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backcase (@backcase)01.16.2013 at 4:18 pm

Peace to all,

As I go through my old notebooks of my writings, I find many quotes which I have written down.
I wrote them down because the strike chords in my heart and ring true to my mind and soul, hopefully they will for you.

I did not write the names of any of the writers, so forgive me of that, I think many of you will find these quotes enlightening if you choose to read them.

“The most virtuous and wise see a light Indistinctly, a feeble light in the dark of myths: the light of Truth. It is the remembrance of the Light seen before life, which inspires them with some truth, in which are fragments of the revealed Truth.”

“Heroism in faith is to be perfected among difficulties.”

“Inconstancy is the face and appearance of ill intentions.
Good men make actions out of good intentions.”

“Jesus felt more pain for the hatred of the world than for His Tortures and Death.”

“Do always how Jesus would advise and the God of Jacob will always be with you.”

“why do you, whom destiny has placed high up, always want to consider yourself perfect?”

“Can a doctor cure a sore if he does not open it and clean it?

” the Spirit needs such freedom and generosity in giving, to be sure that it is not entangled in the cobwebs of affections, habits, considerations, fears, stretched out as many threads by the monstrous spider which is Satan, the robber of souls.”

“He hates his life who without fear of losing it or making it sad from a human point of view, uses it to serve Me.” – Jesus Christ

“It is wisdom to weigh and judge one’s self.”

“There is but One God, Who does not originate from anybody else and is not subject to human passions and needs: One Only, Eternal, Perfect God, the Creator of everything.”

“you do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven along a flowery road of triumph or on a carpet made purple by enemy blood; but climbing a steep path of sacrifices and a mild staircase of forgiveness and love.
Our victories over ourselves will give us that Kingdom.”

These quotes are true and faithful. Some are my own, some are of quotes I have translated, and some are quotes I have written out of books I read. I wrote what I know to be words from God Himself.

Anyone is welcome to put their own, or describe one of the quotes to exercise spiritually, as I always do.
For those who wish to scoff I give this to show how I think of you.

“Love also wicked people. Not because of their wickedness, but because it is through love that mercy is granted to them.”

Peace and blessings to all.

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@spadoincle,

“I am concerned with how what people think affects their behavior. Im sure you are a saint when you are around other people you know that think just like you, but you will forever get that judgmental feeling inside of you when you are around people you know dont think the same as you. you dont LISTEN to them. You are waiting to speak so you can tell them how they are wrong. that is not a constructive argument. it is the opposite of critical thinking.
Ill be posting soon a post titled “4 questions that took me 5 years to come up with”. you will be tagged in it. I hope you can take off those shades and have a real conversation.”

I am no saint, that is the first thing to say. I love each person and I talk about my spirituality when spirituality is being talked about. A large part in our brain is dedicated to judgement, but spirituality can refine it.

I never mean to condescend anyone, but I only wish to seek God’s glory in everything and glorify God by every word and action I make.

I listen to everyone who would like me to hear. But I find the spirit within the banter and I speak upon that.

I do not find the problem with spirituality when the object is to love, but you wish only to instigate. I may or may not join your post because I may or may not be at work at the time, but if you should place such importance on me so as to tag me in it. I will make time for you sooner or later.

Peace to you.

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HoneyEater (@honeyeater)1 year, 2 months ago ago

I just find it strifling when they only thank god when they get what they wanted in their prayer. Like, is there a god that only grants favors for personal gain? How come god is never thanked thru out the steps to get that favor. God is the life force..the balance…negative and positive. But i think believers only think of grasping the positive. I think you need both to understand the truth and the life

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

–My only mental anchor is to desire at all times to do as Jesus would advise.–

i like this and i can’t disagree with the path Jesus shows, but i think you could substitute the word, or some variation of the word, Emotional growth for spiritual path, throughout what you wrote; emotions have the power over the reality of our minds to be as serious as what i describe them as,

also, –I find that attuning with the Holy Spirit is the weakening of the desires of my flesh, to increase the desire of my spirit.–

i find that attuning to my emotions is the weakening of the desires of my flesh due to the recognition of the inefficiency and destructive nature of living otherwise

the way we see it is different, but the result is the same, the difference is i start from the point that all within my sensory and mental perception is me, you start from the point that some parts within your sensory or mental perception is not you, it is god, or the holy spirit,

i am not trying to be offensive, at all, i just want you to see how i am looking at it so if i am assuming anywhere you can point it out,

what do you think?

i admire your faith and what i’ve seen of your reason

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@honeyeater, How many Christians do you know?

