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Ryan (@fadingfootprints)    1 year, 7 months ago

What do you think it means to think philosophically?

I think that to think philosophically is almost a higher level of consciousness; a way of thinking obtained through stressing importance of disregarding the ego, the self, allowing a more open, wondrous attraction towards understanding what we are, and the reality we were born into. Philosophy is an awareness of the reality we are born into, and the society we are born into. Rather than remaining subjective and oblivious to the power of perspective with a lower level of consciousness, philosophical thoughts create the power for taking a step back from our subjective lives and evaluate existence, and all things that may come with it. We could ride through life and give into all values and ideas and experiences in our world, on Earth, without question or concern, perfectly content. Thinking philosophically is a craving, an attraction towards answering difficult questions, and a realization that everything we know has been learned, and not necessarily true. Dissatisfaction with answers is not necessarily the case, rather excitement and openness for various answers to difficult questions.
In addition to understanding life and the world, philosophy allows one to reach peace of mind. Through thinking, I have found myself developing my way of thinking to be at peace with being alive, and all things that come with it, and being at peace with death. With all of the complications people face throughout life, reaching a peace of mind through thinking can allow each life experience to be as enjoyable as the next. Although philosophies may vary from person to person, I believe each reek similar benefits. Overcoming undesirable human emotions and tragedies can facilitate reaching full potential of happiness. Blindness to a thoughtful lifestyle can make one vulnerable to more negative life experiences. All experiences in life are neutral and how we make of the experience determines whether it was negative or positive. No matter the situation, you always have this philosophical mindset you have developed. So regardless of the situation or moment, approaching it with this philosophical mindset gives an advantageous quality towards enjoying a situation, or experience.
Ultimately, I think philosophy can help approach similar questions that religions try to answer, through thoughtful, rational, and abstract ideas. These questions can regard, among other things, morals, meaning of life and death, and the complexities of the universe. Philosophy allows one to view the world in a far different way than normally perceived. Philosophy will lead to an enjoyable life, for through philosophy, you approach life in a thoughtful way. If the mindset is right, it will be nearly impossible to be unhappy. Philosophical thinking leads to open-mindedness, which can lead to a fuller life. With an open mind, there are fewer hesitations and more opportunities. These opportunities offer unique, character developing life experiences.

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SmokeUP1 (@smokeup1)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Well put.

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Amazingbonz (@amazingbonz)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Could you measure our evolution based purely as a species on how the growth of a philosophical mindset has grown? Strip away the technology, and as a species, philosophy is the next area to grow and change perspective. Looking at it this way, have we evolved much since the days philosophical thinkings of people such as Plato or Descartes?

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karski (@piekar93)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Excellent. I think its spot on

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SmokeUP1 (@smokeup1)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Clearly there are not many people who are willing to think this way. Many people are to caught up in their social lifes with society and its manipulation that they have lost the way. To think philosophical, to reach within ones self, ones mind is the gateway to a whole different perspective of life/reality. Though i do believe that we are awakening slowly. I live in a small town, in the town i live there are many followers, i only know a few people that are willing to think and learn in this way. As for evolving? i truly do not know but as time passes, we are awakening. Thinking this way has inspired me and one of my friends to write a book, this book is towards anybody willing to learn and it will consist of anything worth spreading for the human mind to expand and unite as ONE. We are all human and are ONE with the universe, instead of religions that consist of the thinking “we are right, no other religion,” we go for a win-win situation for everybody. Truthfully, everything is fucked up nowadays, but we still have much to learn. We are awakening. @amazingbonz,

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Adam (@moonglade)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@amazingbonz, I don’t think you can measure evolution in general that way since quite frankly humans are the only animals that we know of right now that can even comprehend the notion of philosophy. But if you just wanted to measure the evolution of humans only well… there have been huge ups and downs in our philosophical mindsets in history. Also they have varied from culture to culture.

Taoism happened before the dark ages.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@fadingfootprints, I think this is too specific, what you speak of is an ideal on philosophy but the reality at its simplest; Philosophy is meerly a question. In this sense everyone is a philosopher and it has nothing to do with the question posed or where that question will lead.
The people who suck at philosophy are the people who form values at some point without question, with one wrong addition skewifing the interpretation of information. A value must make sense, or be made sense of by questioning.

