Truth and reality

3 years, 7 months ago

Pure truth can only come from your own heart, your own mind, your own soul or whatever you want to call it. Noone else’s words can ever change that. They may help form your own kind of truth, but as long as you believe in your heart and don’t take others’ truth for granted, there is no greater, truer truth than your own. Truth is relative, not absolute, and truth shapes the reality you choose to live in.

How would you define truth? How would you define reality?

August 23, 2011 at 2:07 pm

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hawcon, If it’s relative, it isn’t Truth. Look up fundamental philosophical principle within logic, ethics, and metaphysics and you’ll see that Truth is obtainable. Not all the Truth in the universe but some of it is found here.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@bearacleitus, Look up Godel’s Incompleteness Theorems.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

Look up Logic by Aristotle

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hollowinfinity, The principle of Math don’t apply to the rest of existence. I’d like to see you refute some of the principles I’ve already laid out because you have yet to say that what I have posted is not true.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@bearacleitus, Its more about logic itself. Things take time too. Serious responses require thought.

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Profile photo of The Panolipsist The Panolipsist (@panolipsist) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hawcon, your view is very interesting to me. What is the difference from your idea of truth and someone else’s idea of faith or belief. It is my thought that truth has to be known by others in order to be called truth.

I wonder if you are talking about some kind of placebo effect.
you believe it to be true that you are cured so it becomes true

What your saying is absolute believe will become truth?

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hollowinfinity, its not about logic itself. And I get where your going with it but logic as a principle of understanding has to be “logically sound” to actually work which we all know that it does, otherwise we wouldn’t be talking. Yeah, I’m pretty aware that things take time. It takes quite a bit of time to seriously respond to your posts to make my point.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

“logic as a principle of understanding has to be “logically sound””
-Logic has to be logical?
-Isn’t that a logical fallacy?

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

And if you don’t think Godel is relevant to truth or logic…

http://plus.maths.org/content/goumldel-and-limits-logic

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

bizump. this shit gets buried too quickly.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

Seriously- Every time I mention Kurt Godel (Who made just as big, if not bigger discovery than Einstein) people run away and ignore the importance.

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hawcon,

In regards to the difference between relative and absolute truth and how both are equally important: http://www.highexistence.com/topic/understanding-the-duality/

Please read my friends, it covers both views on truth.

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hollowinfinity, @bearacleitus, @panolipsist, ^ above is for all of you

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Profile photo of Haakon Haakon (@hawcon) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@egarim, Good read about duality! Sums up my thoughts on this subject pretty well.

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Profile photo of The Panolipsist The Panolipsist (@panolipsist) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@egarim, Thank you for sharing that link.

@hawcon, Sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. I simply wanted to converse on the topic of the differences of faith and truth.

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Profile photo of Haakon Haakon (@hawcon) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@panolipsist, Haha no, it’s just that I didn’t quite understand your post, so I wasn’t sure what to reply.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@hollowinfinity, His incompleteness theorems still don’t contradict logic as a means of acquiring truth. The statement and following logical consequences of the example they gave which was “This statement is unprovable” are conundrums, but they don’t mean Truth is unattainable. God runs into a similar problem when people ask “Can God make a whatever-the-fuck so big that he can’t lift it?” It’s not to say that God can’t do anything, but God cannot be anything that isn’t true. God making something that’s greater than his ability to lift it is a logical contradiction and absurdity. So no, God can’t make something that he couldn’t lift because it is by God’s very nature that there is nothing he can’t lift. It’s not to say that the question isn’t true. The point is that it’s not a completely sound statement. The example they gave was a pretty good example, too which I’ve never heard before but it still doesn’t validate your point that Truth is unattainable. The fact that the statement can be made has to be founded on some fundamental, a priori Truth that grounds its validity.
And as for Logic has to be logical, while its circular, its not false. For Logic to make sense, the principles of the definition of logic have to be true to count Logic as a means of understanding.

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