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paul_g (@paulg)    3 years, 4 months ago

do we have one already? if yes, please enlighten :) otherwise: yes i know internet petitions can be a pain (though i like ‘em). but here we could contain it in one place and who don’t like it don’t click on it.. sounds reasonable? actually, i subscribe to what i find important, so i’m covered. but i figured this one might hit a nerve here:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_herbal_medicine_ban

*In 3 days, the EU will ban much of herbal medicine*, pressing more of us to take pharmaceutical drugs that drive the profits of big Pharma. The EU Directive erects high barriers to any herbal remedy that hasn’t been on the market for 30 years — including *virtually all Chinese, Ayurvedic, and African traditional medicine*. It’s a draconian move that helps drug companies and ignores thousands of years of medical knowledge. *We need a massive outcry* against this.

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Martin Walsh (@kakistos)3 years, 4 months ago ago

Em, is there any specific list of the substances being banned and why? just because a shop prints “alternative” on the label doesn’t make it safe. in the 80′s they used amphetamines as diet pills. last year there were a couple of kids here in ireland that died using a perfectly legal, herbal drug that was available in headshops and alternative medicine shops sold without regulation. sure the kids are to blame too, i’m not one of these people that nods along with all decisions. but if a substance has the potency to kill someone in relatively small doses then it needs to be legally controlled.

The wide ban on “alternative medicines” from africa asia etc is down to the fact that its impossible to regulate all of these substances produced through means unknown in conditions unknown with no guarantee of quality other than these countries corruptible safety systems. In china for example medications that we can only get by prescription are available over the counter and would easily be rebranded as “alternative medicine”.

My ex girlfriends mother for example (chinese) brought me a cream for the dermatitis that i had on my hands, made with herbal extract of jinseng (totally innocuous right?). I checked out the label, one of the ingrediants was dextramethosone, 25 times more powerful than hydrocortisone (the strongest topical steroid cream available without prescription). Used it, burned like fuck, did work a treat though, but thats hardly the point.

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Alex Eastman (@alex)3 years, 4 months ago ago

I’m telling Jordan about this idea! We could have a whole section of the site devoted to petitions.

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Alex Eastman (@alex)3 years, 4 months ago ago

I’ll give Paul G props of course :)

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paul_g (@paulg)3 years, 4 months ago ago

martin: all very good points, true. and even if you have no toxic substances added intentionally, they can still be grown in places where the soil is heavily polluted. at the same time, you do meet a lot of people who have been helped by nothing but (responsible) chinese medicine. i’m not too dogmatic about that specific petition, so just google around. personally, i’d never get my cure from a headshop, but from someone who is well-versed in (responsible) chinese herbal medicine. and sure, you do have scandals and accident. think thalidomide. i guess the hard part is finding a good way to prevent them that doesn’t harm too much the stuff that works.

edit: thanks alex :) IMO for petitions a topic-stream should be enough, they often expire quickly..

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