We do NOT need more gun control
…We just need to start creating a society which no longer supports the endless cycle of dysfunction we have. We are still living with outdated and flawed belief systems that we pass on to next generations, and it isn’t working anymore! We are a consumerism-driven culture which causes a complete shutoff of any curiosity and/or creativity you once had as a child.
DON’T BELIEVE Obama when he comes on TV and says the solution for how to prevent shootings like the one in Connecticut is to impose stricter gun laws and take away peoples’ rights to own them. That is NOT the problem!
Just the other day a man in China stabbed 22 children and an elderly woman outside of a primary school! But I bet you didn’t hear jack shit about that! That’s right! It happened! And here’s a link for you: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html
Now, as you can see, the problem is NOT with the weapons. The problem is with us! The world we’ve created! And we’ve got a government that is eager for more control and is more than happy to take advantage of heinous events like this shooting to further their agenda.
DON’T FUCKING FALL FOR IT!
The last thing you need is your government imposing more control over you. If you constantly rely on your government to solve issues, it can only end in less power for you and more control for them.
Instead we need to start bringing it to peoples’ attention that this is a culture disease! And at the same time, the very elite and the very powerful are taking advantage of it and benefiting greatly from it.
The fucked up shit in the world will continue to exist if we don’t change our belief systems.
You are a spiritual being having a human experience. You are NOT your job title, you are not your possessions, you are not your education, your social status, your race, or your religion.
We need to focus on building a society which understands and utilizes the truly important things in people, which is what you create, how much you create, and how much you share it! We have a society which wipes out the wonderful curiosity, creativity, and imagination which all children are born with.
“We think we understand the rules when we become adults, but really we experience a narrowing of our imagination.”
We don’t need to eat at Burger King anymore, or McDonalds. We don’t need to sit on our fat asses and order Dominos Pizza for dinner. We need to put down our high tech phones and go outside for a fucking walk! YOUR HUMAN BODY IS MEANT TO BE EXCERCISED! It is meant to be provided with nutritional, whole foods! We need to stop breeding a society which constantly puts images in our face of candy bars and processed foods. By allowing this, we’re teaching ourselves to eat for pleasure. Eating is not about pleasure, it’s about fueling your body.
Money – it is the root of all evil. It is because of money why we have violence, why we see nonstop wars, and why the few control the many. It is responsible for disease and sickness, obesity, starvation, depression, suicide, I could go on and on.
It is time to seriously rethink the way we’re living. It starts with you. It starts with a new understanding of who you really are at your deepest level. You are one with everything. You ARE everything. Your brain and your body are the means through which consciousness experiences itself. You are not your ego.
It is time for us to change.
Evolve or die.
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@highideals Mental health issues don’t account for all mass shootings. For example, the August shooting of a Sikh temple was perpetrated by a white supremacist that was associated with a nationwide network of hate groups. The purpose of that shooting was entirely racist in motivation. Would you chalk his racism up to mental health? Or would have this situation been prevented by tighter restrictions on types of guns that really have no purpose other than to kill human beings?
America has mourned 61 mass murders since 1982. The great majority of these mass murders have been perpetrated by white men. The question then becomes, if these mass murders are purely the result of mental illness and our stigma of mental illness of society, then why is it that people of races that have even less access to mental healthcare yet suffer more institutionalized disadvantages are less likely to commit mass shootings. For example, blacks suffer discrimination and disadvantage at a rate that far exceeds whites; they are also shown to have less access to healthcare of any kind, including therapy–but there’s no conclusive evidence that shows they are less likely to suffer from mental disorders yet they are substantially less likely to kill small children in a school shooting. The question then becomes: how is it that a group of people that receives less care of mental illness but suffers from mental illness at the same rate in addition to suffering far greater social disadvantages come out as less likely to commit mass shootings if the controlling variable in mass shootings is untreated mental illness?