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Baba (@myselfbaba22)1 year, 7 months ago ago

why need be there the prominence to happiness? and why do we need turn to philosophy for questions that dont have an answer indeed, for insteance, the meaning in existence and the purpose of life?

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Baba (@myselfbaba22)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@smokeup1, the answers that philosophical conjecturing provides are quite arbitrary. it freaks me out ‘what if am wrong’! shouldnt we hav a more solid measure of truth? something more backed by evidence. something more scientific?

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Athens (@giraffe)1 year, 7 months ago ago

To me thinking philosophically is to explore many avenues of thought and analyse my beliefs and decisions to try and determine the best or most correct ones. It’s important to watch out for delusions and challenge my beliefs so as not to deceive myself. A lot of self-honesty and humility is often required.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, I think people should have confidence in their own judgement for what makes sense according to the value system they have designed, and I think that the only reason that sense could be wrong is if that value system itself was designed without questioning of the logic that leads to that conclusion.
So all you can do is review your values, find the logic in each factor of it and then trust your judgement of what makes sense when it is filtered through that value system. So a solid measure of truth? You can only research everything about an issue to get a comprehensive picture of it but ultimately you will still have to trust your own judgement of what makes sense in the design of your application of that knowledge.

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SmokeUP1 (@smokeup1)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, We will not know everything, everything is too complex to know. But there is nothing wrong with trying to understand ones self and the existence of this reality. I do not know where i am headed but by the way i think now it has led me to believe in myself and find mental peace within. I now have a feeling of reaching success/greatness, not knowing how, but just feeling it. Slowly i am heading towards a path that in my mind feels right. There is no reason why to go against it, it feels right. I am always willing to listen and re-interpret myself if i am wrong. I search for a win-win situation for everybody in this world to be happy but people are too manipulated and wont listen anymore. I am not saying that the philosophical way is the way but many people need to realize that we the human species need knowledge and wisdom. If you are too scared to believe in yourself then you need to start from square one and re-interpret yourself in a whole lot of things. Not believing in ourselves is what they want (the people who manipulate the masses). Only those who truly believe in themselves reach the top and for those who fall victim to a controlled set of thinking will not. Its insane how manipulation makes people think they are sane.

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tektalabyss (@blacksciencelab)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@trek79, I don’t think we should trust our own judgement, because we are the product of the filters put by society and everyone is raised different, so if an idea seems right to me, actually it seems right for what the environment I grew up in told me. I can not trust my judgement because I was raised in an infected society and my paths for finding the truth are altered also. But, there is an escape: If you think outside the box, if you exclude your mind, thoughts, personality, you reach a platform of awareness which allows you to see beyond the filters and search for truth. My idea was that our judgment is altered by environment and you can not trust it, and thinking philosophically means to destroy all of your “rational judgment” and pass through the mind to the seeking truth path. Thinking philosophically is killing yourself (you ego) for universally-accepted truth and to understand that each person is a paradox which we do not have the power to destroy. We have to abandon ourselves and our judgment to think philosophically.

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BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I think that to think philosophically is to seek the underlying operative concepts of reality.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@blacksciencelab, You can trust your judgement at least in where it has strength. There are measures you can take, you can review your system, it is not set in stone, just because your life has programmed it does not mean it makes sense. If you find irrational aspects of it you can replace them.
If you are keen enough you can look into Eastern philosophies on how to disolve the value system all together, freeing you up to redesign it from scratch, without the influences of conditioning. I personally used Nihilism to do this, but that is a potentially dangerous and complex method that needs boundaries between the conceptual and the natural.
But a value system does not have to be complex at all, I have one based on selfish motivation, but in that selfishness I see the logical personal benefits of considerate behaviour, how I actually gain from being kind. But in that is also a huge focus on finding psychological balance and embracing passions.
The thing with a passion is, despite it being your love that fulfills your needs, because you have such strength in it it resonates all around you and affects so many others in a way that altruistic minded people never have.
But as I say, the reason it is your value system is because it suits you, unless of course you simply adopted someone else value system which is completely ill advised and I’d strongly reccommend you remedy that. But what is wrong to others may not be wrong to you, that is the limitation people place on themselves that they must conform with some norm, but I tell you; If humanity were uniform then I’d shuffle myself off this mortal coil in an instant because that would utterly destroy the point of life.

