We do NOT need more gun control

1 year, 11 months ago

…We just need to start creating a society which no longer supports the endless cycle of dysfunction we have. We are still living with outdated and flawed belief systems that we pass on to next generations, and it isn’t working anymore! We are a consumerism-driven culture which causes a complete shutoff of any curiosity and/or creativity you once had as a child.

DON’T BELIEVE Obama when he comes on TV and says the solution for how to prevent shootings like the one in Connecticut is to impose stricter gun laws and take away peoples’ rights to own them. That is NOT the problem!

Just the other day a man in China stabbed 22 children and an elderly woman outside of a primary school! But I bet you didn’t hear jack shit about that! That’s right! It happened! And here’s a link for you: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html

Now, as you can see, the problem is NOT with the weapons. The problem is with us! The world we’ve created! And we’ve got a government that is eager for more control and is more than happy to take advantage of heinous events like this shooting to further their agenda.

DON’T FUCKING FALL FOR IT!

The last thing you need is your government imposing more control over you. If you constantly rely on your government to solve issues, it can only end in less power for you and more control for them.

Instead we need to start bringing it to peoples’ attention that this is a culture disease! And at the same time, the very elite and the very powerful are taking advantage of it and benefiting greatly from it.

The fucked up shit in the world will continue to exist if we don’t change our belief systems.

You are a spiritual being having a human experience. You are NOT your job title, you are not your possessions, you are not your education, your social status, your race, or your religion.

We need to focus on building a society which understands and utilizes the truly important things in people, which is what you create, how much you create, and how much you share it! We have a society which wipes out the wonderful curiosity, creativity, and imagination which all children are born with.

“We think we understand the rules when we become adults, but really we experience a narrowing of our imagination.”

We don’t need to eat at Burger King anymore, or McDonalds. We don’t need to sit on our fat asses and order Dominos Pizza for dinner. We need to put down our high tech phones and go outside for a fucking walk! YOUR HUMAN BODY IS MEANT TO BE EXCERCISED! It is meant to be provided with nutritional, whole foods! We need to stop breeding a society which constantly puts images in our face of candy bars and processed foods. By allowing this, we’re teaching ourselves to eat for pleasure. Eating is not about pleasure, it’s about fueling your body.

Money – it is the root of all evil. It is because of money why we have violence, why we see nonstop wars, and why the few control the many. It is responsible for disease and sickness, obesity, starvation, depression, suicide, I could go on and on.

It is time to seriously rethink the way we’re living. It starts with you. It starts with a new understanding of who you really are at your deepest level. You are one with everything. You ARE everything. Your brain and your body are the means through which consciousness experiences itself. You are not your ego.

It is time for us to change.

Evolve or die.

12.15.2012 at 11:13 pm

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, I seriously think American gun laws need to change. You have a .22, which is pretty much a target rifle, My dad used to have a .22, and very few people here have guns. But lets face it your .22 is not the most destructive gun, but an assault rifle is. This is not a weapon for personal defence, they were created to kill many and kill them quickly.

Guns are not illegal in most countries, you just can’t get your hands on them as easy as candy bars. Like I said my dad used to own a .22 but he still needed to prove regularly that he was a responsible gun owner. Other countries don’t have strict gun laws because their people are lying down and allowing their governments to take their rights away. It is because they realise that allowing guns to be a common part of society is promoting violence.

They are not taking away your rights they are making your country safer for its inhabitants. If your gun holds sentimental value get it decommissioned and the government can’t take it off you. Like I said earlier “the right to bare arms” is and outdated sentiment. Just because there are a lot of responsible gun owners who like their guns doesn’t mean your gun laws shouldn’t be change. Your government aren’t trying to ban guns, just making it harder for dangerous people to get them and hopefully changing the types of guns available.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@brebro, Oh ok. So since none of those children died….I guess it’s not a big deal then.

