Vegan Challenge Anyone?
For the past two years (roughly) I have been a vegetarian and at this point in my life would never consider going back to consuming meat. But within the past few months I have become very curious about veganism and have decided to give it a shot for one solid month. My main reasons for doing this are…
1. The positive environmental impact of adopting a vegan diet is significant… (If anyone wants cited evidence just pick up a book or do a little online research! Also, there is a great Netflix documentary called available right now.)http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Vegucated/70245084?locale=en-US
2. I have heard many reports of how amazing people feel (mentally and physically) after going vegan, so I am curious how that will translate to my experience.
3. Many spiritual-minded individuals also claim that ingesting animal-based foods negatively affect spiritual growth, so I would like to see if that is my truth as well.
4. I just would like to experience veganism for the sake of experiencing it. It is becoming more and more popular as a lifestyle choice and I have been curious about it, so why not adopt this diet for 30 days and just see what it’s like?
I also realize many of you HEthens are content with your current dietary choices and if so that’s great, but this thread is not meant to be a discussion about why going vegan is a “good” or “bad” choice… Instead, I am challenging anyone who is interested in trying out this lifestyle for 30 days to join me for the month of January. Ideally, we could document how we feel physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually throughout the month and compare results with one another. Soooo…Is anyone in?!
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@kipgoeing, Thank you for responding to this post :)
Who says humans need meat to be healthy? All scientific evidence points to the contrary; that humans do not need meat to be healthy. Why do we have teeth of herbivores? (So-called ‘canines’ are not meat-eating teeth) Why do our jaws move side to side the same way cows and horses and goats do but not up and down very wide as cats and dogs and lions and crocodiles do? Why is the ratio of our GI tract:torso length more similar to herbivores than to carnivores? Why do we not have claws or any other way built into our bodies to kill a decent sized animal. We must use tools/our brains (persistence hunt) in order to kill an animal. Why do we have a pH more similar to herbivores than carnivores? Why do we secrete an amylase in our saliva(hint: meat contains no carbohydrates)? These are merely questions worth considering.
Who says we are predators? We are humans, we adapt to anything we can. We did not originate in the areas surrounding the poles, so the Inuit are a poor example. They are a perfect example of human beings remarkable ability to adapt to anything. You say that is natural? Then why do they have to wear clothes? No other animals that exist around the Inuits wear clothes!
Beef, poultry, and fish all contain cholesterol which clogs human arteries if consumed in excess. Cholesterol does not clog a cat’s arteries. Why is that if we are so perfectly adapted to meat eating?
I don’t believe anybody said wolves are evil, did they?
Who’s to say what is and what is not natural? What is your definition of natural?
Indians live on ghee, so I wouldn’t really use them as an example of model vegans, lol :P Also, they have an interesting situation where there are lots of poor people. I don’t really know a lot about them, but I know the kids there are not given an optimal situation for training for the olympics. Nothing like western nations. How many Inuit win Olympic medals? Many of the Indians who are wealthy enough to even have the possibility of receiving the training needed to go to the Olympics still live with the old idea that fat=wealth, so they stuff their faces all day long haha!
Ever heard of Scott Jurek? Carl Lewis? Mike Arnstein? Just to name a few. You mentioned something about slow vegans. Check out those dudes. They are caring men who have won a few races.
Who says veganism was impossible 200 years ago?
“Being healthy means being natural. History dictates that veganism is not natural for our species.”
Again, who says what is natural? “History,” only covers the past, what, 10,000 years? How long have humans existed on this planet in what we call prehistory? That is the part that we know almost nothing about. The large majority of human “history” is pure 100% speculation based on what anthropologists can gather. What is interesting is how well things preserve in cold climates. In cold climates, it is obvious that there would be less vegetation for humans to consume and more animals. Being that humans are remarkably adaptable, of course they ate meat. What about in warm climates? Well, things don’t preserve very well in warm climates. And, if it does, bones will preserve much better than dried figs! I am not trying to say I am some expert anthropologist, but you must think deeper, my friend. There is more than meets the eye.
“You say you’re a vegan lifter, well I bet I’m stronger than you.” Somebody got defensive! You stronger than this guy? http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi
“We don’t have a moral responsibility to keep animals from getting farmed.”
Do what feels right for you.
“If we didn’t farm them they wouldn’t exist.”
