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@manimal, Unfortunately, After reading that I now understand what you are saying. I too, wouldn’t want to live in a sleephead world with people just coming to terms with being property of their government. Why is it the governments nature to make us feel like we are children under surveillance. There is no trust for us between the “protective” governments and the people. So I suppose it’s only a matter of time before someone really just makes everyone aware that we don’t need the government to hold our hands anymore or tie us down. we aren’t barbaric anymore. The government treats people like animals then some people will act like animals back , only with deadly weapons. What would the world be without conflict or rebellion, just a squeaky “Clean” world. I’m not sure what I hope for then, I hope that all of this pondering of thoughts about this subject isn’t a wasteful scenario in my head. That repeats everyday of finding the flaws of society. I find my peace in my sleep, but I don’t get much of it..
@stevenglansberg, Yes this was my viewpoint.
@manimal, it happens because people want to feel like they have control over something. We allow the government to “OWN” a piece of us only because Money is a universal communication and everyone wants money. That doesn’t mean that we are at the mercy of the government, we just allow it to happen.
The situation that syria is in, they literally are at the mercy of rebels. But they continue to go about their daily lives and not giving up. It’s all about someones feelings being hurt. im sure the rebels didn’t get hugged from their mom enough when they were growing up or something and want to make other peoples lives crumble under their own actions.
We change it, (Even though our military s not getting involved because we are still fighting a war that was declared over with some years ago) Not even by military force, But by evacuating the civilians, I mean HOW many empty houses are in the United States. That may be a little out there to do because of how stupidly secure we are about who lives in this country but why are we letting kids get blown up. We should do a world intervention on the rebels and ask them to use their evil doings and all their passion of being a dick, and turn it into bettering the world and being apart of the worlds power. China and America feel like the mocho powers of the world, and the undeveloped countries feel like they aren’t apart of the worlds power order, so they go against it and make their own statement by just blowing shit up cause they don’t care, what do they have to lose?
If we made allies with them, and gave them a chance to be civilized with humanity maybe they would drop the weapons, feel apart of the world, and stop acting like 8 year olds with bombs.
If you have high expectations of someone, they give usually give you high results, This may be me being hopeful, but I know those people causing this chaos aren’t wildabeasts without some sort of level grounding.
idk. :| ha
@cristinelizabeth, It’s easy to blame the governments for all of it, but they’re actually not the only ones responsible.
Society is the sum total of ALL the individuals within it. Society is defined BY the people, not the other way around. People can only be defined by society if they don’t understand what society really is, and they’re not really being shaped by society itself since it’s just a concept that has no will or power, but by other individuals.
It takes two to tango.
People are being babied because that’s what they want. They want to just lay back and get spoonfed and tucked in.
It’s always been like this, some people want power and growth, others want to just lay back and passively receive.
Kind of like the traditional core family principle, an active man who works all day and a passive woman who just stays at home and caters to his needs and desires in exchange for what he earns/takes. Teamwork.
That’s what society is. The governments are the husbands, the people are the wives. Passively laying back and getting fucked. It has its pros and cons to live like this.
If people weren’t so lazy and irresponsible, this could never happen. They would not even consider placing their power in someone else’s hands just to avoid tough decisions and risks.
Comfort and security are the bane of the individual. Not only that, but security is an illusion. Especially when this security is given by another person, as they might turn on you at any given moment, you’re always at their mercy.
People shouldn’t even feel a need/reason to place their lives in other people’s hands if things were ideal. But they do, because the average people are not yet smart and responsible enough to do that.
Because, in all actuality, this is a fair tradeoff, a mutua exhange ofl equal value.
Perceived value that is, not absolute value, but very few people are concerned with absolute value.
People act like animals because the governments treat them like animals? Well the governments treat them like animals because they behave like animals.
It’s a feedback loop, and you can break out of it at any moment. It’s all a matter of choice.
Reactive people will NEVER be free. Their mentality is incompatible with freedom and responsibility. Only the proactive individuals will ever know freedom, because they make their lives instead of having it handed to them.
If you want others to do things for you, don’t expect them to do it your way, they do it their way and you really can’t expect or demand more than that. If you want something done your way you gotta do it yourself.
That’s why society is like it is. Most people want to have things handed to them.
This is not just a result of society, this is what society came from, the very reason society exists.