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tektalabyss (@blacksciencelab)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I did not said that a value system is wrong, or that I do not have one. A value system, I agree, it have to suit you, but the thing is it exists within your personality and it’s a symbiosis between these two. I simply said that a value system or a judgement can disturb you from your path, because you gained one in a society, and it could be wrong. My goal is to seek the very deep truth that lies in the depths of ourselves and goes beyond the differential perspective. I have found by now that we are indeed uniform, a ONE, but I can not see deeper. This does not mean that we have to behave all on the same way, this does not mean we are not unique. But the TRUTH is just one and it has no fluctuations.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@blacksciencelab, I see what you mean, you seek a universal oneness and connection with the non-local, non-linear consciousness that exists within all things at a sub-quantum level. A lot of people are at that stage here on HE. That is an awesome part of the journey.

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Baba (@myselfbaba22)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@trek79, what do u mean as by a ‘value system’? i mean, what u mean to conjure by the word ‘value’ there?

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Alex (@friluftsliv)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, very well put.

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Baba (@myselfbaba22)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@smokeup1, i got three points to make. One, about believing in oneself. U know wat, i dislike the very word believe. I accept a though if it makes sense, that is, if it is coherent with the given accumen of knowledge we have gathered through scientific principles. if it is not, i do not accept it, or i drop it. i dont see it as a choice to make, that is, whether to believe or it. if its true, (by true i mean, objectively true, irrespective of me and what i hold), i adopt it or else i dont. Two, about understanding oneself and the existence of reality through philosophy. We are going to be so off from reality if u try to gauge reality by means of philosophy. wel why, cos we are constrained. we got five senses. and a brain used to mundane scenarios like running off from the chasing cheetah. but we hav invented tools and techniques, read maths, by which we can outdo this limitation and get hold of the reality indeed. And three, understanding oneself. I hav been quite troubled by this though for long. What if there is nothing unto it? what if the understanding that i gather about self is an arbitrary mix of thoughts, that mak me feel good and al, so i accept. it need in no way be true. and tel me, need there something really be ‘as to me’ that need understanding. wouldnt ‘knowing’ be a better word. and if its about ‘knowing my self’, what role does philosophy play. or for that case, what role that anything other than the act of being conscious need play. al we need to is that account of what we are by observing oneself. end of story. what conjecturing need be done?! and if at al we embark on that task, what measure have u got that we would be right? right as in true!

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, Well to me a value system is a judgement of what makes sense, how much it makes sense and to decide if it makes sense enough to impliment or if I should search for something that makes more sense, a weighing of the time constraint I have to make that decision or search for an alternative. But also if I am in the best possition to make a decision or if I know someone or can find someone who has a better understanding to make such a decision. Stuff like that is my value system.
In others, it is trying to mould decisions, not nessecarily to what makes sense but to what conforms with their indoctorinated code of morality, they use that as a default rather than trust what makes sense to them.

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Baba (@myselfbaba22)1 year, 6 months ago ago

u make a compelling case u know. i really admire the way u mak an exhaustive statement covering all possibilities. i hav a query from that though. When u adjudge as to ‘what makes sense’, what is the basis that u use? I mean like, u wil say ‘Well that makes sense as because…’?

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Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@fadingfootprints, this is true, but I have also experienced the flip side of this which is focusing so much on thinking philosophically that I am missing the point, getting stuck in my head and thus not being present for my own life.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, That is a really good question and I think it is different in everyone, not that some are wrong and others not but that what makes sense to each of us is right for each of us, and just because it makes sense to me does not mean it is right for everyone only that it is right for me.
I suppose I use a sense of logic, I play out simulations in my mind, the more you know about something the more likely you are to run an accurate simulation. There are times when you have to act immediately and you do not have the option to think about things, in these cases you do your best to make the right call but liability of fault is relative to the situation, you judge your decision on your intent rather than the result.
But I think I see things like a jigsaw puzzle and I try to get a broad view of all the pieces and look for what fits, when you know that you are looking for a red piece you can discount all the pieces of a different colour. You get a sense for something, a feel for its pace, it doesn’t make sense to slap something in that is incapable of attaining or maintaining that pace.
But I also tend to look for the best possible goal and reverse engineer, in my imagination, from the goal back to where I am. I don’t want to harm anyone so that is always a consideration, then I weigh up my gain versus the gain of others, I don’t like to anger people and make enemies so that is considered, then I figure how much benefit, you have to make sure you don’t deprive yourself when it is well justified not to.
Decision making sounds like it is fraught with so many variables but I think that this process is done very quickly in my head usually, I don’t even consider it thinking, it is just my nature, many of these conclusions just seem obvious when the situation arises and you visualize your optimum goal.

