Vaporizer vs. Smoking

3 years, 7 months ago

I used to smoke a ridiculous amount of pot. I liked it, obviously, but there were downsides. I had less energy and it was harder to remember things. I would feel groggy and have this heavy feeling in my eyeballs(only way I can think to explain it) the morning after smoking. I have heard that vaporizers are healthier for you, and I’m wondering if vaporizing rather than smoking weed lessens these adverse effects? Any input is much appreciated.

September 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

I also smoked pot, for about 10 years but I quit, I’m over it. I have not used a vaporizer but I have heard it makes it more potent, so I presume the adverse effects would actually increase (at least the groggy and brain pain part).

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Profile photo of Phil Drolet Phil Drolet C (@phildrolet) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Ray, I actually believing vaporizing reduces the adverse effects, for the actual reason that it is more potent (greater %age of THC absorbed). That way, you actually need less weed, so you get less of the toxins and negative effects.

It’s also a clearer high because you’re putting less shit in your system.

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Profile photo of L.T L.T (@1love) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

vaporizer doesnt burn the weed, thus you inhale less carcinogens. These carcinogens that you usually burn when you smoke out of a bong has a lot of other chemicals that contribute to that high your always use to. Vaporizer on the other hand heat up the bud at a very high temperature that allows the most thc to be inhaled while limiting the carcinogens. So this is why you get a very clean high but you get higher

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Profile photo of James James (@jameslarson13) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

leland knows whats up. vaping ensures that what your inhaling is more pure, less other stuff that, like leland said, would contribute to your normal high. theres no way to tell what substances have which effects, so the only way to know for sure is trial and error.

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Profile photo of 1.61803399 1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Spent the earlier teen years of my life smoking weed heavy.. Now I limit to weekends for the same reasons.

Personally Vaperizer is something I’ll never do again.. not that its bad I just don’t like the high.. Its like super duper lazy mode where you sit on the couch and not even your own will can get you up.. almost feel brain dead. No reason to ever be that stoned plus I enjoy the smoking part of the weed experience the most. I don’t even smoke blunts.. just papers or bong tokes

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Profile photo of James James (@jameslarson13) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

@ anon i feel like no matter how i smoke, i always want to do something when im high. I never understood the stereotype of the couch bound stoner. my mindset is, well im in this state, why waste it?

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie M (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

James, I feel like like that too while I’m high but afterwords I feel so tired and zombified. I’m not sure it’s worth it.

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Profile photo of Cody Cody (@versai) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Vaporizing is the best way to go!

My first experience ever with mary jane was in a volcano vaporizer, and it worked extremely well. I’ve heard that most people don’t get high their first times smoking, but after 20 minutes the first bag had turned all my senses up 400%, and I was melting into the bed. My first 20 highs were on a volcano, and were all the most intense experiences I’ve ever had, comparable to even my DMT trips. I slowly gained function and trained myself to handle the high–but that’s a phase all tokers go through, it’s not vapor specific.

Months went by that I didn’t smoke, then I got a new job and a huge paycheck. The first thing I bought was a volcano, and it’s been my best purchase ever. The bag is super easy to fill up and pass around. The hits are smooth, the high is clear, and it’s more than twice as efficient than burning the ganja. I just celebrated it’s 1 year anniversary and estimated I’ve saved $2700 in weed! The volcano is a top-line equipment at ~$650, but it pays for itself within months of use. 1 ‘bowl’ in the volcano can fill 5 bags of vapor to get someone as high as 2-3 bowls smoked. Every day I get high, and every day I thank the volcano for saving my health and hobby.

I also like my Magic Flight. It’s a small handheld vaporizer that fits in my pocket. It’s equally as impressive as the volcano in that it delivers a smooth, clean high. It lacks the power of the volcano, but makes up for it in portability and style, and is still very efficient.

Vaping is just so easy. It takes the work out of it and I can smoke inside with a air purifier/fan because the vapor’s scent doesn’t linger like smoke does.

