Pure truth can only come from your own heart, your own mind, your own soul or whatever you want to call it. Noone else’s words can ever change that. They may help form your own kind of truth, but as long as you believe in your heart and don’t take others’ truth for granted, there is no greater, truer truth than your own. Truth is relative, not absolute, and truth shapes the reality you choose to live in.
How would you define truth? How would you define reality?
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@hawcon, your view is very interesting to me. What is the difference from your idea of truth and someone else’s idea of faith or belief. It is my thought that truth has to be known by others in order to be called truth.
I wonder if you are talking about some kind of placebo effect.
you believe it to be true that you are cured so it becomes true
What your saying is absolute believe will become truth?
@hollowinfinity, its not about logic itself. And I get where your going with it but logic as a principle of understanding has to be “logically sound” to actually work which we all know that it does, otherwise we wouldn’t be talking. Yeah, I’m pretty aware that things take time. It takes quite a bit of time to seriously respond to your posts to make my point.
And if you don’t think Godel is relevant to truth or logic…
In regards to the difference between relative and absolute truth and how both are equally important: http://www.highexistence.com/topic/understanding-the-duality/
Please read my friends, it covers both views on truth.
@hollowinfinity, His incompleteness theorems still don’t contradict logic as a means of acquiring truth. The statement and following logical consequences of the example they gave which was “This statement is unprovable” are conundrums, but they don’t mean Truth is unattainable. God runs into a similar problem when people ask “Can God make a whatever-the-fuck so big that he can’t lift it?” It’s not to say that God can’t do anything, but God cannot be anything that isn’t true. God making something that’s greater than his ability to lift it is a logical contradiction and absurdity. So no, God can’t make something that he couldn’t lift because it is by God’s very nature that there is nothing he can’t lift. It’s not to say that the question isn’t true. The point is that it’s not a completely sound statement. The example they gave was a pretty good example, too which I’ve never heard before but it still doesn’t validate your point that Truth is unattainable. The fact that the statement can be made has to be founded on some fundamental, a priori Truth that grounds its validity.
And as for Logic has to be logical, while its circular, its not false. For Logic to make sense, the principles of the definition of logic have to be true to count Logic as a means of understanding.