We do NOT need more gun control
You don’t have to worry about all guns, that will not happen. Australia was lucky that we could do the Buyback scheme, but America has too many guns and not enough money to do that. But all guns are not the issue, you have to only clamp down on the military style weapons. Guns with high rates of fire, high calibre and easily reloadable.
@savmot, I don’t know if you realize this, but criminals tend to not follow the law. They would get guns if you regulated them, and they would get guns if you completely outlawed them. Tighter gun laws will make almost absolutely no impact on the amount of criminals/mentally insane people getting guns.
@alexishungry, If the penalties to an illegal gun dealer were much higher (atm they can get up to a $10,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison, but since when does anyone do full term?) if the penalties are much higher then gun dealers would either go out of business or significantly raise their black market prices to make the risk worthwhile. This all round makes illegal purchases difficult.
@trek79, Could criminals/insane people not just get a gun from someone else who could buy one legally?
@alexishungry, Absolutely, but then they are not licensed to deal guns either so they run the same risk as any blackmarket dealer.
@alexishungry, Unless you are talking about theft, that is why it all has to co-incide with initiatives on the appropriate storage and security measure that any well trained gun handler should already know. The professional licensed gun handlers in Australia have a theft rate of about 0.06% of all guns stolen in Australia each year. That shows how scary the ammount of unregistered guns are stolen from unlicensed handlers, and that is still a big battle here, as it will be something not solvable over night where you are.
@chodebalm, But wouldn’t you agree that, seeing as how you obviously have a very good understanding of the need for a change in understanding in our society, if all gun owners were willing to give up control it would benefit society as a whole. Gun owners giving up the “right to bare arms”, regardless of whether or not they misuse their weapons, could be the first step in creating real change. I understand completely that you want to stay protected, but think, if there were no need for guns in the first place then what would you really need to protect yourself from?
I agree with a lot of the things you said in your original posting, and I also agree that too much government control is a bad thing, but if guns were made illegal, I think the issue of reducing excessive violence would be taking a huge step in the right direction. With time and through proper teaching, maybe the attitudes we have in our society would begin to change as a result. Because when it comes down to it, I don’t think we would really be giving up freedom. I think all we would really be giving up is the right to live a life of paranoia. One that is centered around the possibility that one day we may need to defend ourselves against the guy down the street with a gun collection who is mentally unstable and feels the need to release his inner pain on others in the form of a gunshot.
@alexishungry, Alex, really, other countries in the world tell a different story. Come to England, see how much gun crime we have here in comparison to the US. Believe it or not, most criminals do not have guns. Very few, in fact, have guns. And I’m not scared of someone breaking into my property, and I am not obsessed with defending myself, because of this reason.
@savmot, Totally agree bro, the same here in Australia, I said before, I live in a rough part of Sydney but I can walk around the streets at any time, day or night and not fear anything. There is the chance some group of punks may want to rumble but generally they seek weak targets, so smaller set people than myself are better off with a few friends at night.
@punker96, And how exactly can we get everyone to willingly give up their guns? We can’t. The fact is, people break the law and harm others, and victims should have guns to defend themselves. Otherwise, only the criminals have the guns, and the law-abiding citizen is stuck with a knife, waiting for the cops to arrive. And let’s assume that all guns disappear. What’s that guy down the street who’s mentally unstable going to do? Release his inner pain on others in the form of a bombing, stabbing rampage, or some other mass murder, simply using a different weapon.
@alexishungry, Your link about higher crime rates has nothing to do with gun crime, and I don’t see how it’s relevant. I didn’t say that not having guns reduces crime, I said our criminals don’t have guns, and therefore I don’t need a gun for protection.
The second article you posted, well, I don’t get the point. Gun crime is increasing in the UK (in 2003) It’s still a rarity, and it would increase a hell of a lot more were guns as readily available to every one as they are in America.
We have 14 gun deaths to America’s 9369.
@savmot, My links were to show you that decreasing the supply of guns leads to higher gun crime and higher crime in general. Read this one all the way through http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell?INTCMP=SRCH
@alexishungry, I think that you’d be hard pushed to prove that lack of guns is responsible for increases crime rate. I will take a look at that link later :)
@savmot, Best believe it. I hope you have an umbrella…
Edit: …because it’s raining cold, hard facts up in here.
@alexishungry, The thing is that these incidents are over within a few minutes, it is not just about having a response team, but a well educated team that can work with the community at large in prevention and preparation.
@trek79, I don’t have time to write a big response at the moment, but I wholeheartedly agree. We need to emphasize good gun responsibility/ownership and work that into our culture.
@alexishungry, The cost of having a gun does not end at the purchase price. Added costs come in with lock-down safes, you can’t just slide your gun under your bed or put it in a shoebox in your closet. So many of these shootings are because some kid has easy access to their parents arsenal. A big thing is keeping the gun and ammo together, they have to be seperate and both difficult to get to.
I think problem is with our understanding of ourselves and purpose on this spaceship of ours.By not letting go of our biological predispositions and coming this far technologically the only state of mind we could occupy is that of fear,laziness and stupidity.The problem is truly with us no matter whom else becomes our scapegoat.Problem is that as earlier stated the jig is up but our stupidity has given us a false sense of immortality,thus we ignore it espousing this call for a good present for a better future to nay-sayers and anarchists.My take is to do it the best way you can,the change that is,and have fun while you are at it.If we happen to succeed then this shall just be seen as nothing more than a transitional period and we mere cavemen who sought out more out of their existence.If we fail then we weren’t ready for whatever is supposed to be birthed out of this period of our short existence.
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