Vegan Challenge Anyone?
For the past two years (roughly) I have been a vegetarian and at this point in my life would never consider going back to consuming meat. But within the past few months I have become very curious about veganism and have decided to give it a shot for one solid month. My main reasons for doing this are…
1. The positive environmental impact of adopting a vegan diet is significant… (If anyone wants cited evidence just pick up a book or do a little online research! Also, there is a great Netflix documentary called available right now.)http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Vegucated/70245084?locale=en-US
2. I have heard many reports of how amazing people feel (mentally and physically) after going vegan, so I am curious how that will translate to my experience.
3. Many spiritual-minded individuals also claim that ingesting animal-based foods negatively affect spiritual growth, so I would like to see if that is my truth as well.
4. I just would like to experience veganism for the sake of experiencing it. It is becoming more and more popular as a lifestyle choice and I have been curious about it, so why not adopt this diet for 30 days and just see what it’s like?
I also realize many of you HEthens are content with your current dietary choices and if so that’s great, but this thread is not meant to be a discussion about why going vegan is a “good” or “bad” choice… Instead, I am challenging anyone who is interested in trying out this lifestyle for 30 days to join me for the month of January. Ideally, we could document how we feel physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually throughout the month and compare results with one another. Soooo…Is anyone in?!
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@collinsj2009, I’ve really wanted to, after reading a few articles on pigs especially…one saying how much suffering they go through in the meat industry, and the other about how intelligent they are. They say a pig can live up to 10-12 years naturally, but barely even gets to 1 year in the meat industry….when I think about that I feel as if their lives are being stolen. Also, pigs have been known to appreciate music, get depression, and even enjoy video games (not saying its nice that they get depressed, but rather i’m pointing out that pigs are capable of some very human qualities).
The only thing keeping me from doing this is that I don’t do our grocery shopping and am not living on my own yet.
@jamesroemer, I agree what Razique said. It mainly comes down to calories in versus calories out. However, you can be really healthy on a vegan diet…you can also be really unhealthy. Just skip all the junky food (or have it only on occasion). Or make your own ‘junky’ food using wholefoods. As Razique said – whole grains, and also healthy fats such as avocado, nuts and seeds will help keep calories up without having to eat crap loads.
Also, as he said – B12 is an important nutrient to ensure you get. There is no harm in taking a supplement if you feel more comfortable with that. People also feel iron can be an issue, but I used to be anaemic when I ate meat, and haven’t been since I went vego (except when I didnt eat enough at all due to other reasons). You just need to be aware of iron sources – I think some nuts (maybe brazil nuts but don’t quote me) are high in iron, as is molasses, and cacao powder. Protein won’t be an issue (although many think it will) if you eat enough nuts, seeds, and green leafy veggies.
There are so many healthy, yummy and nutritious choices to make when being vegan. (I think half the reason I am writing this is also to psych myself up ha ha). I think you just have to be prepared, as it seems you already know!
If you like food, like me, then you can have a great time experimenting with different recipes. I found it helpful to find alternate versions of the stuff that I really thought I would miss. Such as for me, I know I’ll miss milk, therefore I experiment with nut milks. I will also miss chocolate, but as long as I’m not lazy I can now make really yummy healthy chocolate at home.
Anyway, it’s called having a discussion. This is an open thread and everything I’ve said relates to the topic. Why are you asking what my intentions are? So what if it’s to persuade? What world do you live in where it’s not okay to try and change a person’s mind? Don’t be bitter. Everything I’ve said makes sense.
@razique, I live in New Zealand… Quorn is available here..
I am sure it must be available in France… I think Quorn is originally from UK, but it will be a big surprise if it not available in France…
Here’s another Video…
@scott3600, Shopping at a health food store costs me about $100/wk. I am going to switch to a major grocery and use their savings card which I’m hoping will bring me to 50-75/wk. (I feed 2 people)
Have you considered cutting out meat for 30 days instead going full vegan? It will help you be more aware of what you are consuming, and you’ll still be able to see a difference in your health and body.
