We do NOT need more gun control

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Zykanthos (@chodebalm)    1 year, 9 months ago

…We just need to start creating a society which no longer supports the endless cycle of dysfunction we have. We are still living with outdated and flawed belief systems that we pass on to next generations, and it isn’t working anymore! We are a consumerism-driven culture which causes a complete shutoff of any curiosity and/or creativity you once had as a child.

DON’T BELIEVE Obama when he comes on TV and says the solution for how to prevent shootings like the one in Connecticut is to impose stricter gun laws and take away peoples’ rights to own them. That is NOT the problem!

Just the other day a man in China stabbed 22 children and an elderly woman outside of a primary school! But I bet you didn’t hear jack shit about that! That’s right! It happened! And here’s a link for you: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html

Now, as you can see, the problem is NOT with the weapons. The problem is with us! The world we’ve created! And we’ve got a government that is eager for more control and is more than happy to take advantage of heinous events like this shooting to further their agenda.

DON’T FUCKING FALL FOR IT!

The last thing you need is your government imposing more control over you. If you constantly rely on your government to solve issues, it can only end in less power for you and more control for them.

Instead we need to start bringing it to peoples’ attention that this is a culture disease! And at the same time, the very elite and the very powerful are taking advantage of it and benefiting greatly from it.

The fucked up shit in the world will continue to exist if we don’t change our belief systems.

You are a spiritual being having a human experience. You are NOT your job title, you are not your possessions, you are not your education, your social status, your race, or your religion.

We need to focus on building a society which understands and utilizes the truly important things in people, which is what you create, how much you create, and how much you share it! We have a society which wipes out the wonderful curiosity, creativity, and imagination which all children are born with.

“We think we understand the rules when we become adults, but really we experience a narrowing of our imagination.”

We don’t need to eat at Burger King anymore, or McDonalds. We don’t need to sit on our fat asses and order Dominos Pizza for dinner. We need to put down our high tech phones and go outside for a fucking walk! YOUR HUMAN BODY IS MEANT TO BE EXCERCISED! It is meant to be provided with nutritional, whole foods! We need to stop breeding a society which constantly puts images in our face of candy bars and processed foods. By allowing this, we’re teaching ourselves to eat for pleasure. Eating is not about pleasure, it’s about fueling your body.

Money – it is the root of all evil. It is because of money why we have violence, why we see nonstop wars, and why the few control the many. It is responsible for disease and sickness, obesity, starvation, depression, suicide, I could go on and on.

It is time to seriously rethink the way we’re living. It starts with you. It starts with a new understanding of who you really are at your deepest level. You are one with everything. You ARE everything. Your brain and your body are the means through which consciousness experiences itself. You are not your ego.

It is time for us to change.

Evolve or die.

11 votes, posted 12.15.2012 at 11:13 pm
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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@savmot, I don’t know if you realize this, but criminals tend to not follow the law. They would get guns if you regulated them, and they would get guns if you completely outlawed them. Tighter gun laws will make almost absolutely no impact on the amount of criminals/mentally insane people getting guns.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, If the penalties to an illegal gun dealer were much higher (atm they can get up to a $10,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison, but since when does anyone do full term?) if the penalties are much higher then gun dealers would either go out of business or significantly raise their black market prices to make the risk worthwhile. This all round makes illegal purchases difficult.

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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, Could criminals/insane people not just get a gun from someone else who could buy one legally?

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, Absolutely, but then they are not licensed to deal guns either so they run the same risk as any blackmarket dealer.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, Unless you are talking about theft, that is why it all has to co-incide with initiatives on the appropriate storage and security measure that any well trained gun handler should already know. The professional licensed gun handlers in Australia have a theft rate of about 0.06% of all guns stolen in Australia each year. That shows how scary the ammount of unregistered guns are stolen from unlicensed handlers, and that is still a big battle here, as it will be something not solvable over night where you are.
The ammount of guns in the U.S is a phenomenally daunting task, but I think it is worth efforts. A lot of what I have already said in this thread show where I stand. I respect certain freedom as far as guns and I think it is highly unreasonable to expect absolute results with Americas situation.
There are a number of resonable precautions you guys can take. I actually made a suggestion about what I call “Private professional response teams” being posted near or in schools, with a fair setup of cctv systems being an option, these can work with the schools and parents in preparation. Ideas about potential threats, anonymous tips, warning signs etc. This would be a community effort that not only brings a greater vigilance and peace of mind, but it draws the entire community together in a sense of duty and co-operation, providing the strength each of us have to offer.

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Jay (@punker96)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, But wouldn’t you agree that, seeing as how you obviously have a very good understanding of the need for a change in understanding in our society, if all gun owners were willing to give up control it would benefit society as a whole. Gun owners giving up the “right to bare arms”, regardless of whether or not they misuse their weapons, could be the first step in creating real change. I understand completely that you want to stay protected, but think, if there were no need for guns in the first place then what would you really need to protect yourself from?

I agree with a lot of the things you said in your original posting, and I also agree that too much government control is a bad thing, but if guns were made illegal, I think the issue of reducing excessive violence would be taking a huge step in the right direction. With time and through proper teaching, maybe the attitudes we have in our society would begin to change as a result. Because when it comes down to it, I don’t think we would really be giving up freedom. I think all we would really be giving up is the right to live a life of paranoia. One that is centered around the possibility that one day we may need to defend ourselves against the guy down the street with a gun collection who is mentally unstable and feels the need to release his inner pain on others in the form of a gunshot.

