took both of us higher than we had been in a very long time. We even got the munchies, and so made a quick stop at BK for some burgers.
We both came down in about 45 minutes, and took the opportunity to renew our highs with a few more hits on the way home. We smoked on the highway, and felt the full effects once more, laughing at each other, and how this substance was technically legal, but pot was not. It was at that moment, as I took the exit off the highway and headed for home, that things went from excellent to horribly wrong.
My friend stopped talking to me mid conversation. I looked over at him and laughed, thinking he was messing with me, which is something we do often when on our stoner adventures. He kept his gaze steady, staring out the front of the car for a few minutes, remaining silent to the point where I began to grow annoyed. I pulled off onto a side road, and yelled at him to say something. He turned to me and looked at me from behind the blankest eyes I’d ever seen in my life. Horror instantly crawled its way down my spine. I reached my hand out, touching his chest, asking him if he was alright. He responded by crossing his eyes, and sticking his tongue out, curling it in a grotesque fashion. He then leaned down fast at my arm in an attempt to bite me.
In hindsight, his panic might have been directly brought on by my following actions, but how was I supposed to know something like this could happen over spice? I proceeded to scream at him telling him to handle his shit, and calm down like a man. His face flushed at the sound of my screaming, and he began seizing, as if possessed by some insidious spirit with the intent of killing us both. He flailed is arms, seizing and contorting his body in ways I’d never imagined possible. He kicked out with his foot, smashing out my rearview mirror, and leaving my actual windshield with about two feet of splintered cracks in it. My windshield was on the verge of cracking. All the while I was driving, and trying to keep him in his seat.
I sped down the road and ended up parking in front of a house down a secluded back street. He had flailed his way into my back seat (I drive a coupe, so this is actual quite the feat) and it came to my intention that he was puking violently facing up. Using all my strength, I thrust him onto his stomach, stuck my hand in his mouth, and forced his jaw open so that he would not suffocate himself. He was still puking a seizing, when I noticed a woman storming down the driveway we were parked in front of, on the phone with the cops, pointing at my car.
I pulled the fastest Uie (spelling?) of my life, and got the fuck out of there. It had been about twenty minutes since my friend had started seizing, and I was about to drive him to a hospital when he stopped moving violently, and slid himself back into the passenger seat, with a look on his face that instantly told me that he had no recollection of what had just happened. He looked around the disastrous car in horror, and could only ask “What happened?”
The next few hours consisted of avoiding cops, cleaning my car, and preventing my friend from slipping back into “the void”. He continued to trip out for an hour afterwards, but was generally in control. He claims he has never been the same since. I’ve left out a few details here and there, and summed up the experience to just a few paragraphs. But don’t underestimate the fear that this synthetic substance caused both of us, in the moment, and even now out of it.
It is not safe. It is not an alternative. This could be you. If it had been me, the driver, both me and my friend would likely be dead. I count my blessings every day for that. So everyone out there considering this alternative, keep in mind that this is an unstable, unsafe product that could damage you permanently. We only smoked a bowl and a half of it between two of us.
Have fun, be safe, and smart everybody! Learn from others’ mistakes, and avoid making the same yourselves :)
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I’m sure you mean well, but people prone to psychotic breaks are just as likely to spaz out on weed as they are on any other psychoactive substance.
“Have fun, be safe, and smart everybody!”
“We smoked on the highway, and felt the full effects once more”
We need emoticons.
@mimic, Haha my friend is not prone to psychotic breaks. He has smoked weed almost everyday for three years, experimented with different substances, even hallucinogens, and was not NEARLY as affected by any of those experiences as this one experience. The whole reason I posted this is because we were uninformed, and stupid for doing this without prior information, ESPECIALLY for driving on the highway, or driving period, since we assumed this substance was like the real thing, which we’ve never experienced problems with before. I said all that in the hopes that it would help someone avoid a similar mistake in the future. My friend is not “prone to psychotic breaks” or he probably would not use these types of substances. I know him, you do not.
I’m sorry that you missed the message here.
@mimic, Ohhh okay that actually did clear your post up for me, believe it or not. I know what you’re getting at now, and yes I agree with your statement! I do think there is something to the dangers of the synthetic cannabinoid that is in this spice stuff. I’ve done some further research on it, and there seems to be a common trend of ill effects, resulting in seizures and things of the like. I would venture to say that you would be more likely to experience something like this due to the synthetic chemical than just good ole green ganja. Again, thanks for the clarification!
