The Origin of Moods
Where or what causes our moods? Emotions come from where?
Personally I hate the scientific answer of "chemicals in the brain", and though it is more realist, it’s not romantic, aesthetic, artist. I like to think my emotions mean something other then chemicals fizzing in my thinking box- I think of something more ‘color’.
(English just doesn’t have the right words I’m looking for. ‘Color’ I mean a flowing array of identity radiating from the physical origin of the body, it’s music like lines on a staff of sheet music, like playing the saxophone the colors blaring out of the bell swelling and shrinking at every note and tone.) I don’t know, speak and be heard.
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“This fear is our fuel for systematically constructing an identity from outside sources, like science, religion and media, thus depriving us from creating one ourselves.”
^That’s all I’m saying Martijn : ) the lengthy posts were an attempt to assert what you’ve just said. I’m not denying the animal nature of human begins, quite the contrary. I am also not ruling out the virtue and ability of the evolved human mind to transcend binary and intellectual limitation.
@ka that book sounds amazing. i might order it on amazon and join you in this project. as a woman i feel totally enveloped in my emotions so much that it is as if im under water and just swim around in them. being aware of them as they come up would provide me perhaps a better grip, and help me from sliding downwards which i tend to do at times.
Dick. i agree with you about the moods.that they are a reaction from the past, they are something like the clothes that the emotion wears. it is the action of the emotion.
it is a bummer if people get all moody and ruin the ambiance of a household, perhaps they indeed do it to get attention or sometimes they cant help it. like morning moods.
how many of you have that.
dont talk to me before my coffee and all that.
personally im fine in the morning but i know some people who arent!
^That is true, but don’t devalue their function. Your thoughts and emotions are the fuel which attract your experiences; people with a negative mindset attract nothing but proof to validate their thinking. The opposite is true of positive thinkers.
The real power extracted from this lesson is that YOU ARE IN FULL CONTROL of your thoughts, emotions and actions. Instead of passively recognizing this, CHOOSE to put them to use for your highest desires, and watch what happens : )
The concept of Jesus is another mood generator based on expectation (read faith). It’s a beaut because regardless of outcome your expectations are still met. There’s a lot of power there. That would apply to any religion. Something to think about…
Let’s keep on topic folks ;)
So you already know the answer to the question you asked. You already have a logical, rational, empirical explanation and its just not good enough because it lacks hippie bull.
Emotions are thetans from Xenu Galactic Ruler of the Galactic confederacy. You see your emotions were originally souls that were unloaded from Boeing-747′s stacked into volcanoes and blown up with nuclear bombs. Said ‘sploded souls then attached to the spinal cords of apes, like some messed up larval creature from the Necromonicon.
Seeing how I’ve lost all faith in humanity, I’m gonna go headbutt a bullet.
@chris Synesthesia are not just chemicals in the brain, its the whole body acting as a coherent sense organ.
As a philosophy student myself i would recommend reading someone else than bertrand russell if you ever want to understand the limits of language and the landscape of perception. Phenomenology (merleau-ponthy is a good place to start) for instance deals with a much wider scope of experience as it is.
Also, your view on skepticism is quite limited, check out hegel if interested (all big philosophers after him were responding to his work)
I have noticed that while thoughts and emotions tend to influence one another, you can indeed regain full control by starting a string of positive thoughts. I’ve prevented a panic attack on several occasions (when I was still dealing with anxiety issues) merely by reminding myself I can choose how to think and feel in regards to anything in life; this is a very empowering truth.
@Ka; exactly! Transcending negative emotions by first understanding what they are alerting you to, then reaching a positive state because of your understanding. This is the purpose of negative emotions; to alert you to “holes” in your awareness or perception until you understand. Ever since I realized this, not only do I have negative emotions less and less, but I’m more aware of their function, and thus can stay more level headed, when they do arise.
I thought about this one for a while too Danny. Actually before it bothered me a lot, I mean it really bothered me. I didn’t like that I was just experiencing chemical changes in my body in the response to certain stimuli. But. Without those chemicals, we would not feel. We would not be able to experience this world or even care about it. It’s part of our nature to have these chemicals. “We are star dust, contemplating stars”, it’s all part of the magic of the way everything works. science, and I don’t know why it can’t be poetic too.
I’m lost on what we are disagreeing on here. My original comment said “Why does the fact that our emotions may be nothing but chemical reactions have to de-value our experience of them?”
which does not sound like passive recognition to me, but the opposite.
@Chris, I’m not trying to be condescending at all. I’m just saying what I perceive from you. I used to be exactly like you but I’ve learned some things along the way that made me see the bigger picture and I said all this because I thought it might be useful for your growth (of course, this is from my own point of view; I may be the one who needs to grow, not you :) ). Anyway, I’ll end here.
Regarding moods, it’s interesting that some days I wake up full of life and enthusiasm and other days I feel like crap. And this happens the moment I open my eyes. I am trying to see a pattern here so I can find the cause but at the moment, the moods I am in when I wake up seem completely random. I sleep well, I have no negative thoughts, I have no stress, but still, some days are good and some are bad right from the start. There definitely has to be a cause (physical or more subtle).
wow both ka and jason you are amazing.
ive been meditating for 25 years now, im still working on this. im a baby still compared to you guys.
it is super hard for me, cuz im a woman maybe and so emotional.
but i do get less intensly hysteric now. infact hardly ever, but i do have a hardcore anxiety which is so deep and underlying most of the time. esp at nite.
for me, as i see thoughts and emotions in colors and shapes it is hard to have any control over them. they just appear in the Movie screen of my mind. i make attempts to shut the projector down. or get ontop of it and put new images in, but i find that is so artificial.
i guess the best way is to do the deep breathing, then they slow down and become softer, even if there is an underlying nasty grundge bubbling up. like muck in a water bed.
how do you guys control them?? Jason how do your for example turn your thoughts to positive. do you start to sing. THESE ARE A FEW OF MY FAVORITE THINGS??
The problem lies the fact that if you take objective knowledge as who you really are, you stop looking how you actually feel, shortcutting every moment of your live because it’s just ‘chemicals’. Or Aliens.
We aren’t disagreeing at all Ellie, I was merely elaborating on my own point. You are correct; saying our emotions are chemicals is like saying our shoes are just leather and lace; what’s the value of that? I’m wearing black socks right now; so what? What are you going to DO with them? That was my point!
My point was that it’s passive if you allow it to effect your decision making rather than putting it to use. Hammer-minded intellectuals love to state facts arrogantly, falsely assuming that science has preeminence over everything, and that by sticking with science, they are intellectually invincible. THAT was my whole point in all of this! I apologize for the confusion : )
@Chris; I absolutely hear you on that one. I’ve been trying very hard to correlate causes with my next-day-moods, and I’m still searching! I have similar occurrences; I eat extremely healthy (all whole foods, pastas/grains, eggs, fruit and veggies, water) and exercise daily, and I am very conscious of my mental, emotional and physical state.
Despite all of this, there are days where I still wake up feeling negative for no reason; I have noticed my mood becomes more sensitive during full moons; I think I am just very empathic and receptive to fields. This negative state doesn’t last very long however, as I can usually “reverse” it by focusing on the opposite polarity emotion for several minutes.