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Profile photo of Phil Phil (@phil) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Vaporizers win!!…but Smoking is the most satisfying i find. Remember the strain you smoke also plays a part in the effects and after effects

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie M (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

I live in Nebraska so I can’t be picky about strains, haha.

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Profile photo of Jeff Jeff (@pairodime) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

depends on what you want out of it, i prefer smoking but vapes are good for when you have things to do lol

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Profile photo of Phil Phil (@phil) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

I live in south africa so i grow my own xD

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Profile photo of Max H Max H (@traceur) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

I own a vaporizer.
That said, I know a lot of others that have one too but use it completely wrong. Its a slightly different high, easier to manage in my opinion, more thc, less other psychoactives and carcinogens, so it IS healthier.
I have never, except ONE time in my life, seen another person use a vape right. When you use it YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THE AIR(if you need some reinforcement, a little bit of smoke from a slightly too high temp probably wont kill you). THC vapor is transparent, you know youre starting to burn the carbon and other things out when you can see the air you exhale.
You must get used to your vape to find the correct setting right below where you would typically see it combusting(smoking). Some trial and error is needed. The setting if it has a number readout DOES NOT necessarily mean that is the temp it is set to. ALSO, people think it isnt working since they dont dont see smoke and arent getting high, the truth is the THC turning into a vapor is a much slower process than most are used to from the typical combusting methods. Depending on the amount, it can take 15+ minutes of vaping to get that desired 95% THC research indicates. BE FLIPPIN PATIENT!!!! Also Ive never had to pack it multiple times unless i am with 5+ people total. You wont be able to really tell when your herb is completely finished so its really anybody’s guess.
So if you are using or buying a vape for health benefits, follow my advice. If you are eventually successful in doing this correctly, you will not have to worry about ANY LUNG CANCER or even any damage to your lungs (that is unless typical hot/warm/dry air from anywhere actually damages lungs). Vaporizing correctly also allows the smell to clear the area very fast since vapor, unlike smoke, isnt very sticky and disipates quickly.
Sorry to write a whole short guide to vaping but so many people dont know what theyre doing and just assume the vape *does it all* for them. hope this helps. This is based on a combination of my experiences and reading, mostly experiences, and im no Doctor so take what you will away from what i say, or do your own research.
As to address your real question Ellie, no, the only known adverse effects you prevent are the lung cancer part (if youre doing it right).

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Profile photo of Phil Drolet Phil Drolet C (@phildrolet) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Max: so you’re saying you need to slow burn the bud at low temp?

My roommates and I have been experimenting with “hot knives” as a super economical way to have weed (weed is hard to come by in Perth and with this method all you need is 2 tiny tiny buds per person). It also gives a really productive high.

The knives are fucking burning red, so it’s like super-heat. I don’t know the chemical intricacies, but I know it works very well. Speaking of which, I think I might take a little trip to the kitchen just now.. ;)

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie M (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Anon, I think I might just do what you do and limit it to weekends. Do you find yourself mentally slower or more tired during the week when you limit smoking to weekends?

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Profile photo of Max H Max H (@traceur) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Your hot knife method might be efficient and i can see how you thought it would be similar to vaporizing since you arent directly using open flame, but you might still be burning the bad stuff attached to the carbon that youll see in the smoke. Okay, heres where i go ever so slightly against what i said previously, there is a chance you will see Water vapor since it is released with the other vapor and is not smoke and wont give you lung cancer, however the minute amount of water contained in plant material (especailly partially dried plant material like weed is smoked as) is not going to look anything like steam so its hard to even see at all if you are doing it right and not letting it actually burn. However you MIGHT see it. its hard to distinguish though since straight up burning cannabis smoke is pretty white. Most of the time you cant see it, unless your weed is leafy and supple and isnt dry.
Edit: Ellie, when i vape only on the weekends, that slightly sluggish feeling only lasts partly into the next day, after some excersise i feel pretty clear. just give it a try. Keep a journal of how you feel if necessary.

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Profile photo of Cody Cody (@versai) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Also not yet mentioned is the taste of vapor… it tastes so good!

