We do NOT need more gun control
Not one of those children in the China stabbing died. If Lanza only brought a knife then there would be 20 children in CT “Wounded” not “Dead”. A gun does a whole lot more damage.
@chodebalm, I seriously think American gun laws need to change. You have a .22, which is pretty much a target rifle, My dad used to have a .22, and very few people here have guns. But lets face it your .22 is not the most destructive gun, but an assault rifle is. This is not a weapon for personal defence, they were created to kill many and kill them quickly.
Guns are not illegal in most countries, you just can’t get your hands on them as easy as candy bars. Like I said my dad used to own a .22 but he still needed to prove regularly that he was a responsible gun owner. Other countries don’t have strict gun laws because their people are lying down and allowing their governments to take their rights away. It is because they realise that allowing guns to be a common part of society is promoting violence.
They are not taking away your rights they are making your country safer for its inhabitants. If your gun holds sentimental value get it decommissioned and the government can’t take it off you. Like I said earlier “the right to bare arms” is and outdated sentiment. Just because there are a lot of responsible gun owners who like their guns doesn’t mean your gun laws shouldn’t be change. Your government aren’t trying to ban guns, just making it harder for dangerous people to get them and hopefully changing the types of guns available.
@brebro, Oh ok. So since none of those children died….I guess it’s not a big deal then.
That wasn’t the point. The point is to illustrate how taking away guns won’t solve jack shit. If someone wants to use a weapon, they’re going to! If someone wants to get their hands on a gun, they’re gonna get one, regardless of whether it’s illegal or not.
And no, you’re right, Obama did not directly mention taking away guns. But he didn’t have to. It’s fucking clear as day that there’s an agenda here to eviscerate gun rights slowly over the course of time until eventually no one is allowed to have them anymore. A slow chipping-away of your rights is how you eventually end up with none at all.
What do you expect Obama to do? You think he’s just gonna come out and say we’re gonna ban guns? Of course not. That’ll start a civil war. The way you do it is to impose laws over the course of time until you’ve achieved what you ultimately wanted.
@chekovchameleon, That’s incorrect. That’s the story they’d like you to believe. I strongly, strongly encourage you to look into this more. Dig deeper. The nice, convenient story is that they want to make the country safer. Bullshit. You don’t do that by taking away people’s shit. As someone mentioned earlier, banning guns will do for gun control what prohibition did for alcohol. Anyway….again, please look past the bullshit and the nice dressed up lies they try to serve us. You’re smarter than that.
@chodebalm, The gun you have, if I am not mistaken, has a delayed rate of fire, infact the rifles that should not need more gun control are single fire and need reloading after every shot. Handguns, although certainly can kill, usually do not cause the kind of damage to be a big threat, if you empty a handgun wildly into a crowd, the chances of people dying are significantly low. Shotguns are short range weapons that also have low fatality.
@trek79, You’re right about the certain guns which are more powerful than others. I can definitely agree that no one needs fully automatic weapons and assault rifles. Conceal to carry is a touchy subject. I personally don’t see the need to ever bring your gun out of your house. You should never have to carry a gun around with you. I can see the need for certain gun restrictions, but I believe the ultimate goal is to ban them completely.
@chodebalm, It’s a matter of Life or Death.
@chodebalm, You are right I am smarter than that, and so are you. I couldn’t give a shit about the agenda of the American government unless they are starting another war. And I am probably as sceptical of governments as you are.
Take it from somebody who lives in a country with gun control, it’s better. You’re right that psychos are going to be psychos and maybe snap one day and try to hurt someone, but reducing the chances of said psycho having an AK-47 on hand is a good thing.
The prohibition of alcohol is not a relevant situation, because it was just that, prohibition. Gun control just means that any old dickhead can’t go into a local shop and buy a gun, which can kill people. I ask you to please look beyond your opinion that you have a right to own a gun, and look into other countries that have stricter gun laws.
@chodebalm, I just want to add that you can own a gun here but it is a right you have to earn. You have to prove you are responsible enough, same as a car, because it can kill people.
@chekovchameleon, Well, I live in a state which requires you to apply for a permit to buy a hand gun. So I can relate to laws like that, and I think they are there for the right reasons and it is good they are there. But what I don’t want to see is laws being introduced down the road which outlaw ownership of common guns like hunting rifles, shotguns, certain pistols (many people own them for sentimental value as well as collectible items), etc. That’s ultimately where this path will lead to if we allow it. And a completely unarmed public has no way to defend itself against an evil corrupt government.
@chodebalm, finally someone who makes sense about all of what’s going on lately.
It is not a conspiracy man. Hunting rifles, shotguns and certain pistols are okay here. Just not automatics or a semi auto handgun. If your government wants to outlaw guns completely they will have to change your constitution. Which is a big step. I’m not sure about America but we need to have a referendum before any constitutional change is made.
If you ask the majority of Europeans they will not understand why America has such liberal gun laws. Take a page out of the book of your contemporaries.
