Those who smoke a pipe live longer than non-smokers?

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clintbeastwood (@clintbeastwood)    2 years, 11 months ago

I share a partial agreement with all of you, given the above posts. (However, I don’t find this agreement to be a coincidence.) I would like to add, that I think the work and findings of Dr. Masaru Emoto’s studies of water are directly related to this topic of discussion. Dr. Emoto, proves the relationship between human "frequency" and it’s affect on water. (If you aren’t already familiar with his work.)I feel a brief glimpse into his work, or perhaps a quick google search, may shed some new light on this topic and also broaden a few horizons. And, possibly answer the riddle of why some smokers live to be ninety-nine, while some non-smokers perish at a young age from lung-cancer. I assure you it is very relevant! Emoto’s work really lends a scientific aspect to Shakespeare’s claim that, "Perception is reality." Although, I share some of Peter’s sentiment that, given science and spirituality, neither should be ignored! I hope this helps guys! Love and gratitude! :)

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clintbeastwood (@clintbeastwood)2 years, 11 months ago ago

The times we live in now have become so fast paced that most of us don’t take the time to relax and contemplate life. Many famous figures have smoked a pipe in their life like Albert Einstein, J.R.R. Tolkien, General MacArthur, Winston Churchill have all been pipe smokers. Einstein even said “I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs.” Currently there is a pretty strong lobbying force against smoking in general. I am not here to endorse the act of smoking out of moderation which is considered over 4 pipe bowls a day. I was wondering if the psychological and physical effects of a relaxed mind and body by smoking say one pipe bowl a day outweighs the damage that stress has on your body. It would be interesting to see what you guys have to say. Keep in mind I am not talking about the overuse of smoking a pipe, I am talking about in moderation.

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PDC (@chemicalspike)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Nah as soon as you smoke you begin to make damaging changes and damaging DNA and Genes which if your one of the many unlucky ones begins the process that forms into cancer.

Living a healthy life with a relaxed mind won’t get rid of these cancers I’m afraid though living a healthy life with a relaxed mind does wonders for you of course best not to conflate the two concepts. This is where its cool to be spiritual and scientific at the same time.

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clintbeastwood (@clintbeastwood)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Maybe it’s just the fact that it was a relaxing ritual for some, I know I have no ritual of relaxation. Need to find one for myself. FYI I do not smoke pipes, though I do have a Cigar once or twice a year.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Actually Peter, living a healthy life with a relaxed mind probably would get rid of the cancers. I believe cancer is created from yourself. Thoughts are more powerful then people notice. Honestly, I doubt there is anything wrong with smoking at all (at least used to be. It’s a different story now with all the chemicals)

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I think that stat comes from other factors. People who can afford the time and money to smoke pipes probably are not scraping money together for food. Just my guess.

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1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth)2 years, 11 months ago ago

If smoking a pipe every so often is relaxing to you I don’t see any reason not to do it… smoking isn’t that bad in moderation.

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PDC (@chemicalspike)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Alex why do smokers get more lung cancer than non smokers even when they believed that smoking was good for them.

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Bryan Hellard (@xyver)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@ Peter Because it’s like drinking Cyanide and thinking “Ah, what fresh clean water”.

Thoughts are powerful, but not that powerful xD

Also, I can see how natural smoking might be safe(r). I don’t know much about tobacco, but I do know that there are lots of chemicals (remember hearing 4000+) in cigarettes. But, I’d imagine that if you got pure, natural tobacco, that might be alright.

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PDC (@chemicalspike)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Alright for getting cancer with :)

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Yeah, most of the bad stuff isn’t in the tobacco itself, it’s all the shit they mix it out with to make it burn more evenly and look and taste better etc. Smoking isn’t as bad as the media tells you, it’s still bad but not that bad. Hell, the “standard western diet” has a stronger negative impact on your health and life expectancy than smoking.

I smoke occasionally (that’s no more than once a month, usually less) and according to the doctors my lungs are perfectly fine and they feel very good too. Fact is, my lungs are stronger and cleaner than most people’s.

It’s proven that meditation and relaxation makes you healthier and keeps you alive longer. Having a smoke in solitude and contemplating life is very relaxing and meditative. I think that’s why a lot of people think smoking is healthy.

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clintbeastwood (@clintbeastwood)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Stress related health problems
-Heart Disease
-Asthma
-Obesity
-Diabetes
-Headaches
-Depression and anxiety
-Gastrointestinal problems
-Alzheimer Disease
-Accelerated Aging
-Premature Death
And some of these conditions lead to other serious health conditions and so on.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 11 months ago ago

In moderation, smoking is not so bad, but for the fact that it is so addictive that keeping that moderation is akin to rodeo riding a bull. It is true that there is a psychological calming property to smoking.
Perhaps stress is actually more deadly than smoking so if smoking gives relief to that stress then it would make sense that a person would actually live longer.