@jordan, Agree agree agree! I smoked that stuff awhile back, tried all kinds. I had a lot of scary experiences. Sometimes I felt like I was literally retarded. Or not a human. One time I thought my boyfriend and his sister was plotting to murder me. I got nothing good out of it.
@eruptionwarranty, There have been studies that show that spice can cause psychosis and hallucinations, even after you have stopped smoking it. It can change some of the chemical structures of your brain. I smoked it maybe three to five times. I did this before I even smoked weed. The last time I smoked it, it was the scariest time of my life. I have pretty good control over my thinking when high, so I just kept reminding myself it would go away, that I was just high, but I felt extremely paranoid and hostile. I also felt tremedously hopeless. You know when Harry Potter describes how the dementors make him feel, as if all the happiness had been taken from him? That is how my last trip on spice was. I have’t touched it since.
I’ve smoked a bunch of spice. There were so many types to choose from. My friends and I finally settled on one particular “brand” and it was ok. It was a mellow, weed-like high.
We tried out some other stuff though and I have had some really fucked up trips…I had a completely alien perspective on everything. I felt as if I were trapped in some odd looking meat suit. I was freaking out. My friends tried to help me relax and they were really worried. Everything was distorted and I felt that they were “friends” but I had no idea who they or even I was. My home was unfamiliar and I had trouble adapting to this “vessel”.
Thinking about it again, It definitely was an interesting experience that I’ve never encountered before. I think I freaked out because I was unprepared for it. It was so radically different than just your basic high.
Another time I just had waaaaaayyyy too many thoughts in my head, like an over-crowded Japanese subway train. Way too often my mind would flood with thoughts I really didn’t want to think…they felt so negative and ugly. It made me very aware of some of my emotional “issues” and neurosis.
Anyways, the stuff we settled on, we smoke a shit ton of. No issues, just lots of munchies!
It’s illegal in this area now though and I couldn’t care less. It was never my favorite. I like the real and natural stuff! Not that I can get high anymore anyways!
@laurenlouise, Good description with that Harry potter metaphor. I dig it. Well I’m glad so many people know the deal with this stuff. Ever since my experience, I’ve felt a nagging hatred at the legal system for allowing this substance to occupy shelves while pot users are thrown in jail. It’s truly mind blowing haha
Should you be smoking on the highway!? Probably not. But yeah that’s not the point I get it …
Shit man yeah, I’ve never heard of anything as scary as this, but all the times I’ve witnessed people fuck around with these legal highs (I never have; I tend to be smoking a real J instead) they’ve have had some horrible, or at least disappointing, experiences. From migraines to full-on paranoid trips … it seems to me these legal highs seem to possess all the bad effects of the drug they’re supposed to replicate, with few or none of the good things. It’s the same with other legal highs, not just the marijuana equivalents – legal ‘powders’ seem to amount to little more than snorting a comedown and opiates just leave you unable to sleep. I know a few people who smoke salvia on occasion, without ill effect: they all exclaim how ‘MENTAL’ it is, but a 10 minute trip you can’t remember? Sounds pretty pointless.
Maybe my ability to discuss this is hampered by the fact I’ve never tried this shit, but I’d rather just stick to things that I generally know the effects of. Like with all things, just be careful and forewarned of potential dangers, I guess! But legal definitely doesn’t mean safer … but everyone knows that …
I have never had any interest what so ever in legal highs. I honestly believe that you’re more at risk from these than some illegal highs, weed being possibly the safest thing that someone could experiment with.
And @mimic, I get your point on psychotic episodes, and interestingly the only people who I know that this has happened to has happened after years of smoking solid. Now in the uk ( I don’t know about anywhere else?) the solid we get is really disgusting and is generally mixed with plastic and plenty of other disgusting things. And I just remembered that the last time I was in Amsterdam I got some real solid, and interestingly it did make me freak a little, my thoughts were very death orientated. So yeah, probably not gonna smoke that again any time soon. I am always fully aware when my thoughts go awry that I’m high though.
Yeah for me this confirms something that I didn’t ever really want to try in the first place so thanks @eruptionwarranty.
I don’t smoke pot anymore. I use synthetic weed. The stuff I smoke is K2. I usually get the stuff called Gold Rush, Blue Magic, Quake 9.0 or Hollywood Summit. The reason I smoke that is because I get drug tested for my job and that stuff doesn’t show up when they test me. I get both the urine and hair follicle test and have passed. I’m also able to bring this stuff on the airplane without getting any hassle. I prefer smoking pot. I think its healthier than K2, but as long as I have this job, I can’t use it. My job pays me well and is helping me get out of debt, so I’ll use it until I can get out. So far, I haven’t had any negative experiences and I smoke a bowl of this stuff almost every night. In fact, I like to think that I’ve had some great ideas after smoking up. I guess it hits everyone differently.
