syria before internet shut off.

i’m sorry but that was just disturbing.
To put myself in their shoes, is just unbelievable.
How comfy we are in our little nests we call home with our securities, while people are stripped of their security of their own community. It makes me sad as fuck actually.

Footage like this needs to be in American media sometimes, we get such a steady diet of celebrity news and commercials, people need to see this to remind them what they should be grateful for, but also to see the truth, and the state that other countries are in and feel compelled to help, or at least be engaged in world affairs. Too many people take life for granted. I have hope though.

@manimal, you believe we were created hm?

@cristinelizabeth, It looks like you bought into the whole “stupid crazy rebels just want to fuck things up” lie.

They’re fighting for a reason you know. Fighting oppressive regimes, wherever there’s people trying to oppress and own people (governments) there will be people fighting back. And in these “less developed” nations, common people still have a strong will and fighting spirit, not all dulled out like the ants of the more modern societies.

There are some reasons why so many civilians get killed in rebellions:
1. The people in power use the people as human shields, that includes children.
2. A lot of people are so damn indoctrinated that they willingly fight for the crooked regime (even more so here in the west.)
3. Desperation, the rebels are outnumbered and outgunned, they become desperate and resort to desperate means, and desperate people don’t think straight.
4. A lot of casualties cause BY THE GOVERNMENTS is blamed on the rebels, “history is written by the victors.” Not only are the big forces the deceiftul victors, they also have much more communication and more influence over the media.
Don’t trust that shit.

People rebel because they live under oppressive regimes and they don’t tolerate that.
Syria wasn’t a nice place before these events either yknow. It was as fucked up as it is now. Do you know how ridiculously many people have emigrated from Syria over the last couple of years/decades? A fucking shitton, I live in one of the countries that have taken a lot of them in, and I’ve heard them talking about the conditions they came from.

To be honest, if I’d side with anyone I’d side with the rebels. The governments are the real baddies.

And you think your nation waging war on other nations is for a good cause? Well it’s not, and the so called “peacekeeping” is really terrorism. That’s right, USA are the biggest, baddest terrorists on the planet. Just like Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Napoleon were.
These people are often given a lot of credit for being “great men who built the world, conquered lands for our people, etc.”

But how did they do so? By terrorizing people.

Hell your fucking country is a direct result of terrorism and genocide. Ever heard of Native Americans? You know those people who had the land before you came there, killed them all and took their land?

USA is built on a foundation of terrorism, and have continually been terrorizing both their own people and many other nations ever since.

Like the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq.
Fucking things up for personal gain.

I’m pretty fucking happy and proud that there are still people rebelling, showing how fucked up society really is.

Your peaceful little “American dream” is not one better than the medieval tyrants or feudal Japan.
It’s all a big system of terrorism.

The main component of society IS TERRORISM.

Rebels fight for freedom, they have a just cause, but they fuck up along the way because they’re fucking stupid and outnumbered.

… I have a lot to say, but nothing really to say that matters.

However – this is just fucked up, via BBC:
“The US State Department says the Syrian government cut communications in a sign of its desperation.”

Somehow making it seem that the Syrian government is … desperate? That they are some kind of victim here…

I don’t listen much about the middle east. I don’t know whats biased and what isn’t. Whatever is happening is completely ruled by fear, and in the end, whoever the victor, it will be a net loss for everyone.

@cristinelizabeth, “Can a woman just get some motherfuckin’ peaceful sleep at night” you’re in america, youre probly ok haha. joking aside tho, 4/5 times (America in Chile,etc is the 1/5) there’s a legit reason people rebel. usually because their government is a piece of shit. “rebels” is a very broad term, so you have to think about who these people are. most rebels are just unhappy citizens. Where do they get most of their support, medical, food, shelter, etc.: from other citizens, because they’re on board with changing things. So please don’t assume the rebels are in the wrong here.

it’s funny how the media marginalizes these rebellions (until it’s likely they’ll win like Egypt or Libya) when our country was founded in an incredibly bloody rebellion. The Syrian government is bombing the shit out of cities who are just trying to do business as usual only because this will reduce support for rebels because people prefer going back to normal (shitty government) than continuing any tentative support to a rebellion which could lead to something better (slightly less shitty government), when they have bombs dropped on them.

Don’t lose hope tho. We could go conservative and say that about 75-80% of people in every country of the world want what you want: some motherfuckin’ peaceful sleep and the opportunity to live their life without a bunch of bullshit. that 20% are “PSYCHO FUCKING BEINGS”, assholes, idiots, and tons and tons of narcissists. But we’ve still got numbers. i believe this tumult in the middle east and around the world is people realizing that we don’t have to let a bunch of fucking CHILDREN run the world.

Hope I didn’t misinterpret what you were saying but I apologize in advance anyway.

The problem with most rebellions is that they are united against something that they know they dislike, but have no idea what it is they would like. So they rise up, and remove the ‘evil government,’ and once they succeed they have no idea what to do instead so they just supplant it with another government, which in turn becomes evil (that’s its nature). It’s very tragic, but you almost have to laugh at the absurdity of it all.