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savmot (@savmot)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, Alex, really, other countries in the world tell a different story. Come to England, see how much gun crime we have here in comparison to the US. Believe it or not, most criminals do not have guns. Very few, in fact, have guns. And I’m not scared of someone breaking into my property, and I am not obsessed with defending myself, because of this reason.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@savmot, Totally agree bro, the same here in Australia, I said before, I live in a rough part of Sydney but I can walk around the streets at any time, day or night and not fear anything. There is the chance some group of punks may want to rumble but generally they seek weak targets, so smaller set people than myself are better off with a few friends at night.
People who want to rob your house will not do it if they are not confident you will be out long enough, I’m sure they sit there shitting themselves praying you don’t come home. Most criminal (or would be criminal) types are cowards and the actual badass guys like Biker gangs are level headed and don’t like to draw attention, you just don’t cross them or don’t even try to talk to them and there is no trouble.

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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@savmot, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html

@punker96, And how exactly can we get everyone to willingly give up their guns? We can’t. The fact is, people break the law and harm others, and victims should have guns to defend themselves. Otherwise, only the criminals have the guns, and the law-abiding citizen is stuck with a knife, waiting for the cops to arrive. And let’s assume that all guns disappear. What’s that guy down the street who’s mentally unstable going to do? Release his inner pain on others in the form of a bombing, stabbing rampage, or some other mass murder, simply using a different weapon.
@trek79, Not a bad idea having some kind of response teams. Or maybe police officers have shifts during which they have to be near a school or something.

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savmot (@savmot)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, Your link about higher crime rates has nothing to do with gun crime, and I don’t see how it’s relevant. I didn’t say that not having guns reduces crime, I said our criminals don’t have guns, and therefore I don’t need a gun for protection.

The second article you posted, well, I don’t get the point. Gun crime is increasing in the UK (in 2003) It’s still a rarity, and it would increase a hell of a lot more were guns as readily available to every one as they are in America.

We have 14 gun deaths to America’s 9369.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@savmot, My links were to show you that decreasing the supply of guns leads to higher gun crime and higher crime in general. Read this one all the way through http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/18/great-gun-control-fallacy-thomas-sowell?INTCMP=SRCH

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savmot (@savmot)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, I think that you’d be hard pushed to prove that lack of guns is responsible for increases crime rate. I will take a look at that link later :)

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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@savmot, Best believe it. I hope you have an umbrella…

Edit: …because it’s raining cold, hard facts up in here.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, The thing is that these incidents are over within a few minutes, it is not just about having a response team, but a well educated team that can work with the community at large in prevention and preparation.
Civil rights come into play and you can’t just identify a potential threat and then arrest them or raid their homes. The idea is to watch them, anonymous tips are one way to find out if there are these kinds of weapons unregistered and owned by unlicensed people, that are easily accessable by disgruntled people, but tips are not evidence sufficient for arrest or search and seizure warrants.
Teachers and parents need to communicate their concerns with school counsellors, students who may have inside information about class mates that they are worried about, etc. The cost on anyones conscience should be so great if they could have done something but were not confident in their own judgement, or some notion of being a “snitch” and selling out friends is a cultural taboo.
The biggest issue in my opinion is that people do not respect the urgency of appropriate storage of weapons. The difference between being a gun owner and a gun handler is astronomical and people need to see that the people who love guns most and the people who are best with them are not just good at shooting, they are the best with every aspect of gun ownership, including safe handling and appropriate storage.
This is a cultuaral nessecity to instill in people, it is not about just having the right to have a gun, the ownership entails a huge comprehensive responsibility that if neglected could result in these mass incidents.

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Alex (@alexishungry)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, I don’t have time to write a big response at the moment, but I wholeheartedly agree. We need to emphasize good gun responsibility/ownership and work that into our culture.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)1 year, 9 months ago ago

@alexishungry, The cost of having a gun does not end at the purchase price. Added costs come in with lock-down safes, you can’t just slide your gun under your bed or put it in a shoebox in your closet. So many of these shootings are because some kid has easy access to their parents arsenal. A big thing is keeping the gun and ammo together, they have to be seperate and both difficult to get to.
I don’t see the need to have the “superguns” taken off the gun club property, there should be storage lockers on grounds and an insistence that members use them. The cost of not doing that would mean you have to prove you have proper storage facilities, you have to submit regular psychological evaluations at your own cost, an increase in the cost of your licensing, huge penalties for if it is stolen or accessed by others and also there is the emphasis on the fact that if one of these incidents occur because of your irresponsibility then you are liable.

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lazy intellectual (@lazyintellectual90)1 year, 9 months ago ago

I think problem is with our understanding of ourselves and purpose on this spaceship of ours.By not letting go of our biological predispositions and coming this far technologically the only state of mind we could occupy is that of fear,laziness and stupidity.The problem is truly with us no matter whom else becomes our scapegoat.Problem is that as earlier stated the jig is up but our stupidity has given us a false sense of immortality,thus we ignore it espousing this call for a good present for a better future to nay-sayers and anarchists.My take is to do it the best way you can,the change that is,and have fun while you are at it.If we happen to succeed then this shall just be seen as nothing more than a transitional period and we mere cavemen who sought out more out of their existence.If we fail then we weren’t ready for whatever is supposed to be birthed out of this period of our short existence.

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更高的存在 (@huanhanjuexing)1 year, 9 months ago ago

你说的很好

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