At 360*F you begin to vaporize THC, but are still at a low enough heat to vaporize flavinoids without destroying them. Instead of harsh smoke, you can taste/smell the subtle and delicious differences between strains. Some are like farts, others like cotton candy. All potent when done at the right temperature, finely ground. Like Max said, there’s a lot of technique in it, and one of the most important ones is getting a good grinder that nearly powderizes your herb. More surface area for the heated air to come in contact with. Also stirring your pot after refills to keep it loose.

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Profile photo of James James (@jameslarson13) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

the boiling point of thc is 315 *F. 360 is far too high. no pun intended.

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Profile photo of Max H Max H (@traceur) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

lol and yes, i was being lazy about looking up the v-point of thc, if i recall its around 265 F.

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Profile photo of Cody Cody (@versai) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Well lets not be lazy, wikipedia says 315 F, 365 F, and 392 F on different pages. It all depends what you measure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_consumption

Cannabis has a lot of different cannabinoids, each enhancing the other, and you may release some to get a high as low as 265… but you’re barely getting the effect of the plant!

http://totse.info/bbs/archive/index.php/t-1320.html

Some vaporizers are weak and don’t properly heat the material hot enough, others too hot. I believe some prefer the ‘smoking’ experience simply because combustion releases 100% of the high that they might have missed out on from a crap vaporizing method.

My experience from precise digital temperature vaporizing is that 365 gives the full punch of a bong rip with the taste of an edible, and is not too hot to burn the organic material or too hot to release the unesirable cannabinoids that make smoking feel like that ‘heavy’ load.

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Profile photo of Max H Max H (@traceur) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

@Cody – “365 gives the full punch of a bong rip with the taste of an edible, and is not too hot to burn the organic material or too hot to release the unesirable cannabinoids that make smoking feel like that ‘heavy’ load.”
But it does, at 365 you are getting smoke, not straight up combustion, but it is most certainly releasing the other psychoactives and carcinogens at that temp. Perhaps not the entirety of them, but a lot.
You are right though that if you want the full high, smoke the smoke, a vape is just more for if you care about your lung health / potential for cancer.

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Profile photo of Cody Cody (@versai) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

A vape is for controlling what you want. I can choose a light, silly high or a dark, deep one. I should have said “the impact of a bong punch without the punch”
Refering to this study: http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php/1320-Marijuana-Vaporization-Study?s=49e0e1ca421185974232d53450b594e2

“The tables with the specific vaporization temperatures are good, too, because you can set your vaporizer to specifically release certain cannabinoids. For example, if you want a more euphoric than sedating high, set your vape to 315˚F, to release more THC than CBN, which vapes at 365˚F.

In a recent study, traces of THC were vaporized at temperatures as low as 140°C (284°F) and the majority of THC vaporized by 185°C (365°F); benzene and other carcinogenic vapors did not appear until 200°C (392°F), and cannabis combustion occurred around 230°C (446°F) (Gieringer 2001).”

cannflavin A and apigenin flavinoids boil right around 360, and the maximum thc at 365. You don’t get anything harmful until the 392+ range.

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Profile photo of Max H Max H (@traceur) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

hmmm, that is quite interesting, specifically the carcinogen part. I was previously just vaping for thc but i didnt know that “benzene and other carcinogenic vapors did not appear until 200°C (392°F)”. Ill have to read up on this Gieringer study. I was worried that as soon as smoke-like air was being produced that it indicated the release of carcinogenic molecules found in smoke from combustion.

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Profile photo of Em Em (@emily) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

Gosh I just adore pot, and I think I always will :) (To each his own…) Ellie here’s a tiny bit more info…and some suggestions on where to get a vaporizer if you’re thinking about it… http://www.highexistence.com/discussions/topic/contemplating-investing-in-a-vaporizer/

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Profile photo of Eric Eric M (@blankey) 3 years, 7 months ago ago

I would say it mainly has to do with the strain you smoke and not the equipment you use to smoke them with.

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