Possibly the worst logic I’ve ever heard for keeping a species alive, but whatever works for you!
“Saying you don’t believe in mass farming is like saying to millions of animals, “I wish you were never born.””
“Animals get eaten.”
Nice one ;)
“It’s just how it is.”
You’re damn right!
“If you don’t like it, take it up with Mother Nature or God or wherever you feel your argument wont fall on deaf ears.”
Or, just live the way you feel is right and live passionately, and others will always follow. When living with passion, people *always* follow.
“Everything I’ve said makes sense.”
It’s easy to say things that make sense to yourself! Trust me, I do it allll the time!
Ahhhh, it all makes sense ;)
Good to see you thought hard on your experiences.
All in fun, my fellow food eater. I enjoy discussing this. I hope you enjoy this food for thought!
Here’s some great websites for the vegetarian and Vegan recipes
I’m vegan since mid-summer, and a quite active person. That will be a good challenge for people who question themselves about what to do in order not only to be more aware about the resources we consume but also our place on the earth towards other sentient beings. One going on a vegan diet should slowly transition to eat. You can slowly decrease your meat consumption and dairies, and include more nutrients-rich foods – that calm the need for meat. Here is a small guideline you guys can follow
#1- Start by adding more whole grains into the diet
#2- More veggies
#3- Less red meat, then less fish, then finally the dairies
No rush, especially if you consider it as a new (2013) Lifestyle :)
The China Study by Colin Campbell
The Food Revolution by John Robbins
Eat to Live by Joel Fuhrman
If interested in raw; 80/10/10 by Doug Graham
If interested in running; Eat & Run by Scott Jurek
Those are a few of my favorites.
If interested in raw; 30bananasaday.com
If interested in raw; http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/sitemap.html
Dr. McDougall’s recipe index; http://www.drmcdougall.com/newsletter/recipeindex.html
Dean Ornish’s program; http://www.ornishspectrum.com/
Physicians committee for responsible medicine; http://www.pcrm.org/
Best speech you will ever hear; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=es6U00LMmC4
Animal rights argument; http://www.towardsfreedom.com/210.html
Recipe blog; http://veganizzm.com/
Recipe blog; http://theveganstoner.blogspot.com/
@collinsj2009, I intend to try a diet that cuts out red meat, to see what it is like. I will continue fish and fowl, the white meats, but lose the rest. This is very hard at the moment because I live in a big red meat eating household, we have chicken and fish about once each per week, the rest being some brand of red meat, I think this trend should be flipped and only have red meat twice or at most 3 times a week.
But I may be moving out soon so that will make it easier to do. Tonight I told my dad not to give me meat, just veggies, but I did end up sneeking in a sausage.
I am not doing it for ethical reasons, only for health. I want to do a detox and hopefully un-impact any of the meat from my colon, something I have never done before and is likely over-due.
As for “Vegan Challenge” one step at a time :)
@kipgoeing, wow on of the best answer there.
“People need meat to be healthy” I’m myself a lifter AND vegan, I don’t feel like I’m missing something. What makes you think that?
“We are predators” : history showed we indeed hunted, but what does the history showed us, maybe that we killed when we were unable to find other edible food around. I don’t think we are the best predators, we just run like chickens when there is a tiger around man. Nature designed us, we evolved, the brain evolved much quicker than any other species, we lost some teeth, and we lost our fur. History showed us that we ADAPT. And that is the keypoint of biological evolutions. Changes through decades (nervous ones, metabolic one, physical ones, which all aim to maintain our survival.)
“You don’t need to eat vegan to feel good” Well, do YOU need to eat meat in order to feel good? Cook some freshly killed animal on the fire and tell me if you enjoy it, that doesn’t sound like a good argument.
“If you’re concerned about animals or the environment then you need to learn to farm your own food” Definitely agree with that statement :)
“Nature says they have to kill the dear to survive”. Nature says it’s all about the least effort. Running after a zebra is more difficult than picking an apple from the tree. But I see you are in good shape, so maybe you know as I do how conservation mechanisms work and what human biology is about when it comes to health and nutrients disposal.
“In modern day humans may be able to survive as a vegan, but that’s not natural. We can’t change hundreds of thousands of years of genetics in a few years just because we decide we want to be nice to the environment.” Interesting question, but again, it’s all about an organism within its environment. Did nature designed mass slaughtering, animal exploitation, markets, food distribution chains?
