The Origin of Moods

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John OMallen (@omallen)    2 years, 6 months ago

Where or what causes our moods? Emotions come from where?
Personally I hate the scientific answer of "chemicals in the brain", and though it is more realist, it’s not romantic, aesthetic, artist. I like to think my emotions mean something other then chemicals fizzing in my thinking box- I think of something more ‘color’.
(English just doesn’t have the right words I’m looking for. ‘Color’ I mean a flowing array of identity radiating from the physical origin of the body, it’s music like lines on a staff of sheet music, like playing the saxophone the colors blaring out of the bell swelling and shrinking at every note and tone.) I don’t know, speak and be heard.

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Dick (@dick)2 years, 6 months ago ago

Another way I look at it is that mood is a product of expectation. If you expect something to go one way and it does, you are happy; if it does not, you are unhappy. We create our own expectations, and thus the consequent mood.
Look how people attach an expectation to the weather and let it affect their mood.

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Chris (@comicsanmc)2 years, 6 months ago ago

I got a new wallpaper outta this discussion, baller.

@Ka

Not sure if that tone is confidence or condescension.

I was foolish enough to waste half my life on the thought that I’d live forever if I just loved Jesus enough.

I won’t waste the other half on blind faith again.

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John OMallen (@omallen)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Chris
Love Jesus enough? I’m confused by your statement, please elaborate; because I can swear to you that one needs not to EARN or BUY Jesus’s love, as we have that, it is His will for us to follow His commandments.

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Dick (@dick)2 years, 6 months ago ago

The concept of Jesus is another mood generator based on expectation (read faith). It’s a beaut because regardless of outcome your expectations are still met. There’s a lot of power there. That would apply to any religion. Something to think about…
Let’s keep on topic folks ;)

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Ka (@kaciula)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Chris, I’m not trying to be condescending at all. I’m just saying what I perceive from you. I used to be exactly like you but I’ve learned some things along the way that made me see the bigger picture and I said all this because I thought it might be useful for your growth (of course, this is from my own point of view; I may be the one who needs to grow, not you :) ). Anyway, I’ll end here.

Regarding moods, it’s interesting that some days I wake up full of life and enthusiasm and other days I feel like crap. And this happens the moment I open my eyes. I am trying to see a pattern here so I can find the cause but at the moment, the moods I am in when I wake up seem completely random. I sleep well, I have no negative thoughts, I have no stress, but still, some days are good and some are bad right from the start. There definitely has to be a cause (physical or more subtle).

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Jason (@thinknowlivenow)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Chris; I absolutely hear you on that one. I’ve been trying very hard to correlate causes with my next-day-moods, and I’m still searching! I have similar occurrences; I eat extremely healthy (all whole foods, pastas/grains, eggs, fruit and veggies, water) and exercise daily, and I am very conscious of my mental, emotional and physical state.

Despite all of this, there are days where I still wake up feeling negative for no reason; I have noticed my mood becomes more sensitive during full moons; I think I am just very empathic and receptive to fields. This negative state doesn’t last very long however, as I can usually “reverse” it by focusing on the opposite polarity emotion for several minutes.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 6 months ago ago

bio rythyms i think it is called guys. it all boils down to that.
i mean it sure explains it. you can graph it out. make a smiley on the calender of how you felt when you woke up. see if there is a rhythm going on here

@danny lowell T
i love how you explained that sax music . i always see sax music like that, in colors all riveting out , all golden. and the piano music is like small white clear blocks up in the sky, and the bass is dark purple and often looks like a trellis with the notes climbing all up and down.and the drums… in the back of my head, just there holding it all togheter.
music is so beautiful. you can tell us all about your visions, if your friends dont understand we here at HE are grooving on them Dan. i paint music like this, so did KADINSKY. check him out. his paintings from 1920 look like your vision. this is not new or wierd. it is ART>

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 6 months ago ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiB4Mfki7s&feature=fvst

Danny Lowell t. this ones for you kid…. listen to it in the dark and report back to the stonedragon!

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Ka and @Jason

“This negative state doesn’t last very long however, as I can usually “reverse” it by focusing on the opposite polarity emotion for several minutes.”

Do you think this is a good thing to do? I am inclined to think that it’s better to accept it, and go deeper into it, than to react to it and make it disappear?

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Jason (@thinknowlivenow)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Martijn; your assertion is correct, but it’s actually more complex than that. There is a big difference between blindly reacting to your emotions, and becoming consciously aware of them as they arise. With the latter, I am able to stop myself in the present moment and become consciously aware of my temporary emotional bias. Then, I can decide how to continue. Every situation is different, but I strongly advocate the questioning of ALL negative emotions that arise. Negative emotions are like alarms; there is no need to keep them blaring after you figure out what they are alerting you to.

I think you may have misunderstood my point on the last page Martijn, which is totally understandable. I am not “cutting off” my negative emotions, nor am I simply letting them take their course; these are two extremes of a pole. The only thing that is a reaction is the emotional impulse in the first place; without conscious awareness of your emotional state, you become a passive machine.

I don’t care WHO argues with me on this, YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL unless you can steer your mental and emotional state at will. If I can piss you off by saying something, and you consequently react negatively towards me about it, I am in control of you. This is precisely how the news and media can get millions of people to participate in things that are nothing but detrimental to their well being.