The bottom line: blaming mental illness as a major cause of mass shootings is an overly simplistic argument that does not explain the history of mass shootings. It does not explain why white men from well-to-do neighborhoods are more likely to succumb to the impulse to shoot small children when other racial and socioeconomic groups that are less likely to receive psychiatric help are able to contain their desires to kill with far greater success. It does not explain why limiting the ability of these shooters to obtain weapons that can discharge 5 bullets a second is in any way an inadequate step to minimize the body count of future possible shootings. It does not explain why American people need to be able to own types of guns that have no other use than to kill people (not all types of guns are suitable for hunting, after all–many guns are specifically designed to kill people).
First of all, in this particular China stabbing incident involving 22 children, NO child had died… many were hospitalized, but there were no deaths… a clear contrast between the two school tragedies this weekend… one with high powered assault weapon, and one without… the aftermaths speak for itself.
a person can be stabbed ten times and still has a chance to live through the ordeal… the same can not be said of a person pierced by ten bullets…
a panicking crowd could disperse to a safer distance from the fiery of a knife-slashing psychopath, but not even Usain Bolt can outrun bullets fired semi-automatically.
as a Chinese living in China for many years, I can tell you that there are many violent incidences involving knives in underdeveloped, rural areas… mind you that 90% of 1.3 billion Chinese are rural villagers… a dismal handful of which are unhappy thugs who wouldn’t hesitate to gut you on the open streets at night if you make them lose face in front of their peers, more so when they’re intoxicated… this sort of violent brutality is commonplace in the Wild Wild West of the Mainland… like many others, I’ve seen first hand victims lying on a puddle of blood with multiple stab wounds with guts hanging while curious bystanders surround the gory scene waiting for an ambulance that never seem to come… in general, human life is just not as valued here compared to western civilization.
that said, if handguns were widely accessible to the general Chinese public, violent crime fatalities would surge at least 10-fold… incidences of massacres of high body counts would be unprecedented…
fortunately, guns are extremely rare and hard to come by… with some exception of bank robbers and drug/prostitution/extortion gangs that display them when battling rivals over territories… guns in the hands of the mentally ill as a percentage of population is extremely low.
it is no coincidence that knives are the weapon of choice here in China, and that’s a big relief.
@chodebalm, Okay we are at a stalemate here, so I’m going to end my input because I don’t think I have anything more to add, except that, It is not a right to own a gun, It is a privilege, like a car.
You don’t have to worry about all guns, that will not happen. Australia was lucky that we could do the Buyback scheme, but America has too many guns and not enough money to do that. But all guns are not the issue, you have to only clamp down on the military style weapons. Guns with high rates of fire, high calibre and easily reloadable.
Guns I would not worry about are typical hunting rifles, shotguns and low calibre revolvers. Any semi or fully automatic capable weapons are a problem. Pistols are a bit of a worry only because they are magazine reloadable, this makes them more efficient, higher calibre revolvers and pistols are also a worry, but all those can just wait.
You need to focus on these assault rifles, machine guns and SMG’s.
Violence is not an innate human trait. It is learned through observation as a child. And its not just violence. Some aggression is helpful. Anger is the tool which allows us to say NO thank you very much. It is when our natural anger is twisted into rage that violent acts become more harmful and costly.
This is where we should start; by teaching our children about emotion. Not gun control.
How can anyone say guns are unnecessary? If they are available to 1, they should be available to all. If there is even less than 1% chance that someone could break in my house and shoot me, I want to be able to protect myself from that. Also as long as cops, military and government has access to guns so does the public need access to guns for nothing more than to “keep the government in check”.
@savmot, My links were to show you that decreasing the supply of guns leads to higher gun crime and higher crime in general. Read this one all the way through http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell?INTCMP=SRCH
@alexa But in your argument for ‘rights,’ you also forget the fact that guns are often used to perpetrate deadly domestic abuse of men against women. Almost all women that are killed by guns are killed by a current or former intimate partner. In addition, it’s notable that all studies regarding the efficiency of guns in self-defense come to similar conclusions: guns make all arguments deadlier instead of safer–that those that get shot are almost always victims and not criminals. This means that there a negligible number of women are able to protect themselves against their aggressors through the use of firearms. If there is a firearm involved in a domestic situation, then the chances are overwhelmingly likely that they will be used against the woman and not the man.
If this is the right we wish to perpetuate, then that’s a pretty awful right to want.
