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Adam Mac (@emceedan)    3 years, 2 months ago

I didn’t post this to bring about any religious debate. I just think these words hold a lot of wisdom. The second time I read it I replaced the word "atheist" with "human". It became all the more important after doing so.

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“Your petitioners are atheists and they define their beliefs as follows. An atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth for all men together to enjoy.

An atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it, and enjoy it.

An atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.

He seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to know a god. An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man.

He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a god or channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a hereafter.

He believes that we are our brother’s keepers and are keepers of our own lives; that we are responsible persons and the job is here and the time is now.”

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The above definition of atheism was given to the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of Murray v. Curlett, 374 U.S. 203, 83 S. Ct. 1560, 10 L.Ed.2d (MD, 1963), to remove reverential Bible reading and oral unison recitation of the Lord’s Prayer in the public schools:

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Alex Eastman (@alex)3 years, 2 months ago ago

I agree. heaven is great and all, but why go through hell to get to it? Why can’t earth be heaven as well?

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Johannes Davidsson (@daokedao)3 years, 2 months ago ago

I love thoose words. I really love them. So much hope for a better future in those words.

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Martin Walsh (@kakistos)3 years, 2 months ago ago

Its kinda funny. All those moral ideologies are whats taught here as catholicism. i mean every one of them is what is taught as the fundamentals of being catholic. little prayer more encouragement to do good deeds. the desire to live more like jesus in a tolerant and loving way of all men (not just the ones that agree with you). now i aint either christian or atheist, i’d actually consider myself a staunch agnostic/life supporter. we’re societal creatures and the reaching for a god that is beyond reach will always only detract from your reaching for your fellow man and what is real now. i recon that kind of take on christianity is why america has become so sociopathic in nature.

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Johannes Davidsson (@daokedao)3 years, 2 months ago ago

I agree with you martin but your words can be simplified. Skip the doctrine, get a new one tht is more flexible, compassionate and without a diety.

Who’s up for writing a new ever evolving “religion”.

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Adam Mac (@emceedan)3 years, 2 months ago ago

All those moral ideologies are taught in catholicism there? Damn, I might start going to a church that teaches there is no god and that we should build hospitals instead of churches! Er wait, that church would be defying it’s own doctrine by not being a hospital. I can see the connection you’re associating there but it doesn’t stick. I like your choice of wording in describing American interpretations of catholicism as sociopathic.

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Martin Walsh (@kakistos)3 years, 2 months ago ago

not that it teaches that there’s no god. just that the point of it isn’t god. its doing good and being kind to people. basically all the moral lessons. and when you die you will be forgiven for your sins and you will go to heaven regardless. the main moral lesson being tollerance and that seems to be something that evangelical american christians have skipped over. sure there are some nut jobs in ireland too. but they get ignored. gain no traction and no support. they are laughed at and dismissed. as is what should happen when someone suggests intolerance.
its pretty foolish to think that religion will ever be done away with. its MASSIVE business and the fear of death is just too prevalent . also there are too many questions that frankly, no matter how complete the answer given is, people wont accept the answer to. fear of death is all. so rather than defeating it. i think it more sensible to just make it a moral societal guidance that you could actually be proud of. oh and there are actually a couple of atheists practicing as priests in the church of england i found that quite crazy when i seen it on TV.

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Matt P (@mkp843)3 years, 2 months ago ago

Maybe it doesn’t matter if you think there is a god or not, but further I don’t think ppl should really speak for god, not that it can’t be talked about, but acknowledge it’s just an opinion.. did god come down and tell you that?? ‘the bible does’ oh yea that book written by men, hmm…. either way of believing is just a hypotheses right, all the stuff listed above is the most important part of life.. never knew that stuff, very cool..

Martin I wish catholicism was like that here.. Cause it’s not! It’s still stuck on the whole, your a sinner and your going to hell, save yourself approach.. so annoying

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