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Néstor (@mrgalactic07)    2 years, 11 months ago

@Manimal

You’ve defined escapism as trying to make your current situation ‘better’. I agree. Is weed often used to escape? Absolutely. I do it a lot.

However, can you see a situation where weed makes your current situation ‘different’ without defining better or worse?

If someone smokes in moderation without dependence or necessity, is it still escapism?

Ex. A guy smokes pot one time and after says "Hmm that was cool" and never smokes again. Was the drug still an escape from reality? Or just a different new experience, like many non-drug related experiences.

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Amy (@amyelizabeth)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Nestor
“I know I’m killing a lot of neurons but I have plenty”
hahahah that’s so awesome

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Weed is bad mmkay. It’s funny how every time someone brings up weed being good, it’s a pot head who just wants to justify his drug habit.

Sure, weed has some benefits, but looking at the big picture it’s a bad thing. I’ve got nothing against weed, used to smoke it all day errday and still smoke it occasionally. But I know damn well that it isn’t a good thing, and I don’t try to pretend that it is. It’s a drug, it fucks with your nerves to make you feel funny.

I’ve got nothing against stoners, but when they try to preach how harmless, beneficial and great weed is that’s just retarded and lame.

If you wanna puff the herb, do it, but don’t fucking make excuses.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@manimal, your right people are trying to make it seem better than it is, thats a given. It’s not even close to bad compared to cigarettes and alcohol and if you smoked weed you know this. It enhances curiosity, which can be used as a learning tool. But moderation is key here Everyone smokes a joint too many most times.
But like you said do it, just don’t make excuses!

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias)2 years, 11 months ago ago

I disagree with you Manimal – I also smoke weed and i would probably be pretty bad with the preaching but i don’t think of weed as a drug anymore than caffeine and Alcohol and to me it’s not really bad to promote Weed when really Alcohol and all the other stuff is way worse, really you’re doing society a favor by bringing attention to what the doctors are saying about this – recently a danish doctor proclaimed that we should legalize it nationally – as it is in fact beneficial to many illnesses, this is not stoner excuse as this is no argument as to why a healthy kid as me with nothing to “cure” should do it – i do it purely because i like it from time to time, and it definitely put my mind off cigarettes as well as alcohol which in my opinion is much more “retarded” – it’s a fucking plant get over it already. ;:D

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@tobias pretty fucking much hahaa

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Hunter (@hoont)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Manimal:
if your definition of a drug is that “it fucks with your nerves to make you feel funny” then you are describing the effects of hormones and serotonin as having a drug-like quality.
Again, Chocolate does exactly the same thing. It affects your body in a way that releases endorphins (many the same endorphins that cannabis releases) which anyone would admit “fuck with your nerves to make you feel funny” hell SMILING then is a drug… am I making myself clear?

I’ve been “defending” my use of cannabis for years not because I want to feel good about myself while smoking it, but because even possessing cannabis makes you a criminal. Therefore the popular view, as supported by “Reefer Madness”, is to demonize a plant that has infinite value FAR BEYOND just “getting high” (textiles, oils, building material, glues, biodegradable plastics, FOOD, Medicine… the list is growing)

in a society that criminalizes cannabis ANYONE using it has to defend themselves… how many people do you hear defending their drinking, or coffee habits?

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Legal Drugs: “Caffeine to make you word hard, nicotine to make you die young, and alcohol to make you forget you are being screwed over.”

I’m sure weed would be legal already if it benefited govt in some way. Otherwise they look at it as something to make people work less. If it becomes legal, it won’t be because it should, but because of money or something.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Weed WILL be legal when more and more people start smoking and we decided to use democracy to our advantage. I predict 30 years if people start rasing kids with their hearts and not minds molded from tv lol

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Before I risk sounding like an idiot I speak from Canada. Our green party counted for less then 2% of votes. Their not trying to legalize weed itself for use but their long term goal was sustainable resources by filling the prairies with hemp plants as opposed to cutting trees (stronger longer lasting paper with yearly crops, its the greatest idea ever the governments mentally challenged for not doing it)

I think the reason we don’t act towards change is due to fear. Our current government is conservative and worry about jobs and health and budget. Which are all scare tactics in my opinion cause they say the same shit ever election and nothing changes really. We don’t have to worry about money at all.If people realized we need a change (no matter the outcome) were smart enough to fix whatever problems we get ourselves in worse cause scenario we can’t afford to fund a expensive ‘war’, big fucking deal. Ain’t no body attacking canada and canada ain’t helpin no body when we dip our hands in bloodshed.

