We do NOT need more gun control
…We just need to start creating a society which no longer supports the endless cycle of dysfunction we have. We are still living with outdated and flawed belief systems that we pass on to next generations, and it isn’t working anymore! We are a consumerism-driven culture which causes a complete shutoff of any curiosity and/or creativity you once had as a child.
DON’T BELIEVE Obama when he comes on TV and says the solution for how to prevent shootings like the one in Connecticut is to impose stricter gun laws and take away peoples’ rights to own them. That is NOT the problem!
Just the other day a man in China stabbed 22 children and an elderly woman outside of a primary school! But I bet you didn’t hear jack shit about that! That’s right! It happened! And here’s a link for you: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html
Now, as you can see, the problem is NOT with the weapons. The problem is with us! The world we’ve created! And we’ve got a government that is eager for more control and is more than happy to take advantage of heinous events like this shooting to further their agenda.
DON’T FUCKING FALL FOR IT!
The last thing you need is your government imposing more control over you. If you constantly rely on your government to solve issues, it can only end in less power for you and more control for them.
Instead we need to start bringing it to peoples’ attention that this is a culture disease! And at the same time, the very elite and the very powerful are taking advantage of it and benefiting greatly from it.
The fucked up shit in the world will continue to exist if we don’t change our belief systems.
You are a spiritual being having a human experience. You are NOT your job title, you are not your possessions, you are not your education, your social status, your race, or your religion.
We need to focus on building a society which understands and utilizes the truly important things in people, which is what you create, how much you create, and how much you share it! We have a society which wipes out the wonderful curiosity, creativity, and imagination which all children are born with.
“We think we understand the rules when we become adults, but really we experience a narrowing of our imagination.”
We don’t need to eat at Burger King anymore, or McDonalds. We don’t need to sit on our fat asses and order Dominos Pizza for dinner. We need to put down our high tech phones and go outside for a fucking walk! YOUR HUMAN BODY IS MEANT TO BE EXCERCISED! It is meant to be provided with nutritional, whole foods! We need to stop breeding a society which constantly puts images in our face of candy bars and processed foods. By allowing this, we’re teaching ourselves to eat for pleasure. Eating is not about pleasure, it’s about fueling your body.
Money – it is the root of all evil. It is because of money why we have violence, why we see nonstop wars, and why the few control the many. It is responsible for disease and sickness, obesity, starvation, depression, suicide, I could go on and on.
It is time to seriously rethink the way we’re living. It starts with you. It starts with a new understanding of who you really are at your deepest level. You are one with everything. You ARE everything. Your brain and your body are the means through which consciousness experiences itself. You are not your ego.
It is time for us to change.
Evolve or die.
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@tigerlily, Just do whatever part you can. A mere spreading of the word is all it takes. Just get the ball rolling! Spread the awareness. It starts with you. It starts with all of us. Everyone seems to want to wait around until something just magically changes. Our complacency is how we got to this point in the first place. This is just in the initial stages. It will take time. But it is our obligation to get things started. This isn’t something that’s gonna get fixed quickly. We just happen to live during a time when all of this is still only an ideology, so we need to spread that ideology for it to come to fruition.
This is so damn spot on I don’t even know what to say.
Anyone who doubts what @chodebalm is saying is only lying to themselves.
If we continue down this path it’s inevitably going to lead to our own self destruction—no way around it. And the universe doesn’t care. It can start again, the earth will always be here and do just fine (actually a lot better) with out us. I’m seriously hoping Dec. 21st begins SOME kind of change, ANY kind of change from the way we look at the world and especially ourselves as human beings. You are NOT your ego, you are NOT a skin-capsulated individual who doesn’t matter. YOU have the power to produce real change in the world, you ARE the fucking world! We ALL are!
That is all.
@chodebalm, Well said.
Morgan Freeman’s brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
“You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why.
It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news.”
I don’t think it is realistic to expect people to change, there is not just one culture out there, there are hundreds, each with varying degrees of commitment by their following. Culture is a choice, a freedom you emphasise, so restricting culture and uniforming it is simply just another measure of control.
I don’t think it is people with culture who are a problem anyway, I think it is a culture of apathy, an anti-culture that has no values.