“And is life about surviving or thriving?” Depens on where you want to be I guess :)
“because you’re not going thrive on vegan food” Again, what is your backup for such statement?
“Ever wonder why India is nearly the biggest country in the world, yet they don’t have anyone at the olympics winning medals?” I like that website http://www.greatveganathletes.com/
By the way, I enjoyed Brendan Brazier’s book :)
I can’t wait to read a bit more about the sources of your claim, especially the death all vegans are facing on a daily basis
@collinsj2009, I’m actually on day 11? (I started a couple days before the 1st), and I just recently went through some weird emotional rollercoasters. What seems like raging females hormones, but it has subsided. I feel about the same physically and mentally. My focus and energy levels are normal. I have felt a few moments of near euphoria, just random complete happiness, and I’m getting a lot of bad-for-you carb cravings. I’m eating a lot of greens, rice, beans, and nuts.
@kipgoeing, If you would have read the OP… “this thread is not meant to be a discussion about why going vegan is a “good” or “bad” choice…”
You are more than welcome to start your own debate in a new thread if you are that passionate about discussing the topic. However, I can’t let this one slide…
“We don’t have a moral responsibility to keep animals from getting farmed. If we didn’t farm them they wouldn’t exist. Saying you don’t believe in mass farming is like saying to millions of animals, “I wish you were never born.” Animals get eaten. It’s just how it is. If you don’t like it, take it up with Mother Nature or God or wherever you feel your argument wont fall on deaf ears.”
Not to feed fuel to this unnecessary fire (can’t help it), but no vegan in their right mind (who is vegan for animal rights) WANTS animals to be BORN into a farm factory life. Call me cruel, but yes, I would wish they were never born than the endure the suffering they go through. It is beyond me how incredibly terrible the industry is, but that obviously that does not phase you one bit. Also, animals WOULD exist without farms. I’m pretty sure they were doing just fine before we came along and started fucking shit up.
@deafening, @, @verona, @rosehrynickbrowne, @arenofnote, @flightfacilities, @domovoi, how has it been going for you guys?! For me, I have found that my energy levels have been great… no problem with getting up in the morning or staying out late. My mood has been really steady and I have not found it hard to stay away from cheese one bit. This month (so far) has been such an amazing experience and has only strengthened the confidence I have in my power of discipline. I am still unsure as to whether or not I will go back to consuming dairy products. I know for myself, honey is something I have no qualms with ingesting, but milk is another story. What do you guys see for yourselves in the future?
@collinsj2009, I’ve really wanted to, after reading a few articles on pigs especially…one saying how much suffering they go through in the meat industry, and the other about how intelligent they are. They say a pig can live up to 10-12 years naturally, but barely even gets to 1 year in the meat industry….when I think about that I feel as if their lives are being stolen. Also, pigs have been known to appreciate music, get depression, and even enjoy video games (not saying its nice that they get depressed, but rather i’m pointing out that pigs are capable of some very human qualities).
The only thing keeping me from doing this is that I don’t do our grocery shopping and am not living on my own yet.
@sammomantha, for the iron, in fact, there are some interesting ways of preventing that, via folic Acid, vitamine B12 (yup :) ), adequate protein intakes, copper, vitamine C, spirulina and chlorophyll-rich foods :)
Here is a good list of iron-rich foods : http://goo.gl/sKav9
What I like about being vegan food-wise is that it REALLY brings in the conscious of the diet, hardcore way, so you take a great care (well sometimes it’s not the case, but in most it is, since you just…don’t wake up and say “oh what about being vegan”) thus you sometimes not only to experiment but cook and enjoy trying new recipes. In most cases you always end up to eat healthier that you were previously.
I’ve been thinking about doing something like this going vegan or at least cuting out sources of beef pork and poultry. I know many vegans and its true, mentally and physically well being is much higher! (As long as all soureces of proteins and fats are met). Ill keep you posted I may have to do this come the first of the month or this coming spring. Another major reason for doing this is because like you said, the positive environmental impact, ethically it’s just the right thing to do. If you happen to have a veggie garden or are interested in gardening check out “Biodynamic agriculture” founded by Rudolf Steiner. Super organic “spiritually enhanced” foods!