That wasn’t the point. The point is to illustrate how taking away guns won’t solve jack shit. If someone wants to use a weapon, they’re going to! If someone wants to get their hands on a gun, they’re gonna get one, regardless of whether it’s illegal or not.

And no, you’re right, Obama did not directly mention taking away guns. But he didn’t have to. It’s fucking clear as day that there’s an agenda here to eviscerate gun rights slowly over the course of time until eventually no one is allowed to have them anymore. A slow chipping-away of your rights is how you eventually end up with none at all.

What do you expect Obama to do? You think he’s just gonna come out and say we’re gonna ban guns? Of course not. That’ll start a civil war. The way you do it is to impose laws over the course of time until you’ve achieved what you ultimately wanted.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, That’s incorrect. That’s the story they’d like you to believe. I strongly, strongly encourage you to look into this more. Dig deeper. The nice, convenient story is that they want to make the country safer. Bullshit. You don’t do that by taking away people’s shit. As someone mentioned earlier, banning guns will do for gun control what prohibition did for alcohol. Anyway….again, please look past the bullshit and the nice dressed up lies they try to serve us. You’re smarter than that.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler (@trek79) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, The gun you have, if I am not mistaken, has a delayed rate of fire, infact the rifles that should not need more gun control are single fire and need reloading after every shot. Handguns, although certainly can kill, usually do not cause the kind of damage to be a big threat, if you empty a handgun wildly into a crowd, the chances of people dying are significantly low. Shotguns are short range weapons that also have low fatality.
The guns that need restriction are the high powered assault rifles and the various types of machine guns and SMG’s. These have a high rate of fire and are powerful enough to cause a significant death toll when fired into a crowd. Guns, like your .22 calibre rifle, can only fire a very limited ammount of shots before an armed response by law enforcement can neutralize the offender.
You cannot look at this as black and white, all or nothing, there are grades of firearms that are simply not acceptable to be floating around society, and there are the ones that are reasonable constitutionally. The penalties for dealing these weapons of massacre should be so high as to deter or at least significantly raise the black market price.
People who are negligent in appropriately securing such weapons should be much more liable, especially in the case of an event. But there is no real place for such weapons outside of a firing range. I totally agree with handguns for protection, rifles and shotguns for hunting and even keepsakes, but keeping these mega guns is one thing but keeping them and having the ammunition easily accessible also is irresponsible.
A lot of collectors have firing pins removed, others don’t keep the gun and the ammunition anywhere near each other or at least have sufficient security measures for access. The thing is that a high powered assault rifle or a machine gun has no place off the range, unless you are in a war, and anyone who claims them for hunting is a really shitty hunter.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@trek79, You’re right about the certain guns which are more powerful than others. I can definitely agree that no one needs fully automatic weapons and assault rifles. Conceal to carry is a touchy subject. I personally don’t see the need to ever bring your gun out of your house. You should never have to carry a gun around with you. I can see the need for certain gun restrictions, but I believe the ultimate goal is to ban them completely.

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Profile photo of brebro brebro (@brebro) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, It’s a matter of Life or Death.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, You are right I am smarter than that, and so are you. I couldn’t give a shit about the agenda of the American government unless they are starting another war. And I am probably as sceptical of governments as you are.

Take it from somebody who lives in a country with gun control, it’s better. You’re right that psychos are going to be psychos and maybe snap one day and try to hurt someone, but reducing the chances of said psycho having an AK-47 on hand is a good thing.

The prohibition of alcohol is not a relevant situation, because it was just that, prohibition. Gun control just means that any old dickhead can’t go into a local shop and buy a gun, which can kill people. I ask you to please look beyond your opinion that you have a right to own a gun, and look into other countries that have stricter gun laws.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, I just want to add that you can own a gun here but it is a right you have to earn. You have to prove you are responsible enough, same as a car, because it can kill people.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, Well, I live in a state which requires you to apply for a permit to buy a hand gun. So I can relate to laws like that, and I think they are there for the right reasons and it is good they are there. But what I don’t want to see is laws being introduced down the road which outlaw ownership of common guns like hunting rifles, shotguns, certain pistols (many people own them for sentimental value as well as collectible items), etc. That’s ultimately where this path will lead to if we allow it. And a completely unarmed public has no way to defend itself against an evil corrupt government.