Our symbol is the Cross, we understand suffering. That’s kind of one of the main points that we understand, where do you get the idea that we don’t?

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, “you start from the point that some parts within your sensory or mental perception is not you, it is god, or the holy spirit,”

Well I do not believe that my spirit is of mental perception, as it truly comes from the heart, which is where the soul resides.

I do not see my soul/spirit as God nor the Holy Spirit although it is where God descends to receive the love of His creature and impart is Loving Spirit. It is in this process that the faculty of my soul is increased, and since God gives the increase I say it is not my own but God’s. In that way I am inspired with a sense of humility as I understand that “no one is good but God”, as Jesus said.

I see the main separations of self as Mind, body, and spirit. These are the faculties of man at all times, and in most men they are not in balance. When a man reaches a certain point, he has let God strengthen his soul to such a point that he becomes more spirit than he is a body, and that is done with the help of God and through man’s will power to deprive his senses to the state of mortification.

It may be a little much to understand and it may seem like I am raving, but I also like to take in a thorough study of world religions, but I look more towards the spirituality and not towards the practice of customs and traditions.

And I thank you for you comment,

Peace to you.

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HoneyEater (@honeyeater)1 year, 2 months ago ago

I just feel thaT THE ONLY REAL CHRISTAIN WAS JESUS. THE ONE THAT DIED ON THE CROSS. But is that christianity or did we just make that up for us to follow? Maybe Jesus did not like religions, he was probably against it. Spirituality and God he was probably into. Like, I dont think he raised people from the dead physically, I think he was trying to raise people from the dead, because they were spiritually dead. And thats the magic right there….the truth and the life. Jesus is the man! But thats my interpretation.

“whoever finds the correct interpretation will find the kingdom of heaven” ?

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@honeyeater, “THE ONLY REAL CHRISTAIN WAS JESUS. THE ONE THAT DIED ON THE CROSS.”

Were the apostles, who Jesus trained, not Christian? They have also died, some as martyrs some as old people. In the first few chapters of Act of the Apostles Stephen get stoned to death for calling Jesus the Son of God. St. Paul got his head cut of for the same reason, and St. Peter was crucified upside down!

Why choose ignorance and hatred? You have no knowledge of the subject of martyrdom.
Anyone who practices love and holy virtue is a real Christian.

“Like, I dont think he raised people from the dead physically, I think he was trying to raise people from the dead, because they were spiritually dead.”

Yes, your point is very important, because many do need to revive spiritually, to which we are given the example of Mary of Magdala.

But her brother was the second example as he was raised from the dead after his body was decomposed, by Jesus the Christ.

“But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.” Corinthians 15:12-14

Why would we even know of Jesus if He had not come to call God’s children back to Him? Do you think He came in vain, and for no reason at all?

Trust me, people already know these things, maybe not those who you know, but we know that a spiritual birth is necessary for man.

Have you ever known a case of some sort where a drug addict or prostitute finds the Grace of God and becomes a new person?

It happens, it is not unheard of.
Ranting is useless without knowledge.

“whoever finds the correct interpretation will find the kingdom of heaven”

He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:28

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

i hear what you are saying, but i think you could also say, Mind, Body, and Emotion. have you ever sat back and looked at what your spiritual growth means in reality? when you are spiritually growing your are also becoming more emotionally stable, if you look at the process you are using for spiritual growth and broke them down to their core idea concepts, you will see that the method you use can be found in other religions, other philosophies, psychology, etc, and i am sure you can find some of this wisdom pre-dating the Bible.

you accept yourself and forgive yourself, you let go of what you cannot control, these are the main functions of the religion and all aspects can be found in a non-religious setting to where the people following them see a identical cause/effect in their lives,

so, how can MOST people, get through life and understand themselves and be humble like Jesus, follow in his example to a T, yet never know him like you do?

it is because religions are all made up and reflect the culture, they are an attempt to understand and allow man the knowledge control the human element, the emotional element, the supernatural aspects are metaphors and stories to exemplify the knowledge in action, this supernatural explanation was an explanation system prior to logic and science, anything that we didn’t understand we worshiped or assigned supernatural elements to, it was presented in a way that the culture at the time could understand, and here we are, 2,000 years later, trying to apply a 2013 perspective to it, no can do, you cannot take literally what a 2000 year old documents says bc the logic used to write is not inherent to someone of our educational background,

the last of which, the most powerful reality bender, is our emotions, which in my opinion, is what the bible is about

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine,

I like your scientific approach, but with such you are prone to leave out the supernatural.