Yeah things are fucked up today, but it’s just a symptom. People’s mentalities are what’s really behind all of it. And it’s been like that for a long-ass time, millennia. Symptoms grow slowly, gradually, the root cause being around before the first symptoms show up. The longer it goes on, the more intense the symptoms become. But the symptoms are never the cause, just a result, an effect.
Maybe we needed to see how fucked up things get when we live like this. So society being fucked up is not all bad, it’s a great wake up call, it’s 100% undeniable proof that this way of living that’s been the norm for thousands of years inevitably leads to hell on earth.
If you put your life into another person’s lives, they can do what they want with it. If you’re not ok with that you shouldn’t have put your life in their hands in the first place.
As much as it hurts to say this, people who get killed by the tyrants pretty much had it coming. I don’t mean this in a hateful way, it’s a purely logical conclusion.
And as long as we cannot face painful truths, we’re just enslaving ourselves.
What can we do about it?
Well, since it’s a problem stemming from people’s minds, all we can really do is be the change we want to see for this world.
If you truly want freedom, you gotta become fully proactive and make the necessary sacrifices. Don’t hold others responsible for any part of your life. Because that’s what gives them power over you.
If we’re to ever see a world where people are truly at peace and working well together and not suffering… we have to have a populace of fully responsible INDEPENDENT people. Society has to go, sooner or later, it’s a sticky stepping stone that’s now just holding people back.
And the only way we can help establish that is to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
To be independent and proactive. And by teaching others how to do what we do.
That’s why I’m here in the first place…
Peace and love
@cristinelizabeth, It looks like you bought into the whole “stupid crazy rebels just want to fuck things up” lie.
They’re fighting for a reason you know. Fighting oppressive regimes, wherever there’s people trying to oppress and own people (governments) there will be people fighting back. And in these “less developed” nations, common people still have a strong will and fighting spirit, not all dulled out like the ants of the more modern societies.
There are some reasons why so many civilians get killed in rebellions:
1. The people in power use the people as human shields, that includes children.
2. A lot of people are so damn indoctrinated that they willingly fight for the crooked regime (even more so here in the west.)
3. Desperation, the rebels are outnumbered and outgunned, they become desperate and resort to desperate means, and desperate people don’t think straight.
4. A lot of casualties cause BY THE GOVERNMENTS is blamed on the rebels, “history is written by the victors.” Not only are the big forces the deceiftul victors, they also have much more communication and more influence over the media.
Don’t trust that shit.
People rebel because they live under oppressive regimes and they don’t tolerate that.
Syria wasn’t a nice place before these events either yknow. It was as fucked up as it is now. Do you know how ridiculously many people have emigrated from Syria over the last couple of years/decades? A fucking shitton, I live in one of the countries that have taken a lot of them in, and I’ve heard them talking about the conditions they came from.
To be honest, if I’d side with anyone I’d side with the rebels. The governments are the real baddies.
And you think your nation waging war on other nations is for a good cause? Well it’s not, and the so called “peacekeeping” is really terrorism. That’s right, USA are the biggest, baddest terrorists on the planet. Just like Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Napoleon were.
These people are often given a lot of credit for being “great men who built the world, conquered lands for our people, etc.”
But how did they do so? By terrorizing people.
Hell your fucking country is a direct result of terrorism and genocide. Ever heard of Native Americans? You know those people who had the land before you came there, killed them all and took their land?
USA is built on a foundation of terrorism, and have continually been terrorizing both their own people and many other nations ever since.
Like the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq.
Fucking things up for personal gain.
I’m pretty fucking happy and proud that there are still people rebelling, showing how fucked up society really is.
Your peaceful little “American dream” is not one better than the medieval tyrants or feudal Japan.
It’s all a big system of terrorism.
The main component of society IS TERRORISM.
Rebels fight for freedom, they have a just cause, but they fuck up along the way because they’re fucking stupid and outnumbered.
… I have a lot to say, but nothing really to say that matters.
However – this is just fucked up, via BBC:
“The US State Department says the Syrian government cut communications in a sign of its desperation.”
Somehow making it seem that the Syrian government is … desperate? That they are some kind of victim here…
I don’t listen much about the middle east. I don’t know whats biased and what isn’t. Whatever is happening is completely ruled by fear, and in the end, whoever the victor, it will be a net loss for everyone.