@savmot, I don’t know if you realize this, but criminals tend to not follow the law. They would get guns if you regulated them, and they would get guns if you completely outlawed them. Tighter gun laws will make almost absolutely no impact on the amount of criminals/mentally insane people getting guns.
@chodebalm, I see your point of view, and I do agree at some points. We do need to change the people. I do believe though, that guns should be illegal. The main purpose with a gun is not to “protect yourself from thieves and murders”. Fuck all that “guns don’t kill people”-bullshit. A gun has one purpose, and one purpose only, to kill.
I don’t care if you wan’t to hunt and shoot birds or whatever, you should be able to with a certificate or something like that. But to buy a gun for protecting yourself from strangers is like signing a document saying “I am willing to kill someone”, and that is, in my opinion, not the right message to spread. There is no reason to live your life in fear. I think it’s silly to be honest.
We need to illuminate each other for a better world! But your are certainly right in your opinions on building a new society with space for a creative soul! That’s my opinion on this subject…
Also taking guns from law abiding people only makes it possible for criminals to get guns but not someone that doesnt want to break the law. Normal people dont want to go out illegally and obtain guns, but someone crazy enough to kill someone else (not in self defense or defense of others) is resourceful or crazy enough to get them from gun traffickers, gangs etc.
@chekovchameleon, Well, I live in a state which requires you to apply for a permit to buy a hand gun. So I can relate to laws like that, and I think they are there for the right reasons and it is good they are there. But what I don’t want to see is laws being introduced down the road which outlaw ownership of common guns like hunting rifles, shotguns, certain pistols (many people own them for sentimental value as well as collectible items), etc. That’s ultimately where this path will lead to if we allow it. And a completely unarmed public has no way to defend itself against an evil corrupt government.
As someone who works hands on with women who have been involved with domestic abuse, I’m not even going to touch upon that. Not because I’m insensitive to the subject, but because I know women who had guns pulled on them, and that had to use them in self defense to ensure their children’s safety from their attacker.
How many of these women would have survived if they were in proximity of a weapon to defend themselves? What are we going to do, talk these violent beings down to sanity? That doesn’t happen, and in my line of work I know for a FACT it doesn’t happen.
Fact, people will find methods and means to cause harm to others.
Fact, people will go above and beyond any sort of “mental help” to cause harm to others.
It’s fact. We learn this in psychology, through medical documents, actual medical practices, then we lock them up and throw away the key because what do we do with them? Albert Fish floated throughout mental wards for years while causing heinous acts of crime unbeknownst to his practicing doctor because he KNEW how to play the cards right.
It’s good to mention that if we diverted our attention away from “petty crimes” and focused on the criminals we keep setting free, the ones who are likely to hurt again, we’d see a drastic drop in crime on the streets. But that’s another argument all in itself. How many people are willing to fix every broken home? None, again, I know this, my line of work involves this type of action. Explain to me how YOU would profile someone as sadistic as the above mentioned and below mentioned people. How would YOU defend yourself against someone as such?
When someone is psychotic enough to plot an act as such in such thorough detail (Ed Gein, Jeff Dahmer, Manson) they WILL strike. History shows this to us repeatedly, and again, what methods can we use?
My point is, no matter how much you think you can “baby proof” people from being violent, a humans psyche can be easily damaged, even if they are RAISED to be “good law abiding” citizens. And putting the entire notion that “guns” are involved in every act of crime, how many cases can we find (which there are PLENTY) in which a gun wasn’t a weapon of choice. How many people are hacked to pieces daily by machetes in Africa? How many people have died from chemical warfare? How many people have died by the hands of masochistic practitioners? Which is the Cartel’s favorite means of torture? I can promise you it isn’t a gun.
I am not defending any of these people. At all. I want everyone to think above and beyond the given situation and what was used in this act of violence. To take into context the amount of people who die at the hands of people who don’t just only use guns. To how MANY evil, twisted, demented people are walking among us, blending into what society accepts as normal behavior thinking beyond the use of guns.
You can’t frame a single object as the cause, if you’re going to do that, take every item that was ever used as a weapon to cause mass slaughter, and explain to me how to solve that.