@timschirmer, since I’m a vegan, I pretty much enjoy sprouting and soaking grains, not only they remove the enzyme inhibitors for some food, they also change both texture and taste :) (pearl barley for instance). Buy some raw grains and experiments, I’m sure you’ll find some things you’d enjoy : spices, onions, seaweeds…etc, along with that, mixed with oils. I’m sure you can find something good. You can even smash some soaked lentils along yours beans and make some cookies for instance :)
@collinsj2009, I actually decided last night to become vegan after being vegetarian for a few months and watching Vegucated. It was perfect timing to see this post.
Tonight will be my first time vegan grocery shopping, and I will be spending the day researching recipes and what foods I’ll need to incorporate into my diet. My first try at being vegan a few years ago was a hot mess of a failure because I didn’t do my homework.
So, I’m definitely in. Hopefully for life.
@collinsj2009, I am a vegetarian as well, I experimented with a vegan diet for about 3 months and loved it. The only issues I had dealt with the expenses of having this diet as well as eating with friends. I was inspired by a book called “Skinny Bitch” by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin. It’s a great read, I highly suggest it! Good luck to you!
I have considered it but I need to get my money first before I attempt to, or else I know I will fail. Also…I don’t know that it would signal the end of my meat days, but I’m willing to see if I can even do it.
@sammomantha, for the iron, in fact, there are some interesting ways of preventing that, via folic Acid, vitamine B12 (yup :) ), adequate protein intakes, copper, vitamine C, spirulina and chlorophyll-rich foods :)
Here is a good list of iron-rich foods : http://goo.gl/sKav9
What I like about being vegan food-wise is that it REALLY brings in the conscious of the diet, hardcore way, so you take a great care (well sometimes it’s not the case, but in most it is, since you just…don’t wake up and say “oh what about being vegan”) thus you sometimes not only to experiment but cook and enjoy trying new recipes. In most cases you always end up to eat healthier that you were previously.
Right now I’m trying to adapt to a Triphasic Sleep Schedule – 3×90 minutes a day.
I’ve heard that changing to a vegan diet may contribute to an easier adaption, though, some have also said that it doesn’t do anything.
Anyways, can any of you suggest me some sites on vegan diets? Since I’m totally new to this.
You can count me in.
@deafening, Thanks for your reply, I might just try cutting out the meat from my diet like you say, that way it won’t be that expensive. So in a sense I would just be like a vegetarian then. Should I also replace cows milk with soya milk?
@kipgoeing, From what little I’ve seen, most species in the family Hominidae have eyes on the front of their heads. Along with that, they consume primarily vegan diets with humans being the only ones who consume dairy after childhood and all of the species consuming some amount of meat but preferring fruit and tender greens if available. The reason the eyes are on the front of the head as opposed to the side is that we evolved in the trees. You must have acute depth perception to swing through trees. That is also why we have thumbs that allow us to grasp so well. Going back to how adaptable we are, these traits also work very well, we figured out, for scoping out prey and grasping weapons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae#Physical_description
And yes, I firmly believe that all scientific evidence points to eliminating animal products from one’s diet being beneficial. Here is one link to check out. http://nutritionfacts.org/ Sorry, I have got to go, but I will leave you with a few other scientists to check out if you find the time/have the interest. Dr John McDougall. Dr Calwell Esselstyne. Dr Neal Barnard.
“That bodybuilder guy is a modern vegan. He lives in the age when it’s possible to get huge and still be a vegan. Don’t you tell me he would have been able to do that 200 years ago before food got shipped in from all over the world. Show my a bodybuilder who is a third or fourth generation vegan.”