@manimal, I know my country and how it came to be, And I know the way that we are. I wasn’t being patriotic in my post, I was speaking out for the civilians that do live there and don’t want apart of it, we have a lot of abandoned living quarters, even for the homeless people too. It’s not my “American Dream” to have people put down their weapons and just communicate with the best interests at hand. I guess if this is what you think society is doomed to then fuck, I don’t want to live. I have little hope for society and that little hope is just my knowledge that everyone wants to be heard, and make an impact in some way so why not for the better.
I am aware of how Fucked government is. But guess what. that’s just how she goes until someone wants to Grow the Balls and stick up for what they know is right. That doesn’t mean fucking shit up with bombs in your city. That’s just saying, i will kill you , and the people until my ass gets wiped. Selfishness. Greed. Manipulation. Power Hungry. PSYCHO FUCKING BEINGS IS THE WORLD I GREW UP IN AND AM TRYING TO THRIVE IN. Can a woman just get some motherfuckin’ peaceful sleep at night
@cristinelizabeth, “Can a woman just get some motherfuckin’ peaceful sleep at night” you’re in america, youre probly ok haha. joking aside tho, 4/5 times (America in Chile,etc is the 1/5) there’s a legit reason people rebel. usually because their government is a piece of shit. “rebels” is a very broad term, so you have to think about who these people are. most rebels are just unhappy citizens. Where do they get most of their support, medical, food, shelter, etc.: from other citizens, because they’re on board with changing things. So please don’t assume the rebels are in the wrong here.
it’s funny how the media marginalizes these rebellions (until it’s likely they’ll win like Egypt or Libya) when our country was founded in an incredibly bloody rebellion. The Syrian government is bombing the shit out of cities who are just trying to do business as usual only because this will reduce support for rebels because people prefer going back to normal (shitty government) than continuing any tentative support to a rebellion which could lead to something better (slightly less shitty government), when they have bombs dropped on them.
Don’t lose hope tho. We could go conservative and say that about 75-80% of people in every country of the world want what you want: some motherfuckin’ peaceful sleep and the opportunity to live their life without a bunch of bullshit. that 20% are “PSYCHO FUCKING BEINGS”, assholes, idiots, and tons and tons of narcissists. But we’ve still got numbers. i believe this tumult in the middle east and around the world is people realizing that we don’t have to let a bunch of fucking CHILDREN run the world.
Hope I didn’t misinterpret what you were saying but I apologize in advance anyway.
i’m sorry but that was just disturbing.
To put myself in their shoes, is just unbelievable.
How comfy we are in our little nests we call home with our securities, while people are stripped of their security of their own community. It makes me sad as fuck actually.
“so called “peacekeeping” is really terrorism”. I agree with you on that. If you mean that “terrorism,” as it is currently portrayed, is just a manufactured excuse to do anything nowadays. All policy, foreign and domestic, is driven by the interests of the very few. And you are absolutely right about the history of america. What can you say about the treatment of Native Americans that would be an understatement? Genocide hits the mark closest. However, let’s not forget the colonization of the Mayans, Incans, and South/Latin Amerca. Same shit. The Western European culture(where’s Sweden again?) that prevailed after the Industrial Revolution shaped the world today, the very fucked up world today. America’s just an offshoot of that, so let’s not get all high and mighty about it.
Let’s not be naive Elion, even though it’s easy. Why is Sweden the perpetually neutral county in every conflict, in every war since the dawn of the 20th century? Could it be because every monumental piece of shit keeps his/her money there?! Because an incredible amount of individuals’ wealth resides there?! Of course not, right?! Let’s blame Islam and America, that seems responsible!
Gotta realize this isn’t about America, Islam, Syria, Sweden, etc., it’s about a bunch of assholes, idiots, and fucking morons that run shit. Ideology, religion, patriotism, etc has nothing to do with it because all of the above mentioned just run with it and make it their own shit soup that everyone eats.
The problem with most rebellions is that they are united against something that they know they dislike, but have no idea what it is they would like. So they rise up, and remove the ‘evil government,’ and once they succeed they have no idea what to do instead so they just supplant it with another government, which in turn becomes evil (that’s its nature). It’s very tragic, but you almost have to laugh at the absurdity of it all.