This was all taught to me by a door to door representative in NB, I have yet to hear any of it elsewhere. Young need to vote more is the moral hahaa

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Watercolour (@watercolourgem)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Are you all growing this stuff in your yards or what?! lol
Why can’t you all just reach for a plate of warm, soft chocolate chip cookies and a tall glass of milk? lmao

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Who says we can’t do both? +
weed is more natural the cookies lmao

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

weed is more natural then cookies lmao

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Valdemar Compared to this, compared to that. You can distort anything by comparing it to worse things. Compare weed to no drugs, and there’s a clear winner in the category of benefit. Weed is probably a great medicine, I don’t deny that, I don’t deny that it should be legal either. I’m pro-legalisation.

@Hunter Don’t try to put words into my mouth, it’s lame. Those aren’t my definitions. A drug is something you ingest that releases those signal substances, and you damn well know that. Smiling isn’t a drug, it’s a facial expression. Cacao is a drug, sugar too, chocolate is full of drugs, hundreds of them. Only very small doses though, which is beneficial (except the sugar and additives in commercial “chocolate”)

There is no sense in defending it. Being defensive means you know you’re doing something bad and don’t want the blame for it. If you didn’t think it was bad, you wouldn’t be defensive. You would be all chill and not give a fuck, smoking in public and what not. And now you’re gonna counter with a flurry of even more defensive stuff like “but then i’ll get busted blah blah.” See you’re making more excuses and stuff. If there truly was nothing wrong about it, you wouldn’t be defensive.

Your post reminds me of Biodome haha. “More oxygen for eeeeveryone”

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@ manimal but if we who believe its good don’t defend it, no one will. Then it will always be ‘bad’ in everyones eyes

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Alex Weed works perfectly for people control as well. It used to be legal you know, and people would use it to forget they’re being fucked over. Just like today, except it’s illegal. And it’s being slowly legalized again, it’s a smart trick. The downpart for them about most drugs is that they make you unpredictable and difficult to manage. As for nicotine, I don’t think it’s there to make you die young, but to make you more relaxed in your misery and to make you sick so they can sell you their medicine, treatments and stop-smoking-products.

@Kirk Depends how you define mentally challenged. If you mean dumb, then no, they’re very smart to illegalize that since they make money off of all the things that it could replace. Which is why they illegalized it in the first place.

There’s no defense needed. Just smoke it if you want and don’t give a fuck. That’s the only way it’s ever gonna get accepted. By people not giving a fuck instead of making a big deal of it.

@Anna Now THAT is poison. No benefits whatsoever.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@manimal I’m sorry it is a discussion board, I’m not here to not give a fuck about it. Totally here to talk about it.

And greed is considered dumb to me hahaa

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Hunter (@hoont)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Manimal: before you say I’m putting words in your mouth take a look at your original post. you explicitly say “it’s a drug, it fucks with your nerves to make you feel funny” your words not mine.

and as far as being defensive goes you say: “Being defensive means you know you’re doing something bad and don’t want the blame for it.”

I don’t disagree, and when I say I am defensive it is because (as I stated) it is the government who labels it “bad”; therefore by imbibing cannabis I AM “doing something bad” and as far as not “want(ing) the blame for it” I take full blame that I am imbibing cannabis but I do not agree that I am doing something bad. If anything I am defending our right to use what this earth has given us as we see fit; I am defending my freedom.

and thank you for preemptively putting words into MY mouth.
you obviously don’t know me, because I am more than comfortable to light up a joint and walk down the street. I know that in the eyes of the law I am “doing something bad” and I won’t fight the judge when she says “you broke the law now you have to pay” because that is the legal system I live under, and I know full well I am breaking the law when I flex my rights as a human.

