The influence of the military (marine) life.

2 years, 5 months ago

Im a relatively new marine, and lately ive been trying to take controll of what and how things are affecting me. Im finding it increasingly difficult to follow who i really want to be when im constantly being supressed and not given alot of time for myself. I just want to know if anyone has any first hand experience or advice for me that can help me deal with the growing list of problems im having with my personal development.
Thanks!

August 5, 2012 at 9:42 pm

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

The military does not want you to evolve. It wants you to stay exactly as you are while it molds you to what it wants you to be. Their codes and structure make this obvious and for the most part inevitable as long as you subject yourself to it.

Perhaps this could be too blanket for someone’s taste, but I feel it’s quite say-able that truly evolved persons would not approve of a military’s existence and actions, much less join it.

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Profile photo of Bobby Bobby (@bobbylloydxd) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

Move to canada. Try to figure out what drove you to sign up for something like that. You are putting yourself in position to kill people and possibly be killed. Both for silly reasons. There are so many beautiful things you can do with your life. I hope you don’t do it. I will pray for you tonight.
I almost signed up for the marines when I was 18 year old. I think that my thought process was driven by an extreme amount of undeserved confidence that comes with being a big shot high school jock. I used my confidence as a mask to cover up my fear of the world. I felt that I needed to learn how to kill and dominate those who threatened me because I was afraid of them. Of course I don’t remember fearing them but I feel that I most likely was.
I’m extremely glad that I didn’t join. I hope that you don’t
Here is a video made by a group of iraq veterans, they wanted people like you to see it.

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Profile photo of Kaataa Kaataa (@kaataa) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

If you’re wanting to make yourself into who you want to be then you shouldn’t have joined the Marines. By joining the military you’re allowing them to make you into who THEY want you to be. What they’re doing doesn’t make them good or bad, it’s just how things work. You should understand what you’re signing up for before you join the military.

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

Would YOU prefer being approached by invading practical action-taking soldiers or invading quixotic windbags.
No more need be said.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@nightowl, And surely someone who is ‘truly evolved’ such as yourself would realize that rarely is anything black and white. Also, educate yourself. If you really think that the military molds you into 100% of what they want, you are ill informed. There is a difference between becoming disciplined, and being molded into a brainwashed zombie (this does happen to some people, don’t get me wrong). The military is always pushing you to go to college and use your benefits. I sincerely do not wish to come off as condescending, friend. But I find that the people that are 100% against people who join the military know nothing about it. It doesn’t make you a bad person if you join. Not everyone who joins will see combat or kill someone, in fact, roughly 1 in 5 jobs in the military are directly combat related. Are the doctors who join the military bad people? What about the medics and corpsman?

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@drakonerythros, don’t make poor assumptions about me or what I’m saying about myself or anyone else.
I was almost a Marine… I saw it for what it was, and couldn’t bear to allow them to delude myself. This was well before I considered myself evolving, as I don’t yet consider myself “evolved”, for there’s no final goal is there?
One of my interns for my recording studio was Air Force full terms before he came to me.
One of my best friends was a full-term honorable discharge sniper, in Afghan the whole time.
I hear it from the peeps themselves.
I know enough.

@mercurial, why in God’s name are you talking about sunglasses and free market. Whatever.

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Profile photo of Ryan Johnsen Ryan Johnsen (@ryanjohnsen) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

I knew it was a good idea to put this topic up there. its really not as brainwashing as they say it is. In bootcamp i was really observant and watched others negative behaviors actions and primitive behavior. I adjusted according to what i didnt want to be but the constant stress and fear of punishment did some negative things to my minds and habbits of thinking(which is what im trying to change into something positive..somehow). people like me here are rare which is why i need some more HE time and influence. All of your input is appreciated :)

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@ryanjohnsen, that’s very strong and mindful of you, great job. I’m sure you realized few soldiers have such wakefulness in relation to those who do not.

“It’s not as brainwashing as they say it is” is a very difficult statement to address… who is they and how brainwashing do they say it is? I don’t feel that it is blatantly brainwashing per se. I recognize that military does not only not cultivate such wakefulness as yours, but bonzais it in whatever passable ways that they can. Most of this is subtle, and contained within an environ of extreme tunnel-vision regarding military dogma and purpose.

Remember that most persons that join the military already bought into its illusions that seem to necessitate its existence, and so the most primal levels of mind-inducement aren’t necessary to create, simply to cultivate and build upon.

The military uses what it defines as “psy-ops” for many ends, collectively moving to continue its own existence, and necessitate its lifestyle which so many thousands lean on as reality when in fact it is all based on delusion. Though “officially” it does not, the knowledge it has that allows it to do this is embedded in every practice they perform, and this is clear.

Psy-Ops, according to D.O.D.:

“are intended to “convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator’s objectives.”

“Any form of communication in support of national objectives designed to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes, or behavior of any group in order to benefit the sponsor, either directly or indirectly.”

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Profile photo of Ben Ben (@cognizantelephant) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@ryanjohnsen, I’m curious, why do you want to be a marine?

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Profile photo of Ryan Johnsen Ryan Johnsen (@ryanjohnsen) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@cognizantelephant, first of all i joined for alot of reasons. Mainly self exploration, to escape my bubble, and personal reasons. My biggest fear is that i lose my life to a cause i dont believe in, also i would hate to waist my positive influence on the world by doing this..
Yep! most people here are primitive but fortunantly the school im at puts me with alot of the more intellegent marines. Also the way we treat our “superiors” is so unnatural, i get in trouble all the time for being to casual to them lol.
I think i made a good choice..so far. Idk what my future holds, all i know is i gotta keep positive and keep learning and growing.
Oh, and “they” are just the stereotypes that are out there that are usually true.

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Profile photo of Ben Ben (@cognizantelephant) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@ryanjohnsen That’s cool dude. I too would like my life to not be wasted, but really we all want that lol. In all seriousness though, there’s not a lot of self exploration on the battlefield man. You’re not going to learn about life or the amazing things in it, well maybe depending on your branch. You sound like a young dude, I just don’t think jumping in this would really be the best move as interesting as it might sound. Don’t get the vibe I’m telling you how you should live your life, but know that there’s more in life than putting everything you got in someone else’s hands.

Do you have family in the military?

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Profile photo of Ryan Johnsen Ryan Johnsen (@ryanjohnsen) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

Well yea, i dont want to kill anyone. Im an electrician for the marines, which means i may be going to afghanastan. Even tho i hope with all my heart that i dont have to see the worst this world has to offer, i think it will motivate me to no end to do everything in my power to help the world and the condition its in. Its one thing to talk about it my whole life but without the discipline and motivation im getting from the marine corps, i wouldnt have the nessesary things i would need to help the world. I risked my life to create all these new bridges to hopefully find one worth travelling. I am young and niave, but im trying my best to gain as much widom and become a better person. So i ask upon the HE members (a link to the vast knowledge of the ultimate reality) to help me along. So feel free to constructively critisize me (also my dad was in the marines for one term)

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