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CosmicLemonade (@cosmiclemonade)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Bryan

The only reason I started smoking two years ago was because I was hanging out with a group of friends who were rolling their own cigarettes and smoking pipes. I had always been turned off cigarettes growing up because of all the additives. They really used this information to scare the shit out of us little kids through programs like DARE. Anyway, I thought rolling your own was cool because you know there are no additives. Then I found American Spirits, which are pre-rolled cigarettes with no additives and proceeded to become addicted. I am in the process of moderating now, but in response to your last sentence, natural tobacco is just as addicting and it feels just as harmful done out of moderation.

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PDC (@chemicalspike)2 years, 11 months ago ago

The question is if smoking is bad for you and even natural tobacco will still give you cancer and stress is bad for you why not avoid both?

Of course if you accept that tobacco can still kill you and smoke anyway then that is a life choice and I’ve no problem with that.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 11 months ago ago

I do not think it is a matter of avoiding stress, maybe for some people that is an option. But some people are more susceptible to stress than others. It is a case of needing to find a substitute relief for stress than smoking.

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clintbeastwood (@clintbeastwood)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Thanks for spreading your knowledge Jordan! I will be sure to look up Dr. Emoto’s works.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Peter Well cancer isn’t as big a deal as media tells us. It’s curable, and it takes a lot of smoking to develop cancer. Cancer can also be caused by a plethora of other things, many things which people do every single day. You can get cancer from pretty much anything these days, and the popular beliefs about cancer aren’t really scientifically proven. Especially not the part about it not being curable (which is a steaming pile of shit.)

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Peter Well cancer isn’t as big a deal as media tells us. It’s curable, and it takes a lot of smoking to develop cancer. Cancer can also be caused by a plethora of other things, many things which people do every single day. You can get cancer from pretty much anything these days, and the popular beliefs about cancer aren’t really scientifically proven. Especially not the part about it not being curable (which is a steaming pile of shit.)

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clintbeastwood (@clintbeastwood)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Alexa That is hilarious! Your grandmother is awesome.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 11 months ago ago

I think you are most likely to get cancer if you are genetically inclined. Certain factors in the environment can deactivate the genes that stop cancer. For a lot of people, however, those genes are naturally dormant and they are much more susceptible.
I heard there is a suicide gene that causes cancerous growths to kill themselves and people who get cancer, for some reason, this gene malfunctions.

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 11 months ago ago

ya i like your story alexa….it reminds me of a story i read a year or two ago. at the time the oldest person in the world was like 114 or so (i could be off by a few years)…..anyways, when the person interviewed him and asked what it was that most contributed to his longetivity, the old man replied “cigarettes, whiskey, and wild, wild women.” i thought that was a funny answer.

as far as pipes go, they are amazing! i have been smoking pipes on and off for the last ten years or so, and really love them. my favorite style of pipe are the ones with a really long stem and small rounded bowl (people usually comment that i look like im smoking a leprechan pipe. haha. another plus to smoking a pipe, is that people will tell you how good it smells (unlike cigs or cigars).there is an awesome smoke shop in my city (not just a head shop, but also a true tobacconist), and they have like 50 different types of homemade blends, some of which are super delicious…..and at about 3 dollars an ounce very affordable too.

i think that if you smoke a pipe one or two times a day, and dont inhale, youre not very likely to get cancer. as far as elongating your life? that is a stretch, but maybe that little reduction of stress could help some. i would recomend meditation for that though, because it can be very difficult to give up nicotine once youre “hooked”….

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Ty (@tymr)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Well, smoking in general is bad for your lungs, but it’s not thaaat bad. If you smoke in moderation, it really won’t be that bad for your lungs in the short-term.
However, It will drastically increase your risk of lung-cancer, but I believe only about 20% of smokers develop cancer. That explains why you see many smokers live into old age, but it’s rather like a lottery. Take that as you will. In addition to that, tobacco is chemically, physically addictive, so it will be very difficult to change your routine once you develop it, and you may be inclined to smoke more and more over time. Personally, I wouldn’t recommend it for anyone.

I don’t know much about the etiquette of pipe-smoking, but if not inhaling is an option, that drastically reduces health risks. It’s still not the best for your mouth, but it’s much much safer in general. If this is how it’s done, then it’s MUCH safer than the forms of smoking we’re always warned about. I doubt chemical addiction would be much of a factor anymore either.

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PDC (@chemicalspike)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Manimal: Sorry I’ll be treating that with a heavy dose of skepticism having worked in pharmaceuticals and physiology I feel I have enough experience and medical knowledge not to believe you. I believe in spiritual health as well as physical health and neither one trumps another. Anyone familiar with oncology would also I feel.

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