I must second what O’Reilly said, as I am also a smoker of herbal incense. So far, I have been using regularly for about a month now, and I have not noticed any negative side effects. As a matter of a fact, marijuana use to give me a very groggy and slow feeling after use, while this stuff leaves me feeling much more better.
I must also comment on the high and think processes however. If you are an introvert like me, and you have experimented with weed I encourage you to experiment with this as it can change your perception of “getting high” and make you realize the futility of smoking anything to get “high”.
Pretty good stuff, if anyone wants to try it because its cheaper, easier access to than getting the real thing, or drug test spice can be pretty interesting.
I definitely think its way overhyped (Unless someone can give me some reputable sources, if they have been posted already in this thread and I missed them then I apologize) on being bad, as I have never had a bad trip once.
Although this makes me think, is it possibly because of certain peoples body chemistry that would allow them to be protected against negative effects of synthetic cannabinoids, or perhaps even advantageous? Or perhaps all of what I just mentioned is apart of my own new justification for my placebo I am creating, I can smoke spice because my body is meant to haha!
Well this should teach you a lesson not to do just any new ‘legal’ junk that the head shop is selling…anyone smoking anything synthetic should have to go through some kind of terrible experience, its probably the only way to get it through your thick heads that doing any old crap just to get high is a terrible mistake…might as well huff gas instead, youd probably be safer.
You know theyre already trying to blame the Florida zombie face-eater guys actions on pot, stop giving the media excuses to further demonize it when other areas of the country are making progress in getting it legalized to some degree… by doing so just for your brief buzz of enjoyment, youre hurting the true causes that help benefit others who actually need and require cannabis to reduce their suffering.
@illusionist, Haha I always use the ole “I believe enough that the placebo effect will take care of everything” line to.
It is definetely all about the individual. My couzin has smoke more k than anyone I have ever met “by FFFAAARR”and he’s never had an issue, but my other buddy smoked one of the strongest ones out there one time and tripped so hard that he didn’t know ANYTHING about himself. He kept saying Cody tell me who I am and I was thinking he meant philisophically or something haha. No help from me, but he handled it really well because that was all he said for the whole 15 minute period that he was gone.
Do what you want but make sure your aware that you can get FUCKED UP off just one hit of the strongest brands, so be careful.
Peace & Love
Please dont smoke synthetic THC.
My friend always got it because his parents drug tested him and smoked for two months with no issues at all. I smoked it a few times and i felt perfectly fine.
One time my friend smoked (2 hits from a bong) the spice and had an awful reaction to it. It was probably his 30th time using it (He smoked with the friend that got drug tested very often). He wasnt responding to us, couldnt stand, and had a very slow heart beat and for a couple minutes he couldnt control his movement and lazily moved his legs and arms like he was jogging, except he was laying on his back. It seemed like he noticed and reacted to us talking to him 4 minutes after we talked to him, he was incredibly delayed.
After about 30 minutes of this he began coming back to normal, and he told us he didnt know what was happening for 25 of those minutes.
Its sketchy stuff, just dont do it. I know ill never touch the stuff again after seeing my friend trip out like that. I was incredibly scared and worried about him, for a little bit i was worried for his life and was going to call 911, luckily he showed improvment so i didnt call 911.
Please dont do it. Its really not worth risking your health, or the risk of making your bros stress and think your going to die if you do have a bad reaction.
My friend is always going on about how we must never ever touch Spice, and she’s told us her story of the weird horrifying trip she had on it so many times, I don’t even want to repeat it because I’m kind of sick of it haha. But she’s convinced that the government created spice in order to scare people off weed.
She uses me as an example, because I started off with spice, had some… not so good experiences and refused to try the real stuff for a bit. The highs I had with the synthetic vs the real were like night and day. On spice I had this sad, dementor’s kiss-like experience where everything was sad and people wanted to kill me. That’s on top of the physical symptoms that lasted for a few days (massive headaches, alarmingly fast heart beating, etc). On good ‘ol cannabis, besides being hilariously focused on whatever task I set my mind to, everything was just mellow and pleasant.
I work at a mental health facility, and I get a handful of kids who come in that have been messed up from this stuff. I’m not saying that everyone who uses it will get messed up, but some of the kids who leave, will never be the same again. Some of the kids have gone from being regular functioning to being considered legally developmentally disabled because of a bad reaction to this.