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Profile photo of mjade mjade (@michellejade) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, finally someone who makes sense about all of what’s going on lately.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

It is not a conspiracy man. Hunting rifles, shotguns and certain pistols are okay here. Just not automatics or a semi auto handgun. If your government wants to outlaw guns completely they will have to change your constitution. Which is a big step. I’m not sure about America but we need to have a referendum before any constitutional change is made.

If you ask the majority of Europeans they will not understand why America has such liberal gun laws. Take a page out of the book of your contemporaries.

This is High Existence. It promotes the existence of people, guns do the exact opposite of that.@chodebalm,

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler (@trek79) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, With concealed guns in public, yes this is a tricky area. I think lower calibre peashooters are okay in general but a lot of consideration has to be taken before you just go out with it. It depends greatly on your situation, if you are going to be in a relatively secure environment and especially if there are kids around, you have to weigh up the pros and cons.
However if you are going to be walking home in a dark seedy neighbourhood, through alleyways and such, you know what I mean? Another thing is, if you plan on getting drunk it would be a bad idea to take your gun.
One thing is; if someone holds a gun on you to rob you then even if you have a gun, you should just give them what they want, your wallet/purse, phone, jewelry, watch, everything but your gun, because if they really mean business then as soon as they see it they will shoot, before you even get a look in. I think a great lot of gun robberies are all piss and wind, but you don’t want to risk that.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, “If you ask the majority of Europeans they will not understand why America has such liberal gun laws. “

So what you’re saying is….you live in one culture, we live in another. Obviously it’s a cultural thing, so of course they’re not going to understand it. Just like many Americans are not going to understand certain European cultural characteristics. You see it one way, I see it another.

But a common understanding is what we need to adopt, regardless of country or cultural differences. That understanding happens to be what I mentioned in the original post of this thread. Here it is again, as a reminder:

It is time to seriously rethink the way we’re living. It starts with you. It starts with a new understanding of who you really are at your deepest level. You are one with everything. You ARE everything. Your brain and your body are the means through which consciousness experiences itself. You are not your ego.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, Of course there are cultural difference, but the differences over here are not detrimental to lives of our people. Guns are not culture. I’m saying we are similar societies, and that you maybe have something to learn from us, as we have from you. Like when someone offers you advice that is possibly good, you don’t say, well you are an individual and I am an individual therefore your opinion does not apply so I will continue on my self destructive path.

What you are asking for there is a utopia. Of course everybody needs better understanding of the self and their effects on others. But let’s face it, that isn’t going to happen tomorrow and start saving lives, however gun reform will and then maybe people will have a better understanding that shooting people doesn’t solve problems. In the world you are talking of there would be no needs for laws at all. Do you think we should repeal murder and theft laws because people should have the good sense not to murder or steal?

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, You’re right. My “utopian” ideology isn’t gonna happen quickly. It is still in the early stages, but people are waking up. I don’t expect this to happen in a short amount of time. I understand that I live during a time in which we are just spreading the awareness about this, so that someday it is a reality, rather than a “utopia”. It’s only a utopia if you believe it is. I’m just doing my part to spread the awareness.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, Let’s be fair, these ideas are not new, Karl Marx said a lot of the same things, as did Nietzsche, and more recently John Lennon, to name but a few . Things haven’t changed all that much since these people tried to change things, in fact have gotten worse in some cases. Sure these Ideas should be spread, to make a better world for people. But people are dying now, so I don’t see what it has to do with gun reform.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, Great points about the other idealists. You’re absolutely right. As far as the correlation with gun reform – I only mention it because of the continual removal of one right after another by the government.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, Okay we are at a stalemate here, so I’m going to end my input because I don’t think I have anything more to add, except that, It is not a right to own a gun, It is a privilege, like a car.

