Theory on the Universe

@sonofsaul, Yeah it’s true that infinite does not come from finite – but that’s not what I was saying – what i was saying was, to put it simple, this: finite x infinite = infinite. This is true! :)
Also I get what you are saying about humans being finite, but that’s only true if you truly believe that humans are seperate from everything else or that everything else is finite as well. And even the amount of different ideas we could potentially get would be infinite.
Also it may be true that humans are finite and as such will only get a finite amount of ideas – but humans are also just a small part of the universe, a spec of dust really- so perhaps we should just be looking at sentient beings in general, Or consciousness, which must be energy which matter is somewhat equal to.

@sirensetmefree, I do believe in objective truths – and i get what you are saying – i feel the same, it’s just the only way we can truly think of each other as equals – I mean five hundred years ago everybody KNEW that the earth was flat – it was almost an objective truth. so just imagine what we “know” now right? :D it’s just important to acknowledge your own limitations, but it really is a difficult balance to give yourself enough credit for people to think that you even believe in yourself and at the same time give space for other opinions. anyways I actually agree with you when you say that it’s a given fact that when you say something – that’s the way you see it and others may believe something else, it’s just that not everyone is equally aware of that – it would be very nice if you could simply cut the prefixes like IMO out, but we just need to keep it in mind – especially on the internet where we can’t read the other person like we can in person.

In regards to the latter paragraph I see what you are saying, but I will still argue that even though one person or all humans being finite and all can’t make up infinite ideas – but the array of different outcomes that could potentially be the result of them combining ideas and experiences IS :) but really I was just pointing a fallacy out – it seemed like christian was trying to say that finite doesn’t = infinite which is true, but then again that wasn’t what was being said either – what was being said was: finite x infinite = infinite, which is true.

Either way this stuff is way too abstract to discuss this way haha :D

It is an effort to express that which cannot be expressed by a mountain of scholarly scriptures. No name can stick, and no philosophy can ring perfectly true, because you cannot paste a bumper sticker on a tidal wave. You cannot condense a supernova into a library.

In time, all evidence that human animals existed on this earth will be washed away, and new civilizations will be born on other worlds to take our place. Those new conscious beings will discover Unity, which they will call by another name in a language never spoken by any human being. The meaning, however, will be exactly the same.

@imhotep, “Not everything that can be counted counts and not everything that counts can be counted.”…

It means not all things that can be touched and quantified matter (material goods) and that not all things that truly matter can be quantified or measured (love, hope, etc.).

Also, in a more scientific sense, it means that not all of reality is visible to us. There are certain aspects, which are not unimportant, but are not accessible to humans despite any advancements in technology, due to either the nature of the human mind or the design of science itself. It links the importance of the qualitative and the quantitative in science too.

Is nothing a thought? Is that the most simple idea that started all the others? The thought of nothing then the opposing. Or maybe it can be referred to meditation. How you get yourself to clear your mind and think of nothing. That is the purest thing that can be the basis of your entire conscious.

I always like to imagine the universe as an organism that follows a pattern of evolution. I suppose it move in a spiral from the macro scale to the micro scale [our bodies are made up of tissues and organs trying to make us what we are, those tissues and organs are made up of cells which are trying to make those organs. Then the cells are made up of chemical elements, etc etc. It works the same way as we are small part of the earth, the earth is apart of the solar system, the solar system is apart of the galaxy and so on. Then you get to the level of the entire universe, and finally the level of atoms. At this point im lost, because although atoms and subatomic particles seem to mimic the macro of the universe, they are the fundamental smallest parts? I dont know enough, but interesting idea because I can see the pattern in leave and trees and humans and stars and all of reality. Like the code of the matrix :P

@prittii, I think it’s fair to point out if he miscited a Philosopher’s argument, but it’s not super relevant to the topic at hand. Nobody mentions Descartes at all past the first point, that was just what got him starting on this train of thought.

This is a very simplistic version of the idea. which is good to explain because that is how humans slowly understand things. by taking steps to more complicated ideas! the idea of all other idea’s just adding up on and splitting off from an original idea couldn’t work because if every possible outcome came from a computer idea of trillions of 1′s and 0′s than the first possible idea or equation would have to be so complex. except the fact that are world works the opposite to the whole beginning were we actually only had hydrogen and helium. than after branching off from that it made heavier elements. so the only possible main idea that humans could relate to was the big bang theory of just an insane amount of compressed hydrogen. which i guess everything is based off that but it seems to get more complicated than splitting off to an easier understanding of it.
than that idea had to big enough to fill in everything we know today. Right? similar to a very complicated expansive tree the base of the trunk is the largest area to support the whole idea! but to hold up the tree their are roots that we don’t see holding up all the support! so even if this tree had no roots the idea of all our ideas splitting off by the millions would mean the main idea of everything would have to be so big to fit everything!
So the idea of everything being based off one thing helps us understand are minds but what happens when we look past that! what made this first idea we base everything off? would it be the opposite effect where everything leads back into the base idea. the roots idea?
that would make more sense because the whole universe wants a equilibrium state so by billions of years later maybe all our ideas come back together to from back this main idea. and by compressing so many ideas together it almost expands like a very slow (compared to us) expansions of ideas.
( i wrote this all very quickly and most of it probably has terrible grammar and vocabulary choosing. just try to understand my idea and ignore the horrible explanation)

This thread deserves a bump.