Yes, he is a modern vegan. Are you a modern meat eater? I would say this is a fair comparison, then? You live in an age when it’s possible to get huge and be whatever you are. How many calories do you eat per day? Feel free to check this out, I don’t have a ton of time but skimmed the first paragraph: http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/25268/0000711.pdf;jsessionid=C69353AADC17A008162A4C86199F7C87?sequence=1 . It is very hard to find 3rd or 4th generation vegans because people who have been doing this for that long consider it the norm and do not go around parading it. Having said that, I don’t even know if one exists. It is only recently that science has revealed the benefits of vegan diets. Before that, it has been logic or spirituality that brought one to a vegan diet. If I recall correctly, the Bible promotes a vegan diet? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
“What does that even mean? I don’t know what you’re trying to say.”
I was merely trying to say that several months is not very long for a diet experiment. Personally, I was a typical SAD-eater for the first 18 years of my life and now have been vegan for just over 1 year. I still consider this an experiment. I have not committed to it as a way of life because I do not have enough personal experience to know if it is best for me, it has only been 1 year. Having said that, everything I’ve read points me in this direction, so I keep moving forward. Along with that, I have felt better than ever, but, like I said, that is compared to SAD, so, not much of a comparison there. All I’m saying is that if you are going to experiment, experiment. Don’t go about it all willy nilly. If you decide to quit an experiment, know why you are quitting an experiment. Personally, I don’t consider “It sucked” to be a good reason to quit something. Why does it suck? That just seems a bit shallow, not trying to put you down or anything. Trying it at all is better than most!
I apologize if I am coming across as snide, I really don’t mean it that way. I honestly mean it when I say I appreciate people saying things that contradict what I say because it pushes me to read more on the subject and look deeper into my beliefs. I would love to continue this discussion but if anyone feels this is not the place for it I will stop! Thanks :)
Have y’all heard of The 30-Day Vegan Challenge? It’s from vegan author Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, who I work with, and it guides people in making the vegan transition. My mother-in-law even did it — pretty amazing! :)
Here’s some great websites for the vegetarian and Vegan recipes
I’ve been thinking about doing something like this going vegan or at least cuting out sources of beef pork and poultry. I know many vegans and its true, mentally and physically well being is much higher! (As long as all soureces of proteins and fats are met). Ill keep you posted I may have to do this come the first of the month or this coming spring. Another major reason for doing this is because like you said, the positive environmental impact, ethically it’s just the right thing to do. If you happen to have a veggie garden or are interested in gardening check out “Biodynamic agriculture” founded by Rudolf Steiner. Super organic “spiritually enhanced” foods!
@razique, oh that’s a really good site! Thanks for posting it…in favourites now =oD
I agree, it does really make you think about your diet! When I originally went vegan I was so unhealthy in some ways. It is only now that I am getting a bit older that I am really conscious about nutrients, and when I have experimented with being Vegan again, and raw, I have really put effort into thinking about what I am eating. Lack of prep can set you up for failure I think (which what happened with me).
@kipgoening, I totally understand you have had your experience with veganism and it just wasn’t for you. But don’t you think everyone has there own truth? By making statements like “Veganism is stupid” and “people need meat to be healthy” (which is totally not true but that’s a whole different topic) you are discounting other’s beliefs and lifestyles just because it isn’t not the one you have chosen for yourself. Honestly, I am not entirely sure if you realize how negative, impolite and impulsive your previous comments have sounded but they aren’t adding anything positive to this discussion whatsoever… and that is why I asked about your intentions. But I would love to hear about why veganism didn’t work for you and your actual experience if you were willing to share that.
@trek79, haha “un-impact any of the meat from my colon”! Lovely ( : And yeah, I absolutely agree, one step at a time. My reasons for becoming a vegetarian were health related, vegan definitely environmental and ethical. Good luck with wherever your journey takes you!
@collinsj2009, I’m in. I have experimented with my diet all year and my ultimate goal is to be vegan, and gluten free. Having support and a place to vent and keep track of my diet is very helpful. What is your plan?
@lytning91, try it buddy. If you plan everything out you might end up spending less money of food than you do now. And you might eat less calories.
@theskafish, if there is a will there is a way.
Would any of you consider eating insects as a source of protein? jw