You cannot blame inanimate objects for humanities failings, this is classic deflection of liability that weak people prey on. If you enforce the idea that people can blame things for their own choices, other than themselves, then no dishonest person can be held responsible for anything. Money is a tool that is misused and it is a motivator of greedy and destructive behaviour, by without humans to abuse it it is nothing at all.
You are worried about the battle between freedom versus control, control is not a bad thing when applied appropriately, just as freedom can be a bad thing when misappropriated. Things are not black and white, otherwise we would have sorted our shit out long ago, it is the resistance we put up against appropriate measures of freedom and control that are holding us back, and people need to see where those lines should exist.@chodebalm,
Freedom and control are applied to general areas, not on specific individuals. An area may be better to liberate and then work on controlling more specific aspects, or the opposite of controlling the entire area then working on liberating specific areas. But even this system is seldom absolute, you may have a blend of each principle at work in an area.
I think that once you objectively weigh up the consequences of not controlling an area, all you can do is support measures that are appropriate and then go about liberating the aspects that you believe are worthy of freedom.
I am personally for guns, I think people should be allowed to carry their licensed handgun for protection, just as bolt action rifles have their place in rural areas, but as for assault rifles and smg’s, I don’t see how these should be floating around the public, these are things you check at the gun range.
The thing is, people find their way around gun laws anyway, I think people should be able to keep the big guns on their property, fully licensed with psych tests routinely provided, but access to it is what needs the most regulation, a person not authorized to access it should never get their hands on it and that would be a criminal offense on the part of the responsible owner.
But other than recreation, I don’t see why a person would need such weapons, unless the Commies invade, or a riot breaks out, or you cross the wrong gang or organized crime syndicate, or you want to stop S.W.A.T from arresting you on gun charges.
First of all, in this particular China stabbing incident involving 22 children, NO child had died… many were hospitalized, but there were no deaths… a clear contrast between the two school tragedies this weekend… one with high powered assault weapon, and one without… the aftermaths speak for itself.
a person can be stabbed ten times and still has a chance to live through the ordeal… the same can not be said of a person pierced by ten bullets…
a panicking crowd could disperse to a safer distance from the fiery of a knife-slashing psychopath, but not even Usain Bolt can outrun bullets fired semi-automatically.
as a Chinese living in China for many years, I can tell you that there are many violent incidences involving knives in underdeveloped, rural areas… mind you that 90% of 1.3 billion Chinese are rural villagers… a dismal handful of which are unhappy thugs who wouldn’t hesitate to gut you on the open streets at night if you make them lose face in front of their peers, more so when they’re intoxicated… this sort of violent brutality is commonplace in the Wild Wild West of the Mainland… like many others, I’ve seen first hand victims lying on a puddle of blood with multiple stab wounds with guts hanging while curious bystanders surround the gory scene waiting for an ambulance that never seem to come… in general, human life is just not as valued here compared to western civilization.
that said, if handguns were widely accessible to the general Chinese public, violent crime fatalities would surge at least 10-fold… incidences of massacres of high body counts would be unprecedented…
fortunately, guns are extremely rare and hard to come by… with some exception of bank robbers and drug/prostitution/extortion gangs that display them when battling rivals over territories… guns in the hands of the mentally ill as a percentage of population is extremely low.
it is no coincidence that knives are the weapon of choice here in China, and that’s a big relief.
i totally agree – i feel like its a give in that automatic weapons should be restricted – i believe in freedom of choice, but the downside just significantly outweighs the upside here, and just like we dont allow citizens to have atomnic weapons, we should consider the upside / downside of this ‘freedom’
on that note though, fixing this issue of gun control doesnt address the real problem – people are fcked up and people get a sick thrill out of this kind of occurrence – its clear bc of how the media covers it – people are fcked up and its really what is disturbing about this whole situation
@johnkorvac, Agreed. This is the United States of America that we are talking about here. This is the country with the most gun-related deaths in the whole world that doesn’t involve some kind of war. There is no war within the country. These are individual acts of violence, and gang related acts of violence. How about the inner cities, where there are gang related shootings and deaths almost every day. New York city has had one day this year in which no single person has died. Granted that the events that have taken place in China are terrible. There is no excuse for the media to deny any tragic evens that have taken place around the globe, but the contrast speaks for itself, as you have said. And, being from China, you have direct experience with your argument. This argument is yet another example of the divide the America between conservatives and liberals. There is either a lack of gun control or too much gun control. Can we not just accept that there needs to be a shift in leadership, and that more money should be invested into mental health research? The children would want us not to argue with one another, but come up with a way in which we don’t have to fear being alive.