@razique, oh that’s a really good site! Thanks for posting it…in favourites now =oD
I agree, it does really make you think about your diet! When I originally went vegan I was so unhealthy in some ways. It is only now that I am getting a bit older that I am really conscious about nutrients, and when I have experimented with being Vegan again, and raw, I have really put effort into thinking about what I am eating. Lack of prep can set you up for failure I think (which what happened with me).
@kipgoening, I totally understand you have had your experience with veganism and it just wasn’t for you. But don’t you think everyone has there own truth? By making statements like “Veganism is stupid” and “people need meat to be healthy” (which is totally not true but that’s a whole different topic) you are discounting other’s beliefs and lifestyles just because it isn’t not the one you have chosen for yourself. Honestly, I am not entirely sure if you realize how negative, impolite and impulsive your previous comments have sounded but they aren’t adding anything positive to this discussion whatsoever… and that is why I asked about your intentions. But I would love to hear about why veganism didn’t work for you and your actual experience if you were willing to share that.
@trek79, haha “un-impact any of the meat from my colon”! Lovely ( : And yeah, I absolutely agree, one step at a time. My reasons for becoming a vegetarian were health related, vegan definitely environmental and ethical. Good luck with wherever your journey takes you!
@collinsj2009, I’m in. I have experimented with my diet all year and my ultimate goal is to be vegan, and gluten free. Having support and a place to vent and keep track of my diet is very helpful. What is your plan?
@lytning91, try it buddy. If you plan everything out you might end up spending less money of food than you do now. And you might eat less calories.
@theskafish, if there is a will there is a way.
Would any of you consider eating insects as a source of protein? jw
i’ve considered going vegan. but i know i would still eat some meat occasionally, it least on the transition. the problem is i need a high source of protein. what are different sources of protein vegan foods/dishes i can try does anyone know? for example im trying to take in 60g of protein a day ( i weight lift, need to gain more weight for my body height ). ill appreciate any @mentions / suggestions. thanks in advance.
@adamd, I said “It sucked” because i didn’t want to make a 15 page post like you. I didn’t like smelling it when people would bbq ribs. I didnt like the fake cheese on my fake burgers. The burgers themselves weren’t that bad. It’s waaay harder than being a vegetarian and the pay off was not worth it. I usually ate cheese and eggs from Amish farmers anyway and I always felt like I wanted more food. Fish have like 5 second memories, I don’t feel bad about eating them. If animals are the ones that are unhappy, how come it’s humans who have 40,000+ suicide every year in the U.S. alone? You don’t see cattle doing that. We are the ones who are really born into a farm. Our society is a fucking farm.
All this stuff that scientists say about how animals evolved is just speculation based on small amounts of inconclusive “evidence”.
I wasn’t trying to start a discussion about evolution. I was just trying to make my response to the opening post. Perhaps I should have I should have just responded with “Not for me.” We are off topic now. Perhaps this is a good subject for a new thread.
@theskafish, I just recently learned about the intelligence and sensitivity of pigs as well! I had no idea how smart they actually were. And totally understandable about the money situation.
@dawveed, just about to order Stenier’s book “Nutrition: Food, Health and Spiritual Development”. This guy sounds absolutely amazing! Thank you for the recommendation!
(@collinsj2009) One of the things about ecology, and I am no claiming that there are no disadvantages to mass animal indusries, but farms that grow fruit, veggies, herbs, spices, etc, these sap the nutrients out of the soil, which is off-set usually by fertilizers primarily gleaned from animal farms.
I might be interested in joining! Christmas was my last day with meat in my life. New Years Eve was going to be my last day with dairy in my life – except I was thinking about keeping eggs for a while because I live in China and I eat a lot of eggs. I can live without eggs but need to make sure I have enough things to eat before I completely remove them – I think. :-) Anyone else living abroad??
@heedthem, give them time to get to the things that aren’t dietary. Even I can’t get away from somethings… *sigh* damn you glues!!!
I’ve been vegan for 2 years. I will never look back. i feel better, my GI upsets are next to non-existant now and mentally I feel more “clear”.
be forwarned.. a lot of people will try and push your button on the subject of being a vegan… stay strong :)
@collinsj2009, whoops! my apologies for the delay in response, I haven’t had access to a computer in awhile. I completely felt a difference in health and overall the way I felt. It is quite difficult to keep up when it comes to expenses and eating with friends.That being said, my circumstances are quite different seeing as I am a college kid. Consider this challenge as a detox!
Let me know what you decide to do!