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SmokeUP1 (@smokeup1)1 year, 6 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22,
For your 1st & 3rd points, ‘believing in oneself’ & ‘understanding in oneself’ are kind of on the same boat. To believe in yourself you must understand yourself. You must grow more consciously aware my good sir.

For your 2nd point,”Two, about understanding oneself and the existence of reality through philosophy.”
i had said,”there is nothing wrong with trying to understand ones self and the existence of this reality.” I never said,’Through philosophy.’

First off, there is a big difference between believing in oneself and believing in something to be true or false. When you believe in yourself it has to do with you/within yourself. The spiritual oneness that is within us all, Spirituality is self awareness, consciousness aware of itself.

When you think of something to be true or false i do agree on being able to entertain a thought without accepting it. You need to have that in order to not fall for manipulation or false beliefs so easily.

SOME QUOTES:

“Maybe pain is caused by acquired beliefs and ideas that instills the notion of superiority over another – Beliefs and ideas that one would even kill or die for trying to defend – yet this lingering pain endures when one continues to be deaf and blind to the knowing from deep within – until one wakes up to remember…that these things that caused pain to oneself and others are all hand me down convictions of the mind.” -?

“The absolute simplicity is that the entire universe, all of the knowledge, all of the power, reside within you. And the portal for this knowing is called your heart. That is the absolute bottom line simplicity of it. All of it is within you, whether or not at this time, you know it. So all of the struggling out there to get somewhere, to be something, is really simply a story because you do not reach out to become. You reach in to become.” -P’taah

“You must unlearn what you have been ‘programmed’ to believe from birth.
That software no longer serves you if you want to live in a world where all things are possible.” -Jacqueline E. Purcell

“Most people do not listen with the intent to understand ; they listen with the intent to reply.” – Stephen R. Covey

This here is part of a book i am reading, ‘Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are,’ by Bob Frissell. I recommend it, it’s an eye opener.

“The direct result of turning off the pineal gland (3rd eye) is polarity consciousness-good and bad, right and wrong. Because of the way we breathe we see things in terms of good and evil, but in fact there is no such thing as polarity. Everything actually has 3 components -the holy trinity-and no matter what polarity you think of there will a third element to it; for example, with hot and cold, there is warm, up and down gives you middle, etc. From higher dimensional levels of existence polarity is just an illusion. Unity is all there is; there is just one God and one Spirit that moves through everything. All that ever occurs then is occurring because of the one God.

On our level of existence we interpret things differently. We think we see good and evil. What is really going on, however, is timing. The forces of polarity are necessary for the proper functioning of the universe. Remember, the dark forces do everything they can to hinder a particular area of consciousness, be it on a planetary or individual scale. The light forces do everything they can to encourage consciousness expansion and awareness. This opposition causes consciousness to move upward at exactly the right pace. In the birth of a child, for example, 9 months is the proper time, not 3 months or 15 months. The forces of polarity cause the child to be born at exactly the right time.

So given where we are, we need to see good and evil and be aware of them, but we also need to recognize that the presence of God is in every situation and that there is a reason for everything that happens. We need to see that everything is whole and complete and perfect and that there is nothing wrong no matter how bad or how good it may seem. We need to see that life engenders a deep conscious aspect that is everywhere.

In our state we tend to think that we live inside this body, that everything “out there” is separate from us, and that our feelings and thoughts don’t manifest beyond ourselves. We think that we can hide our thoughts and feelings and they have no impact “out there.” This is simply not true. Everything that we think, feel, and do is creating our whole world all the way out to the most distant stars. We are creating everything in every moment, more so than we could ever imagine.”

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