It is true that in a perfect society it would not be a problem that people owned guns. But open your eyes! Nobody would WANT a gun in a perfect society. Guns are symbols of death and violence and they have no other use. The only reason that americans want guns is protection – but isn’t that just a signal to the state of the US? That one can’t feel safe without a weapon of death and destruction?!
You can ask any non-american person and they will tell you that gun restriction is the way to go. It is no wonder why schoolshootings mainly occurs is the US.
@chodebalm, I agree very much with @savmot. Although a lot of what you said makes perfect sense. People do need to change the way they think and view themselves and society, however this kind of change in ideology takes serious time. Let’s be fair, these ideas are not new, Karl Marx said a lot of the same things, as did Nietzsche, and more recently John Lennon, to name but a few . Things haven’t changed all that much since these people tried to change things, in fact have gotten worse in some cases.
Guns in America need to be legislated. It is just common sense. Don’t let a man buy an assault rifle and he isn’t going to shoot the fuck out of a school with an assault rifle. I don’t blame guns, I blame people and society, but that is exactly why guns need to be legislated. If assault rifle’s are okay why not a nuclear warhead or a Javelin missile. Where does it end?
Just look at other countries with strict gun laws, for instance, I live in Ireland, very few people have guns, and if they do they are heavily legislated. I’m not saying no one gets shot here, but it is only ever gangland shootings not public massacres. No one should have the right to bare arms, that is an out dated sentiment.
Why is there so much security in federal facilities, ie: metal detectors, trained armed security personnel, roof snipers, closed circuit video/audio surveillance etc.. ? Why don’t they just simply post a sign outside of these buildings saying terrorism is illegal?
I think guns should be banned they are nothing but trouble, i’m sorry I do not see a good reason to own a gun, I do not kill animals and I’m not scared of intruders, it’s all about the ego from my viewpoint, I agree with @savmot, and in place of those killing machines we can have pellet guns. Simple fix no one dies.
Violence is not an innate human trait. It is learned through observation as a child. And its not just violence. Some aggression is helpful. Anger is the tool which allows us to say NO thank you very much. It is when our natural anger is twisted into rage that violent acts become more harmful and costly.
This is where we should start; by teaching our children about emotion. Not gun control.
@chodebalm, I see your point of view, and I do agree at some points. We do need to change the people. I do believe though, that guns should be illegal. The main purpose with a gun is not to “protect yourself from thieves and murders”. Fuck all that “guns don’t kill people”-bullshit. A gun has one purpose, and one purpose only, to kill.
I don’t care if you wan’t to hunt and shoot birds or whatever, you should be able to with a certificate or something like that. But to buy a gun for protecting yourself from strangers is like signing a document saying “I am willing to kill someone”, and that is, in my opinion, not the right message to spread. There is no reason to live your life in fear. I think it’s silly to be honest.
We need to illuminate each other for a better world! But your are certainly right in your opinions on building a new society with space for a creative soul! That’s my opinion on this subject…
@savmot, On the contrary….please tell me what good would come out of the government taking more rights from you and imposing more control.
I own a gun. It’s a .22 caliber rifle – a gun usually used for small game. I don’t hunt, but I own it because it was given to me by my dad, which was given to him by his dad. I have it just for protection. I know that sounds cliché, but really it’s the only reason I own it. Should the need ever arise to defend myself from someone or something, or protect myself and/or others, I’ve got a gun. So maybe now you have a better understanding on why some people own them.
But just because some psychotic fucking asshole goes off on a shooting rampage with his, does not mean the government has the right to take mine from me. Agree or not, the majority of Americans who own guns have never misused them. We DON’T need to change gun laws, we just need to change our understanding of things.