“i hear what you are saying, but i think you could also say, Mind, Body, and Emotion. have you ever sat back and looked at what your spiritual growth means in reality? when you are spiritually growing your are also becoming more emotionally stable, if you look at the process you are using for spiritual growth and broke them down to their core idea concepts, you will see that the method you use can be found in other religions, other philosophies, psychology, etc, and i am sure you can find some of this wisdom pre-dating the Bible.”

Emotions have their source, and they either come from the inferior being or the superior being of the self. The motions come from a being and that is of the spirit.

When I speak of Jesus, I mean the Word of God. Where the Father is, so is the Son.
I see that you try to rationalize spirituality into human thoughts, but I think it takes faith to understand it completely, because there is a point where words do not suffice.

Thank you for your input, but remember: Faith can move mountains.

May God give you peace.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

ahhh, always comes down to the faith argument doesn’t it, that is because it doesn’t stand up to a critical look,

on faith, let me create a scene,

you are seeking a system of beliefs, in front of you are three options, (1) When you observe the cause/effect of this system, you see that it harms you. (2) When you observe the cause/effect of this system, you see it really doesn’t do anything for you, it’s kind of a waste of time. (3) When you observe the cause/effect of this system, you see it benefits you.

which of these systems would you chose?

Option #3 of course, but this is only because you have seen a positive cause/effect, if the system harmed you, you would not follow it, if the system did nothing but waste your time, you would not follow it, only if there is something tangible will you then follow.

you are claiming supernatural faith based on tangible evidence, these are opposites, there is nothing supernatural about your faith, you believe what you do just like anyone else believes what they do, because of a tangible cause/effect,

look at religion globally and if you claim you have, look again, you cannot understand my points unless you do.

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, option 4: Doing God’s will to give glory to God, and not the self.

To lay our focus upon God, and not upon cause and effect is to be above such self seeking.
It is the greatest action to do what pleases God. This fits into all of your 3 categories and none of them. I will give glory to God for my soul’s benefit, for other’s benefit, for no benefit, as long as my will is to love God.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

define god please, you use it a lot, sometimes it seems to cover not-knowing, i agree that we cannot view ourselves as god, that to do so signifies an eventual downfall, and i agree that life should be about others and it is this action that becomes like soul energy bars, igniting the imbuer with a undying fire,

but i think all of this can be done without Jesus, and i think this point is PROVEN by simply looking at the % of people that are Christian in the world, Christian’s roughly comprise of only 1/3 the world’s population, that means 2 out of 3 people are not Christian, and yet somehow, magically, they can live happy, productive, giving, kind, loving, Christ-like lives,

like i said, unless you look at this subject matter from a global perspective, you will not understand where i am coming from

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, First I will talk about the Christianity thing.

Christ taught the God’s Religion which He wants for us, which is the Religion of Virtue. If someone already practices virtue then they would find the Gospel familiar and truthful, because the Word of God speaks the Truth, and the Truth is at least slightly known to every man’s soul.

“but i think all of this can be done without Jesus”

I think the problem is that you do not see Jesus as He truly is, but only as another man.
Jesus is the Word of God. The Word of God translates the Thought, which is the Father’s. The Power and Manifestation of the Two is the Holy Spirit.

“define god please”

God is Spirit, God is infinite, God is Trine.

You cannot define He Who is. I said that to another poster in this same thread.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

you answered none of my questions but said a lot. i see a lot of rhetoric

–Christ taught the God’s Religion which He wants for us, which is the Religion of Virtue. If someone already practices virtue then they would find the Gospel familiar and truthful, because the Word of God speaks the Truth, and the Truth is at least slightly known to every man’s soul.–

i’m not sure what you meant by this, did you mean that if God finds a man virtuous in his soul he will spare him and send him to heaven even without knowing Jesus?

or did you mean that everyone knows virtue, therefore should know Jesus, and if they don’t accept them they can’t get into heaven?

the heaven/hell issue is the only real problem i have Christianity and is the most important question right? have you accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?

and, i don’t know if you realized it, but you are starting to make my point for me, remember how i said if you broke down all the practices and ideas of your religion that you would see these aspects reflected in almost all religions, philosophies, etc,

Remember what you said?