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Hunters reply to manimal – exactly my point, in fact very much what i was trying to say clumsily :)

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Manimal i don’t think it’s completely fair to think of what we do here on HE as going on the defence – i’m not making excuses i’m simply arguing that cannabis is no more a drug than sugar etc. not in regarding what you say but most people don’t refer to other substances as drugs – not for scientific reasons but because of the demonization that Hunter was also talking about – when people think of drugs they think of bad things such as coke and meth. I do not think it is fair to put cannabis in that category as it has a humungus potential in the medical field and really doesent do much to harm your health.

tl;dr – i see your point and i understand that you are frustrated with people who don’t have their facts straight promoting this, and that you yourself puff occasionally and aren’t as such against cannabis – But i still disagree with you saying cannabis is bad for you, the more i read (from doctors and researches that is) about this subject the more convinced i get that this is no more harmfull than coffee, of course it can trigger mental illness if you’re already on that track, and can cause brain fog if you smoke regularly, but at least as many benficial factors can be mentioned in that context so i must disagree with you here.

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Watercolour (@watercolourgem)2 years, 11 months ago ago

Well shite! I think I have been getting high on cookies, for years too! ahahaha

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Hunter Defending your freedom? If there’s a threat you have no freedom, there is nothing to defend. Now, there are no threats, other than imagined threats. By being defensive, you create that threat. Just smoke your damn blunt and chill out, if that’s what you want. There is no threat.

@Tobias So what makes weed good, and meth bad, other than your opinion? And what’s wrong with putting them in the same category? They’re both drugs, they’re both illegal, etc. It’s a perfectly fine way of categorizing it, of course there are other ways that are just as good. If you don’t want people to judge your drug, don’t judge others’ drugs, that’s hypocrisy.

I never said cannabis is dangerous, but it isn’t harmless, neither is coffee. Smoking weed is very bad, since you’re inhaling smoke, and that’s the way most people consume it. There are other ways, and those ways aren’t nearly as harmful, but they’re still not harmless. You’re still messing with your signal substances, that’s never a good thing. Weed has a bad influence on your sleep, sleep is a very important thing. Recreational drug use hijacks your body’s reward system, this is really bad, nobody should even have to bring that up because it’s so obvious. You feel good when you’re not supposed to, that fucks your life up, we have feelings for a reason.

Looking at the big picture, there’s no way you could say weed is harmless. Not even close.

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 11 months ago ago

smoke crack…..

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Greg (@gregwilleatyou)2 years, 11 months ago ago

I smoke and I don’t give a fuck. Doesn’t matter if its legal or illegal to me. It’d be nice if it was legal but who cares. If anyone wants to judge me fuck em! I love my wake n bake.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@manimal its comments like that that make it sound so bad though. If your looking at the big picture, a lot of things are harmless. 90% of food today is so it’s used in moderation.

So if food isn’t considered harmless to anyone, weed shouldn’t either.
IF you consider food dangerous (which it is in most cases), I’ll classify weed as dangerous. Its all about moderation, its key. That’s how I see it, and that’s why I see your comment as just a bunch of words.

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Sisyphus (@sisyphus)2 years, 11 months ago ago

@Manimal I definitely agree that weed is not harmless. As you said inhaling smoke will always give you lung problems, no matter the substance. The good thing about marijuana is that it is easy to use in moderation. Smoking a joint every so often will most likely not fuck up your life or health if you live an otherwise healthy lifestyle. Is it better than not using at all? Absolutely not.

Clearing things up: It won’t give you schizophrenia or alzheimers or mental health problems. You might as well be saying masturbation causes blindness. Lung cancer, bronchitis, emphysema? Very possible.

And yes, I smoke marijuana.

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