Every action you will ever take is sparked by an emotional impulse. Everything from deciding what to have for lunch to how you would react if you just got into a car accident; emotions are the fuel for actions, and thus our experiences. You can argue that your thoughts are what get you moving, but your thoughts always “pass the ball” to the emotional centers immediately after. You might want to make pasta for lunch, only to realize that “I’m too tired” or “I don’t feel like it” shortly after ; )

People who think with a hammer always miss this point because they get lost in an infinite loop of reductionism. They will say things like “Well that’s not entirely true, because our emotions are responsible for our evolutionary survival, etc” or “Not everyone reacts the same way, so emotions are subjective” which is absolutely true, but completely ignores the influence of freewill choice.

Without freewill choice, all thoughts, emotions and consequently actions are all passive. Therefore, that which controls your thought patterns consequently controls your prevalent emotional state, and what actions you will feel capable of taking…unless you consciously intervene.

I always reduce it down to the three elements of thought, emotion and action, because nearly everything falls under those three “umbrella” categories in terms of dynamic experience. If you can consciously focus on positive thoughts, your physical body is going to start “picking up” on the cues, and mirror your conscious intent. Then, you’re going to find yourself excited to take action, where as before you were temporarily handicapped by apathy, indecision, depression, etc. Everything begins with choice.

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Ka (@kaciula)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Martijn, What I wanted to say is that I don’t run from negative emotions but I want to investigate them and find the root of the problem. Or maybe to learn to let those emotions flow through me and not have them affect me for a longer period than it has to. I don’t want to suppress them, but transcend them in a way. In the end, we all want to be at peace (happy). Even the act of accepting is based on the idea that if I accept it, it will go away.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Ka Even the act of accepting is based on the idea that if I accept it, it will go away.

But then it’s not really accepting right? Because that idea is conditional: I will accept this ONLY when it will go away.

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Karsus (@karsus)2 years, 6 months ago ago

Its probably better to ask what purpose emotions/moods serve in animals. They are a primitive sort of way to handle life situations and the attitude you should be taking towards things. A collection of active biases. Also, a communication tool of sorts to help you deal with people who use similar approaches.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 6 months ago ago

i guess we can have a thought, it stems from an emotion which is deeper inside us. the thought is the voice of the emotion and the mood is our genergal reaction to the whole thing.
looking at it, seeing it for what it is, deciding to go on with it, or cut it.
that is our free will at every given instance. but are we capable of such control.
we can learn a lot about ourselfs by looking at this point.

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Jason (@thinknowlivenow)2 years, 6 months ago ago

I have noticed that while thoughts and emotions tend to influence one another, you can indeed regain full control by starting a string of positive thoughts. I’ve prevented a panic attack on several occasions (when I was still dealing with anxiety issues) merely by reminding myself I can choose how to think and feel in regards to anything in life; this is a very empowering truth.

@Ka; exactly! Transcending negative emotions by first understanding what they are alerting you to, then reaching a positive state because of your understanding. This is the purpose of negative emotions; to alert you to “holes” in your awareness or perception until you understand. Ever since I realized this, not only do I have negative emotions less and less, but I’m more aware of their function, and thus can stay more level headed, when they do arise.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 6 months ago ago

wow both ka and jason you are amazing.
ive been meditating for 25 years now, im still working on this. im a baby still compared to you guys.
it is super hard for me, cuz im a woman maybe and so emotional.
but i do get less intensly hysteric now. infact hardly ever, but i do have a hardcore anxiety which is so deep and underlying most of the time. esp at nite.
for me, as i see thoughts and emotions in colors and shapes it is hard to have any control over them. they just appear in the Movie screen of my mind. i make attempts to shut the projector down. or get ontop of it and put new images in, but i find that is so artificial.
i guess the best way is to do the deep breathing, then they slow down and become softer, even if there is an underlying nasty grundge bubbling up. like muck in a water bed.
how do you guys control them?? Jason how do your for example turn your thoughts to positive. do you start to sing. THESE ARE A FEW OF MY FAVORITE THINGS??

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Ka (@kaciula)2 years, 6 months ago ago

@Martijn, Mostly I “accept” everything that happens to me but I can’t 100% trust the fact that i am purely accepting it without the subconscious motivation to make it go away. That’s why I’m working on my awareness so I can catch very subtle subconscious motivations.

Another way of looking at it is that everything that happens is already accepted by reality, even your unacceptance. So no point in fighting it but marvel at the complexity of existence. ;)

@stonedragon, babies are awesome so enjoy being one :).

I really don’t have a lot of emotions coming up so I can’t help you here. It seems that my emotional state is almost a flat line. I think I’m becoming too chill :) What I did in the past is to run as fast as I could from them. Now I’m trying to be with the emotion and dive into it (by breathing and being in the present) but I catch myself trying to change the persons or events around me in order to get rid of the emotion. The fix is not outside but inside. These last few days I keep hoping a negative emotion comes over me so I can analyze it but nothing seems to pop up. I need to interact more in the world so I can trigger those.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 6 months ago ago

ka . call an ex girlfriend up and see what comes up emotionwise!!

my ex just called up and i was very interested to see how that effected me emotionally. it is subtile for sure, and sometimes not so subtile. later you can get a backlash from something that happened earlier and go into a bad mood. upon examining it ..oh yes that phone call must have done it.
that kind of thing.

i guess the silva mind program is working on you.
be happy you dont have many emotions.
dont try to create drama in your life. swim in sweet calm water!

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