@smalls, Exactly, they have no plan, they’re just full of hate. That’s why pretty much all revolutions end up where they began.

@stevenglansberg, The Inca, Maya and Aztec civilizations WERE native Americans yknow. They’re not separate cases at all, it’s one big slaughter.

Tyranny existed before industry. While there is a lot of bad shit to be said about industry, there’s also a lot of good stuff to it, and it’s in no way a root cause to any of the bad stuff.

Sweden aren’t really neutral, never were, that’s a misconception. Technically we were with the Germans in WW2. In the cold war we were helping Nato. We fought in Kosovo. We went with you guys to Afghanistan and Libya. These are a few examples.

There are no neutral nations.

And the country that you’re speaking of where people keep their money is fucking Switzerland, not Sweden. Nobody keeps their money in Sweden because our tax is some of the highest in the world, interest isn’t that high, it’s basically not a good place at all for a rich person to become richer.
Plus, we’re in the far north of Europe, a bit to the east, not the west like you insinuated.

If you don’t know your countries, don’t act like you do.

It’s easy to blame the governments and corporations for what’s wrong, but the commoners are just as responsible.

You let them do it, you let them get away with it, you pump money into their system, you devour their propaganda willingly, etc.
You probably voted for them too, didn’t you?

Even if you don’t do any of that (which is EXTREMELY unlikely,) the vast majority of people do.
That’s the only reason these people have so much power. It is GIVEN to them by the people…

..in exchange for bullshit “rights” and privileges. Being spoonfed, tucked in, and protected.

The commoners are just as selfish and corrupt as the elite, maybe even more.

@cristinelizabeth, It’s easy to blame the governments for all of it, but they’re actually not the only ones responsible.
Society is the sum total of ALL the individuals within it. Society is defined BY the people, not the other way around. People can only be defined by society if they don’t understand what society really is, and they’re not really being shaped by society itself since it’s just a concept that has no will or power, but by other individuals.

It takes two to tango.

People are being babied because that’s what they want. They want to just lay back and get spoonfed and tucked in.
It’s always been like this, some people want power and growth, others want to just lay back and passively receive.
Kind of like the traditional core family principle, an active man who works all day and a passive woman who just stays at home and caters to his needs and desires in exchange for what he earns/takes. Teamwork.

That’s what society is. The governments are the husbands, the people are the wives. Passively laying back and getting fucked. It has its pros and cons to live like this.

If people weren’t so lazy and irresponsible, this could never happen. They would not even consider placing their power in someone else’s hands just to avoid tough decisions and risks.

Comfort and security are the bane of the individual. Not only that, but security is an illusion. Especially when this security is given by another person, as they might turn on you at any given moment, you’re always at their mercy.

People shouldn’t even feel a need/reason to place their lives in other people’s hands if things were ideal. But they do, because the average people are not yet smart and responsible enough to do that.
Because, in all actuality, this is a fair tradeoff, a mutua exhange ofl equal value.
Perceived value that is, not absolute value, but very few people are concerned with absolute value.

People act like animals because the governments treat them like animals? Well the governments treat them like animals because they behave like animals.
It’s a feedback loop, and you can break out of it at any moment. It’s all a matter of choice.

Reactive people will NEVER be free. Their mentality is incompatible with freedom and responsibility. Only the proactive individuals will ever know freedom, because they make their lives instead of having it handed to them.
If you want others to do things for you, don’t expect them to do it your way, they do it their way and you really can’t expect or demand more than that. If you want something done your way you gotta do it yourself.

That’s why society is like it is. Most people want to have things handed to them.
This is not just a result of society, this is what society came from, the very reason society exists.

Yeah things are fucked up today, but it’s just a symptom. People’s mentalities are what’s really behind all of it. And it’s been like that for a long-ass time, millennia. Symptoms grow slowly, gradually, the root cause being around before the first symptoms show up. The longer it goes on, the more intense the symptoms become. But the symptoms are never the cause, just a result, an effect.

Maybe we needed to see how fucked up things get when we live like this. So society being fucked up is not all bad, it’s a great wake up call, it’s 100% undeniable proof that this way of living that’s been the norm for thousands of years inevitably leads to hell on earth.

If you put your life into another person’s lives, they can do what they want with it. If you’re not ok with that you shouldn’t have put your life in their hands in the first place.
As much as it hurts to say this, people who get killed by the tyrants pretty much had it coming. I don’t mean this in a hateful way, it’s a purely logical conclusion.
And as long as we cannot face painful truths, we’re just enslaving ourselves.

What can we do about it?
Well, since it’s a problem stemming from people’s minds, all we can really do is be the change we want to see for this world.

If you truly want freedom, you gotta become fully proactive and make the necessary sacrifices. Don’t hold others responsible for any part of your life. Because that’s what gives them power over you.

If we’re to ever see a world where people are truly at peace and working well together and not suffering… we have to have a populace of fully responsible INDEPENDENT people. Society has to go, sooner or later, it’s a sticky stepping stone that’s now just holding people back.

And the only way we can help establish that is to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
To be independent and proactive. And by teaching others how to do what we do.

That’s why I’m here in the first place…

Peace and love
//Elion