weed can be good

3 years, 5 months ago

@Manimal

You’ve defined escapism as trying to make your current situation ‘better’. I agree. Is weed often used to escape? Absolutely. I do it a lot.

However, can you see a situation where weed makes your current situation ‘different’ without defining better or worse?

If someone smokes in moderation without dependence or necessity, is it still escapism?

Ex. A guy smokes pot one time and after says "Hmm that was cool" and never smokes again. Was the drug still an escape from reality? Or just a different new experience, like many non-drug related experiences.

November 27, 2011 at 1:30 am

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Profile photo of BirdFlyingHigh BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@Manimal It’s a lot easier to get high on life after you’ve done a few drugs.

@Matt I often slip into fairly meditative states when I smoke. For a while I smoked every day, but I think on some level I was just seeing if I could handle it. But yes, I’ve had some interesting “religious” experiences while high. I’ve always been a fan of exploring cool architecture while stoned, and going to places that are especially beautiful.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@manimal you talk to me like I’m not high on life already! I disagree and agree with you at the same though. Being happy with life and having a nice trip= beautiful. Your so joyed to be alive to have the connection to what you think is your soul. Although it goes both ways, if your in a spot your not exactly happy with and your repressing feelings and thoughts its bound to come out when you free your mind. Been there done that. Its a risky game that’s worth the risk. Just don’t ever do coke!

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@Kirk Willy I already have that joy and connection, like I said, I am high on life. Trust me, I’ve tried several times and it doesn’t really work anymore. Hallucinogens give me visuals, e makes me a lil bit gooey, that’s it. I’ve got plenty of experience. And why should I never do coke? I am never gonna do it again, but I don’t see why you’re hating on coke when you’re defending weed. Drug-Hitler :p I’ve had great times with coke.

I’m not joking when I say I’m high on life, I mean it. I feel really wonderful all the fucking time, way better than I ever felt on weed.

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Profile photo of Milo Milo (@milo) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

Congrats manimal I guess you’re really high on life and feel really good about yourself right now.

Weed is nice. I used to roll joints by the hour, take smoke breaks at work, leave school get stoned, come back to art class and make masterful pieces. It really inhibits my social abilities to holler at homies though. So I haven’t toked in a week now. I’m waiting till I get laid and then I’m gonna put my feet up, take a nice drag, and feel like a boss.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

Hahah! Good point! BUT coke more or less the way this world uses it, isn’t for healing purposes more of party and addiction. So in my eyes more synthetic then natural.

How can you say it doesn’t enhance your happiness with life if you’ve done hallucinogens? Really makes me question your trips!

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@Kirk I prefer party drugging than chill-out drugging anyday. If you use a drug for a party or some other activity, for enhancement I don’t see how anything is wrong about that. Just doing drugs to sit on your ass though…

I’ve had great trips in the past, but as I said they barely have any effect on me anymore other than visuals.

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Profile photo of Ellie Ellie M (@tangledupinplaid21) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

Manimal, I know exactly what you’re talking about! I’ve had times with smoking weed where all I got was tired, or even rolling on molly where I felt almost no change in my disposition… I dropped a mdma capsule after painting(which I was naturally high as fuck and happy from) and the only thing the drug seemed to do was make my heart beat harder.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

Weed has lost its home-run effect on me. I still enjoy to smoke, however figuring out the line between sober and high is harder to tell all the time. I still feel like I have a pretty clear head though!
Weed is good from person to person depending on the person, because there has been nothing else (besides myself of course) that has tested me as a person. Weed tests everything about me from my personality, moderation, social skills, responsibilities.

Tripping is the shit though, but again, moderation is key. I am so glad I was able to see the world in such a beautiful light, and now I know I can see that light any time I wish, I don’t need the drug to do that, however my brain would’ve never ‘thought to think’ like that. But, I did to much acid once upon a time and it fucked my social skills up pretty badly. It was like I had to re-teach myself how to speak to people. Good experience though. I came out with a better grasp on communication in general.