This is High Existence. It promotes the existence of people, guns do the exact opposite of that.@chodebalm,
@chodebalm, With concealed guns in public, yes this is a tricky area. I think lower calibre peashooters are okay in general but a lot of consideration has to be taken before you just go out with it. It depends greatly on your situation, if you are going to be in a relatively secure environment and especially if there are kids around, you have to weigh up the pros and cons.
@chekovchameleon, “If you ask the majority of Europeans they will not understand why America has such liberal gun laws. “
So what you’re saying is….you live in one culture, we live in another. Obviously it’s a cultural thing, so of course they’re not going to understand it. Just like many Americans are not going to understand certain European cultural characteristics. You see it one way, I see it another.
But a common understanding is what we need to adopt, regardless of country or cultural differences. That understanding happens to be what I mentioned in the original post of this thread. Here it is again, as a reminder:
It is time to seriously rethink the way we’re living. It starts with you. It starts with a new understanding of who you really are at your deepest level. You are one with everything. You ARE everything. Your brain and your body are the means through which consciousness experiences itself. You are not your ego.
@chodebalm, Of course there are cultural difference, but the differences over here are not detrimental to lives of our people. Guns are not culture. I’m saying we are similar societies, and that you maybe have something to learn from us, as we have from you. Like when someone offers you advice that is possibly good, you don’t say, well you are an individual and I am an individual therefore your opinion does not apply so I will continue on my self destructive path.
What you are asking for there is a utopia. Of course everybody needs better understanding of the self and their effects on others. But let’s face it, that isn’t going to happen tomorrow and start saving lives, however gun reform will and then maybe people will have a better understanding that shooting people doesn’t solve problems. In the world you are talking of there would be no needs for laws at all. Do you think we should repeal murder and theft laws because people should have the good sense not to murder or steal?
@chekovchameleon, You’re right. My “utopian” ideology isn’t gonna happen quickly. It is still in the early stages, but people are waking up. I don’t expect this to happen in a short amount of time. I understand that I live during a time in which we are just spreading the awareness about this, so that someday it is a reality, rather than a “utopia”. It’s only a utopia if you believe it is. I’m just doing my part to spread the awareness.
@chodebalm, Let’s be fair, these ideas are not new, Karl Marx said a lot of the same things, as did Nietzsche, and more recently John Lennon, to name but a few . Things haven’t changed all that much since these people tried to change things, in fact have gotten worse in some cases. Sure these Ideas should be spread, to make a better world for people. But people are dying now, so I don’t see what it has to do with gun reform.
@chekovchameleon, Great points about the other idealists. You’re absolutely right. As far as the correlation with gun reform – I only mention it because of the continual removal of one right after another by the government.
@chodebalm, Okay we are at a stalemate here, so I’m going to end my input because I don’t think I have anything more to add, except that, It is not a right to own a gun, It is a privilege, like a car.
@chekovchameleon, Much respect bro.
@chodebalm, Agus tusa freisin.
@chodebalm, “Money – it is the root of all evil. It is because of money why we have violence, why we see nonstop wars, and why the few control the many. It is responsible for disease and sickness, obesity, starvation, depression, suicide, I could go on and on. ”
Money is just a made up concept. Humans created it. Money isn’t responsible for fucking anything.
The few control the many because the many are idiots who want to be controlled.
Stop blaming shit, stop making excuses. THAT is the root cause of all the errors of society.
People need to wake the fuck up and TAKE SOME FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY for their own damn lives.
No, we are not everything. We are our egos, deal with it. The belief that we’re more than ego is just the ego’s coping mechanism. Deal with it.
Weapons aren’t the problem, money isn’t the problem, shitty laws aren’t the problem.
The people themselves are the problem.
DEAL WITH IT.
Gun control wouldn’t have stopped this at all, the weapons were STOLEN. Ask Chicago how their strict gun control laws are going for them, they have the highest amount of gun related crime in the nation. Arizona has the loosest gun laws and the least gun control, figure it out for yourselves. This is America, not China or anywhere else in the world, this country was founded on well armed citizens.
No crocodile tears from a child slaughtering despot is going to convince me to give up my rifles while violent criminals and government funded thugs keep theirs.
Whenever I see shootings like this, this is what comes to my mind.
@chekovchameleon, so if for whatever reasons you don’t meet the requirements to own a gun, even if it’s simply that you can’t afford one – that means you deserve to be preyed upon by those who have guns?
And cars aren’t a privilege either, not anymore. At least here in the US, things are spaced out so much that sometimes a car is the only way to get from point A to B, sometimes you can’t move closer to work, or closer to the store, or that a bus or train won’t get you where you need to go and the locations are too far away to walk or bike and get there in a timely fashion. The distances between things have increased because having a car has gone from privilege to expectation, much like owning a computer with an internet connection. It’s all but required to function at the most basic level.
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