Footage like this needs to be in American media sometimes, we get such a steady diet of celebrity news and commercials, people need to see this to remind them what they should be grateful for, but also to see the truth, and the state that other countries are in and feel compelled to help, or at least be engaged in world affairs. Too many people take life for granted. I have hope though.
@cristinelizabeth, Without hope, there is very little action, and what little action takes place is detrimental. Of course there’s hope, there’s always hope, circumstances don’t make a person.
But if people really want to be heard and change things… how come they’re not? How come they’re not doing anything about it? How come they choose to do nothing, to keep wasting their time watching tv and shit like that, and keep working shitty jobs making money for the aggressors?
They don’t want to be heard as much as they want to be spoonfed and tucked in.
This “democracy” of the modern world only serves to lull people into a false sense of peace and freedom. There’s no longer kings and emperors ruling with an iron fist, pushing people as far as they can, eventually triggering them to lash back and get rid of the ruler.
No, now we have a sophisticated system of people who keep the power by catering to people’s idiotic desires, letting the idiots “lead,” and the illusion of voting, that you can change things to your liking just by playing along with their game. The concept of rights, so that people will be afraid of losing the rulers. Etc.
Much more effective.
The “peace” that people often talk about comes at a horrible price. To have THAT “peace,” you must give up your freedom and integrity.
It’s just like heroin, people trying to escape into an artificial peace, at a horrible price.
Spoonfed and tucked in.
As much as I detest war, I’d rather have a world at war than a world put under an artificial veneer of peace induced by police states.
Yes, most of these people are relentless psychos who will do anything that they think might get them closer to their goals. But so are the governments, and technically also the commoners.
As horrible as these rebels often are, in the big picture the results of their madness is positive, because it serves to balance out the governments a bit. Not much, but it’s pretty much all that’s standing in between the governments and world dominion.
Because the commoners are too damn cowardly and lazy to do something about it.
It’s like two trenches, each one holding a team of psychos, battling eachother.
The civilian casualties are people who stood right in between the two.
As much as it hurts to say this, they did choose to put themselves in the line of fire.
If you want to sleep well at night, make sure there’s no blood on YOUR hands. Because if you’re anything like normal people, there is, quite some stains.
Either make it right, or distance yourself from it.
Action A or action B. Standing in between is what causes lack of sleep.
If you’re not taking part in the war and not supporting either side, your hands are clean. No need to feel bad about it.
But if you really want things to be better, MAKE it so.
But to do that, you need to raise your spirits, get your hope back. This is just a matter of thoughts.
@cristinelizabeth, There are no birthrights. Security is given by other individuals. If you take it, you are at their mercy. Whoever you rely on owns part of you. That’s sadly just how we were created.
Ever wonder why these things happen? It’s really sad, but WHY does it happen? What’s the ROOT cause? How do people end up in situations like that?
How do we change it?
@smalls, Exactly, they have no plan, they’re just full of hate. That’s why pretty much all revolutions end up where they began.
@stevenglansberg, The Inca, Maya and Aztec civilizations WERE native Americans yknow. They’re not separate cases at all, it’s one big slaughter.
Tyranny existed before industry. While there is a lot of bad shit to be said about industry, there’s also a lot of good stuff to it, and it’s in no way a root cause to any of the bad stuff.
Sweden aren’t really neutral, never were, that’s a misconception. Technically we were with the Germans in WW2. In the cold war we were helping Nato. We fought in Kosovo. We went with you guys to Afghanistan and Libya. These are a few examples.
There are no neutral nations.
And the country that you’re speaking of where people keep their money is fucking Switzerland, not Sweden. Nobody keeps their money in Sweden because our tax is some of the highest in the world, interest isn’t that high, it’s basically not a good place at all for a rich person to become richer.
Plus, we’re in the far north of Europe, a bit to the east, not the west like you insinuated.
If you don’t know your countries, don’t act like you do.
It’s easy to blame the governments and corporations for what’s wrong, but the commoners are just as responsible.
You let them do it, you let them get away with it, you pump money into their system, you devour their propaganda willingly, etc.
You probably voted for them too, didn’t you?
Even if you don’t do any of that (which is EXTREMELY unlikely,) the vast majority of people do.
That’s the only reason these people have so much power. It is GIVEN to them by the people…
..in exchange for bullshit “rights” and privileges. Being spoonfed, tucked in, and protected.
The commoners are just as selfish and corrupt as the elite, maybe even more.