–Christ taught the God’s Religion which He wants for us, which is the Religion of Virtue. –

yes, (1) which is not solely a Christian concept, and (2) can be found without ever knowing Jesus

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine,
“you answered none of my questions but said a lot.”

I did not answer them in the manor you requested, but I answered them, it’s up to you to understand it.

“I’m not sure what you meant by this, did you mean that if God finds a man virtuous in his soul he will spare him and send him to heaven even without knowing Jesus?

or did you mean that everyone knows virtue, therefore should know Jesus, and if they don’t accept them they can’t get into heaven?”

He who loves virtue and is kind has already accepted Christ and knows Him well, as He is the Origin of good works, and is present in anyone who does them.

“and, i don’t know if you realized it, but you are starting to make my point for me, remember how i said if you broke down all the practices and ideas of your religion that you would see these aspects reflected in almost all religions, philosophies, etc,”

I do not think I denied such, but I look towards the spirituality rather than the religion. That is how people should view religion, but many do not, they see base practices and nothing Spiritual. The wise ones notice a golden thread of truth in each religions teachings.

“Christ taught the God’s Religion which He wants for us, which is the Religion of Virtue. –

yes, (1) which is not solely a Christian concept, and (2) can be found without ever knowing Jesus”

But it is the True Christian spirit. It can be found without knowing “historical Christ” but not without know the Spiritual Christ.

^^^This one takes faith and love to understand.
P.S. I will not reply if you do not get what I am saying this time.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

–I did not answer them in the manor you requested, but I answered them, it’s up to you to understand it.–

umm, this is not a matter of me not understanding, as i stated, i see only rhetoric, which i am able to identify having grown up in the church, i know where you are coming from, you are avoiding my my questions and only answering in a way that is beyond argument,

–But it is the True Christian spirit.–

ummm.. do you feel that Christians are the only ones that understand virtue? if so, i gotta say man, this reveals a level of arrogance that is contradictory to the example Christ set

–I do not think I denied such, but I look towards the spirituality rather than the religion. That is how people should view religion, but many do not, they see base practices and nothing Spiritual. The wise ones notice a golden thread of truth in each religions teachings.–

but wait, i thought Christianity was the only way? if so, how can any other religion have truth?

–P.S. I will not reply if you do not get what I am saying this time.–

^^this^^ is very un-Christ-like, where is your patience? honestly, you are not understanding where i am coming from and you are not debating my points in context, rather, you spin it off into some non-explanation that had little to do with it.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

–The wise ones notice a golden thread of truth in each religions teachings.–

yes, and the reason why all of them have golden threads is because each was created around man and man’s problems…. again, another point you have proven

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, you don’t understand it, nor do you want to. I explained it many times, yet you ask the same questions. Draw my words through their spirit. Until you break the surface of what I am saying it is of not use to explain.

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, p.s. I have not avoided your questions, but my answers have not satisfied your questions because they are selective. Get out of the box your in man.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

see, that is an easy assumption to draw when you have nothing really to say in return to a question, the thing you are failing to realize is that i have heard everything you have said before, i have said it myself, for the majority of my life i lived within the Christian sphere, so when i ask you to define god, i am not asking for some generic answer, i was looking for a personal definition, how do you define him, what does he mean to you, but by your answer you reveal you really don’t know,

i find naive, subtle tones of arrogance emulating from your supreme knowledge which is standard amongst people who convince themselves they have discovered a truth and it is their mission to bring everyone around to their senses,

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

my questions are selective bc i want you to answer them! wow dude….. get out of my box? lol, again, wow. completely blind are you?

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, you understan religion, but resist the capacity of the supernatural.

But I will define what God is to me.

God is my Everything.

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@tine, “my questions are selective bc i want you to answer them!”

but you want to choose my answer.

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

yes, exactly! i want you to answer my questions within context, if you fail to do so then you are not really answering my question, which has been my point for awhile now,

again, you just continue to prove my points for me.

God… is my everything… i’ve seen a bracelet with that on it, seems like a very personal relationship you have there, what does that even mean in reality?

so easy to say

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Tine (@tine)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@backcase,

ketchup, is my everything

see how this might leave room for further explanation?

your answer is very 1 dimensional

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