The philosophy of freedom.
Dear lord, we are gathered here today to discuss why you made shit so mysterious.
I’ve been reading up on some classical philosophers and politicians, plato, socrates, etc.
I have come to a paradox. The perfect existence (under any rule(r)) would have absolute freedom. This is the absolute ideal, right? This not only propagates the individual’s potential, but in doing so, also creates the populous’ potential exponentially greater.
Yet what is absolute freedom? The instant paradox is this:
I have absolute freedom and so do you.
I kill you.
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@tangledupinplaid21, I’m curious, did you read my response, because if you didn’t, we think very much alike. However, I stand by my assertion that if absolute freedom is impossible, then all freedom is impossible.
I think in order to have perfect existence there needs to be a radical change within ourselves, not the ruler, or anyone outside of you.
Like Caitlin said, there needs a certain level of wisdom in society, and a powerful underlying feeling of peace in everyone. There needs to be a change in consciousness.
We need a ruler in our current state otherwise everything will go to shit. When we achieve a collective level of peace in co-existence, then we can maybe not have a “ruler”, who tells us what to do, but a “figure head” who redirecets the collective opinion.
Right now we are not suitable to make a collective opinion to either help run the country or to make decisions based on a collective whole, as people are still acting like children who need to learn to love, live and respect one another.
that is an interesting question. In fact, in a totally free world you might want to chose to kill someone. And that person might also chose not to be killed by you. So then, what? We have to perhaps conclude that absolute freedom is impossible. On the other hand, there might be what people consider parallel realities (even parallel universes). You could kill someone in your reality, whereas this person is not killed by you in their own reality. I know this concept is hard to grasp. However, we KNOW (through science), that what we perceive as our reality is just a figment of our imagination produced by our minds, which translates electrical signals into sensory perceptions. The reality we “see” isn’t there at all. It is all just energy swirling around, perceived through our limited sensory organs, and then interpreted by the brain.
Only reality itself has absolute freedom and, as proof, it chooses to be what it is right now ;)
On a more human level, I think it’s more productive to think in terms of degrees of freedom. Thinking in dual terms (absolute freedom and slavery) isn’t conducive to growth. And out of all types of freedom, the freedom inside yourself is by far the greatest thing to achieve. You can be chained and tortured for 20 years but, in the meanwhile, you can have the freedom to choose your internal life, such as to be filled with ecstasy and appreciation of life and to fantasize about making love with the torturer. :)
Freedom is something of a made up concept. I want to be free to fly through the air, or to breathe underwater, or to live from now until the end of the universe. Can I do any of these things? No, I am bound by the laws of nature and science, and nothing I ever do will change that. I can use the laws of science to make certain alterations; I can make a machine that will let me fly, or a device to breathe underwater, and maybe I can build a monument that will carry my name for thousands of years. But they are all cheap substitutes. The laws of nature cannot be broken by any mortal being. This is absolute, and if freedom on this scale is impossible, then freedom on any level is impossible.
So the real question is this: If freedom is just a figment of human imagination, is there any reason to contemplate it? It gives us hope to think about being free, but what will we do when that hope is inevitability crushed? Is it better to hang our heads and trudge through life in a dreary fugue?
The key to me it seems is to rework the human understanding. That we crave freedom is fine, but we must learn to find happiness in our slavery to the universe as well. This seems entirely probable. After all, you’re only as free as your mind is.