I like how drugs test people. People need to be tested. It’s like having a foot-race. Everyone wants to prove they are the fastest, and the only way to do that is to race. Some people will race fair, some people will push others out of the way, and some people will recognize they won’t win and take it slow, others won’t even bother with the race.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@manimal Who said anything about sititng on your ass when your high!? When I’m tripping out I just want to be with a few good lads not a party scene and I want to adventure, preferably during the day as opposed to night. Your saying you only had visuals, that’s a small part of hallucinating to me.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@alex very nice analogy about the tests it may cause and I agree 100% with what you say man.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@Kirk, same here. Visuals are a small small part. Nothing better than tripping out and climbing a mountain! Bare-foot of course. Also, thanks! It’s always how I looked at the whole thing.

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

Weed started off to me as the best thing ever. And in hindsight, it still was the best thing ever. Borrowing what Alex just said, it really put me to the test in so many areas. Weed frequently blessed me with 2 hour~ episodes of third person introspection when I was a newbie. The guilt I experienced through those trips forced action out of me. I am so much more well-rounded and functional today than 2 years ago when I started smoking. But since then, weed has also been lingering around as a dampener on my life. I get to the point where I will smoke a bowl and not feel high whatsoever. It will be only the side-effects of the drug that I will experience. And let’s be honest, they suck ass.
Weed’s like, good if you need it; Terrible if you don’t. It definitely is escapism too, like Manimal said. Think about it. They prescribe it to people with depression and anxiety. It comforts. But it is a drug so it is false comfort, you cannot forget that. False comfort will indeed lead to indifference to many problems around you, especially social ones. Whenever I stop smoking after having smoked for a long period, there is a large to do list that I was hardly conscious of before, and I am simply beaming with social energy.
Shrooms can be good too. Same thing as weed, much more powerful, different set of side-effects. I’d say shrooms are a more healthful drug.

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Profile photo of BirdFlyingHigh BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

I’m about to smoke and then go play with kittens, because I volunteer at my local animal shelter. Awwww yeaaah… kittensss

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

lol. so true. I made a connection with a very intelligent 11 year old cat while I was tripping balls. It was like super attentive, tilting its head when I talked to it and expressing itself with low meows. It must have sensed my heightened presence. Cats are so strange.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@manimal, escapism or free will? Just because somebody might enjoy a different mindstate under certain circumstances does not mean they are escaping from anything; others and myself have nothing to escape from and indulge in drugs to enhance our experience.

When you smoke you are introducing chemicals that will effect your sensory interpretations and you can either let your subconscious figure out the resulting changes in perception or you can exert conscious control and maintain a much more “productive” mindstate. Too few people are in control of their highs….or lows for that matter

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

I suppose what he could mean is any attempt to enhance your sensory inputs is escapism. Sometimes you must run away to find home though. The lack of sensory input is what we want.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@hollowinfinity) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

“The senses are meant to help him get around in the world, not to lead him to the truth.”

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

I’m jaded, I experienced what I would define as ego death on my first acid trip. Drugs and introspection go hand in hand for me

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Profile photo of Justin Justin (@bigredrassler) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

I usually meditate after I smoke, as it quiets my runaway thoughts. I also smoke when I need to do menial tasks for extended periods of time(I have a business that requires me to copy contact information from business databases, for example). Other, more powerful substances I only use ritualistically, but weed can be a social lubricant for people who live in their heads.

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Profile photo of Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

I really agree with what devon is saying about escapism i think it’s sort of over analyzing to say that it’s escapism – sure it’s very likely to be for many but for me i just like doing it – if that makes it escapism then so is eating chocolate,h and that i think isn’t worth talking about, it sort of kills the imprint of the term as it would make most things we enjoy escapism.

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Profile photo of BirdFlyingHigh BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@Dan That’s awesome. I want to mind-meld with a kitty sometime.

@devon That’s what I’m looking for out of a trip – ego death. Would you call it an overall positive experience? Not that it matters what I think of it if it happens, I guess… but I’m just curious.

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Profile photo of BirdFlyingHigh BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

Sorry, I’m getting really off-topic in this thread. I’ll message ya!

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@bird, positive without doubt. basically sums up my experience

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Profile photo of jjj jjj (@crackedout6pack) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

i do find that i have to take about a month break from it every 6/7months.
just to get back into that confident un hazy state where you dont feel so tired and apathetic all the time..

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Profile photo of Néstor Néstor (@mrgalactic07) 3 years, 4 months ago ago

@JJJ

interesting!

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