weed can be good
You’ve defined escapism as trying to make your current situation ‘better’. I agree. Is weed often used to escape? Absolutely. I do it a lot.
However, can you see a situation where weed makes your current situation ‘different’ without defining better or worse?
If someone smokes in moderation without dependence or necessity, is it still escapism?
Ex. A guy smokes pot one time and after says "Hmm that was cool" and never smokes again. Was the drug still an escape from reality? Or just a different new experience, like many non-drug related experiences.
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Enhancing anything could be considered escapism. Why is the current experience not great enough? I’m arguing both sides here, because both sides are right. There are good/bad effects of weed. If you chose to indulge you need to recognize both sides.
Hahah! Good point! BUT coke more or less the way this world uses it, isn’t for healing purposes more of party and addiction. So in my eyes more synthetic then natural.
How can you say it doesn’t enhance your happiness with life if you’ve done hallucinogens? Really makes me question your trips!
@manimal, it kinda looks like you skewed the pretenses of my question. What if you ARE ok with your current knowledge and don’t “crave” more; you simply logically come to the conclusion that by exerting conscious effort(either internally or externally) in the present, you can effect the “present” situation that you will soon be having in a beneficial way. If you live in the present you are at one with change. Using our ability to affect change doesn’t mean that we don’t accept the present.
You seem a little resilient to acknowledging the existence of different subjective experience regarding this particular method of chemical mindstate manipulation, that’s a mouthful.
Yes, I said we’re wrong because we can never be completely right in labeling anything. And I said I think you’re more wrong than usual because that’s my opinion based on the discrepancy between our choice of labels for this particular scenario.
and me touchy…no, I yam what I yam
Weed is bad mmkay. It’s funny how every time someone brings up weed being good, it’s a pot head who just wants to justify his drug habit.
Sure, weed has some benefits, but looking at the big picture it’s a bad thing. I’ve got nothing against weed, used to smoke it all day errday and still smoke it occasionally. But I know damn well that it isn’t a good thing, and I don’t try to pretend that it is. It’s a drug, it fucks with your nerves to make you feel funny.
I’ve got nothing against stoners, but when they try to preach how harmless, beneficial and great weed is that’s just retarded and lame.
If you wanna puff the herb, do it, but don’t fucking make excuses.
@Valdemar Compared to this, compared to that. You can distort anything by comparing it to worse things. Compare weed to no drugs, and there’s a clear winner in the category of benefit. Weed is probably a great medicine, I don’t deny that, I don’t deny that it should be legal either. I’m pro-legalisation.
@Hunter Don’t try to put words into my mouth, it’s lame. Those aren’t my definitions. A drug is something you ingest that releases those signal substances, and you damn well know that. Smiling isn’t a drug, it’s a facial expression. Cacao is a drug, sugar too, chocolate is full of drugs, hundreds of them. Only very small doses though, which is beneficial (except the sugar and additives in commercial “chocolate”)
There is no sense in defending it. Being defensive means you know you’re doing something bad and don’t want the blame for it. If you didn’t think it was bad, you wouldn’t be defensive. You would be all chill and not give a fuck, smoking in public and what not. And now you’re gonna counter with a flurry of even more defensive stuff like “but then i’ll get busted blah blah.” See you’re making more excuses and stuff. If there truly was nothing wrong about it, you wouldn’t be defensive.
Your post reminds me of Biodome haha. “More oxygen for eeeeveryone”
shit with the discussions.
why can’t we just share our opinion.
and i don’t make excuses, i’m aware of the danger, but as Daniel said “smoke responsibly” and that’s how i do it.
the title is “weed can be good” not “weed IS good”. you know what i mean?
@Manimal. Hey! relax man, smoke responsibly and it doesn’t feel that bad after all.
You can be happy and present while still understanding that what you’re doing in the present affects what you will still be doing in the present, tomorrow. I think it’s ignorant to assume that exerting will on the present, in order to logically improve your “future” present situation, is escapism. Accepting the present situation is all fine and dandy but it leads to complacency; we SHOULD be manipulating sensory input and we SHOULD be determining how we can enjoy our experiences more thoroughly and with more individuality.
@manimal its comments like that that make it sound so bad though. If your looking at the big picture, a lot of things are harmless. 90% of food today is so it’s used in moderation.
So if food isn’t considered harmless to anyone, weed shouldn’t either.
IF you consider food dangerous (which it is in most cases), I’ll classify weed as dangerous. Its all about moderation, its key. That’s how I see it, and that’s why I see your comment as just a bunch of words.
@Kirk I prefer party drugging than chill-out drugging anyday. If you use a drug for a party or some other activity, for enhancement I don’t see how anything is wrong about that. Just doing drugs to sit on your ass though…
I’ve had great trips in the past, but as I said they barely have any effect on me anymore other than visuals.
@devon We’re not getting anywhere by continuing this, we’re only repeating what we’ve already said.
I stand by my statement, if you use something to somehow make something artificially “better,” that’s escapism.
Yes, labels are never the truth, they’re signposts. And quoting Popeye is cool.
@manimal, your right people are trying to make it seem better than it is, thats a given. It’s not even close to bad compared to cigarettes and alcohol and if you smoked weed you know this. It enhances curiosity, which can be used as a learning tool. But moderation is key here Everyone smokes a joint too many most times.
But like you said do it, just don’t make excuses!
An interesting read/watch on the subject of Marijuana is The Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan. It explores how Apples, Marijuana, Tulips and Potatoes have shaped our culture.
All segments are interesting, but the section on cannabis starts at 55:10
Widespread hemp production could solve nearly all of our environmental problems we face. It is a symbiosis that has been very heavily combatted by “the law”. The fibers are stronger than any other plant and could go toward replacing plastics, and concrete reinforcement and also for alot of disposable purposes. The Oil is an excellent feedstock for biodiesel production, very nutritious (omega3 and 6, can be used in the production of lubricants, inks, paints, and candles.
The seeds are a complete protein containing all ten of the essential amino acids our body needs.
I don’t even need to repeat the medicinal benefits and violence prevention that weed offers.
manimal I think you need to take a bong rip and come back to this. and stop trying to project your negative opinion as fact.
I know from previous discussions that you slowed down your consumption and that it had positive results in your life; fantastic. It’s a pretty brass assumption to assume everybody is like you. Weed when used properly is not escapism and is not inertly dangerous. Some people don’t need to stop smoking to pull their heads out of their asses; somebody who is actually mindful can be above the drug.
As far as physical effects I’m not really sure.. I’ve been a year round athlete most of my life but didn’t start endurance running till after I became a stoner; haven’t noticed any setbacks besides the occasional phlegm. My lung capacity has not decreased and I can still hold my breath longer than most everybody.
This is all just my personal opinion on the matter; weed needs no defense.
@Kirk You just don’t get it, you’re not reading all of what I’m posting. The past isn’t now.
@Devon You’re just changing the semantics to turn it into something different. It’s still escapism. And if you use drugs to “enjoy a different mindstate” you’re escaping from your apparent inability to enjoy a different mindstate without drugs. Drug use is escapism.
@Valdemar Over-analyzing? No, it’s a very simple conclusion. You’re using it to get from point a to point b, because you don’t like point a as much as point b. That’s escapism, no exceptions.
@Matt Willi Nelson outsmoked Snoop, they had a smokedown. Snoop is a classic example of someone who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk very well, after all he’s a mainstream rapper. Willi Nelson is a pretty cool guy, very laid back.