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Profile photo of Zykanthos Zykanthos (@chodebalm) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, Much respect bro.

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Profile photo of E.C.F. Doyle E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, Agus tusa freisin.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, “Money – it is the root of all evil. It is because of money why we have violence, why we see nonstop wars, and why the few control the many. It is responsible for disease and sickness, obesity, starvation, depression, suicide, I could go on and on. ”

Hahahahahaha.

NOPE!

Money is just a made up concept. Humans created it. Money isn’t responsible for fucking anything.

The few control the many because the many are idiots who want to be controlled.
Disease and sickness are common only due to people abusing their own bodies.
People are obese because they eat too fucking much and sit on their asses all day, starvation happens because people don’t eat.
People get depressed because they think shitty thoughts.
People commit suicide because they fuck their minds up too badly.

Stop blaming shit, stop making excuses. THAT is the root cause of all the errors of society.

People need to wake the fuck up and TAKE SOME FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY for their own damn lives.

No, we are not everything. We are our egos, deal with it. The belief that we’re more than ego is just the ego’s coping mechanism. Deal with it.
Take some fucking responsibility.

Weapons aren’t the problem, money isn’t the problem, shitty laws aren’t the problem.

The people themselves are the problem.
All the problems come from people’s moronic choices.

DEAL WITH IT.

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Profile photo of cadeus cadeus (@cadeus333) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

Gun control wouldn’t have stopped this at all, the weapons were STOLEN. Ask Chicago how their strict gun control laws are going for them, they have the highest amount of gun related crime in the nation. Arizona has the loosest gun laws and the least gun control, figure it out for yourselves. This is America, not China or anywhere else in the world, this country was founded on well armed citizens.

No crocodile tears from a child slaughtering despot is going to convince me to give up my rifles while violent criminals and government funded thugs keep theirs.

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Profile photo of Alan Sanford Alan Sanford (@chronomortae) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

Whenever I see shootings like this, this is what comes to my mind.
“I am screaming inside. Hear my screams.”
A talk could have stopped all of this. A simple, honest spilling of the heart. If only someone had stopped and taken time to hear the man’s inner screams, he wouldn’t have had to express himself in such a violent way. The shootings was his way of saying,
“I want to be heard. I want the world to hear me scream.”
That’s what saddens me the most about this world. People have grown so far apart.

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Profile photo of TheSkaFish TheSkaFish (@theskafish) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, so if for whatever reasons you don’t meet the requirements to own a gun, even if it’s simply that you can’t afford one – that means you deserve to be preyed upon by those who have guns?

And cars aren’t a privilege either, not anymore. At least here in the US, things are spaced out so much that sometimes a car is the only way to get from point A to B, sometimes you can’t move closer to work, or closer to the store, or that a bus or train won’t get you where you need to go and the locations are too far away to walk or bike and get there in a timely fashion. The distances between things have increased because having a car has gone from privilege to expectation, much like owning a computer with an internet connection. It’s all but required to function at the most basic level.

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Profile photo of savmot savmot (@savmot) 1 year, 11 months ago ago

@chodebalm, The good that would come out of tighter gun laws is that psychotic assholes would be less able to get hold of guns to go shoot six year olds in the face.

So you like to hunt, and shoot? Well in England, people hunt and shoot (though I don’t consider that a good reason to own a gun) and even though people hunt and shoot here, if I decided I wanted to shoot someone tomorrow, I wouldn’t be able to get my hands on a gun.

You haven’t actually given any good reason for owning a gun in your post, just basically said that you want the right to own a gun so you can kill stuff.

How come every American needs a gun for protection? Maybe if all our drug addicts and criminals could by themselves a gun in Asda, then I would feel the need to own a gun for protection too. You only NEED a gun for protection, because of your stupid gun laws…

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