Utopian society? Answer to every social problem

2 years, 2 months ago

I have just finished watching this documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
And I can say right now it is hard for me to refute the points brought up in this video. Other than the ability for it to happen. Are we so stuck in our ways that a change like this will never happen? Or is it an unavoidable eventuality that will happen with depletion of world resources and collapse of the monetary economic system. Any thoughts of the probability of this happening? Personally I think the problem deals with irrationality, from people ignoring facts, opinions are worthless if not supported by science or factual evidence, Maybe once it is realized that objective answers are available, then the change will occur

December 29, 2012 at 10:50 am

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Profile photo of Quig Quig (@quig) 2 years, 2 months ago ago

I’ve watched the Zeitgeist flicks and I respect the hell out of Peter Joseph for attempting to inject his ideas into our conversation about society. In spirit, I agree with almost everything he stands for.

It just seems a bit too idealist for me. Advocating for a stateless, resources based economy isn’t really a new idea. To me his ideas sound like a modern version of something Eugene Debs might say.

If everyone could get on the same page then I think it would work great. People are shit heads, though. Again, in spirit I’m all for the Zeitgeist stuff/Venus Project. But at the end of the day I just don’t think it’s realistic.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 2 months ago ago

@robbiekarlson, I’ve done a lot of looking into “The Venus Project” not so much on “The Zeitgeist Movement” but the former spawned the latter and eventually broke free on its own, the latter being more activistic whereas the former being practical design. The thing is, and Jaques Fresco will not deny it, that for a resource based economy to even get a look in, something drastic along the lines of a complete global economic breakdown of the system is needed.
The thing is; If that happened then you will still have corporate entities that have made contingency preparations for such an eventuation and these will go on into a Feudal style system that they can maintain control and dominate, even violently opposing any such attempts by what ever kind of alternate organization is left.
There are things society can do right now to focus the system that we have toward the greater benefit, such as mass strategic consumerism, that will motivate business ethics in the direction of social and environmental global responsibilities. That is much more practical than these propositions. However; if ever the opportunity does present itself, either by natural social evolution or by each(a majority) individual reaching the state of rationality that this would require to support it, then I would recommend we seize it.
Anyway, the potential to focus the system we have is great enough to solve most problems and no freedoms or rights need be violated in the process, it is just a very daunting task to organize enough people on the international level, or even to breech the powerful apathy barriers for such a following. But people do not realize how such things will drastically improve their lives, and everyone elses, otherwise their selfish nature would kick in and we would get it done easy.

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Profile photo of Zach Zach (@stayfoolish) 2 years, 2 months ago ago

Hate to say it but the probability of a Resource Based Economy happening in the short term(like our lifetime) is extremely low. I am completely on board and agree with its ideology but a complete break down of the current system would have to occur. Those who have power and are making money will not welcome the idea of giving everything up. Zeitgeist quotes Jimi Hendrix by saying “When the power of love is greater than the love of power the world will know peace.”

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Profile photo of Marlen Marlen (@marlen) 2 years, 2 months ago ago

We rather propose the Equal Money Capitalism, which is essentially making of our current system an actual living opportunity on Earth to be supported as LIFE, as what capitalism always intended and as such simply give money to every single being instead of only having money accessible for a few. This will change the way things work: from money as the goal to a living sustainable solution. Read the goals at equalmoney.org

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