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Néstor (@mrgalactic07)    2 years, 9 months ago

@Manimal

You’ve defined escapism as trying to make your current situation ‘better’. I agree. Is weed often used to escape? Absolutely. I do it a lot.

However, can you see a situation where weed makes your current situation ‘different’ without defining better or worse?

If someone smokes in moderation without dependence or necessity, is it still escapism?

Ex. A guy smokes pot one time and after says "Hmm that was cool" and never smokes again. Was the drug still an escape from reality? Or just a different new experience, like many non-drug related experiences.

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Zane (@zanegief)2 years, 9 months ago ago

I smoke frequently and it’s always to enhance the experience of whatever it is I’m doing and relax. Toke a bowl and try cooking something nice for yourself, watching a good movie or reading an interesting book. It boils down to your personal choice, some people rather reserve it for special occasions, that’s fine too.

It definitely is not escapism

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Enhancing anything could be considered escapism. Why is the current experience not great enough? I’m arguing both sides here, because both sides are right. There are good/bad effects of weed. If you chose to indulge you need to recognize both sides.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 9 months ago ago

You can be happy and present while still understanding that what you’re doing in the present affects what you will still be doing in the present, tomorrow. I think it’s ignorant to assume that exerting will on the present, in order to logically improve your “future” present situation, is escapism. Accepting the present situation is all fine and dandy but it leads to complacency; we SHOULD be manipulating sensory input and we SHOULD be determining how we can enjoy our experiences more thoroughly and with more individuality.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@Kirk You just don’t get it, you’re not reading all of what I’m posting. The past isn’t now.

@Devon You’re just changing the semantics to turn it into something different. It’s still escapism. And if you use drugs to “enjoy a different mindstate” you’re escaping from your apparent inability to enjoy a different mindstate without drugs. Drug use is escapism.

@Valdemar Over-analyzing? No, it’s a very simple conclusion. You’re using it to get from point a to point b, because you don’t like point a as much as point b. That’s escapism, no exceptions.

@Matt Willi Nelson outsmoked Snoop, they had a smokedown. Snoop is a classic example of someone who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk very well, after all he’s a mainstream rapper. Willi Nelson is a pretty cool guy, very laid back.

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Daniel (@reklaw)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Manimal, I can’t tell if you’re putting a negative connotation on “escapism”. Are you referring to it in the same way that watching a movie is escapism? If so that’s a fair enough comparison I guess, I’m sure it’s that way for some people. Personally I don’t come out of a movie begrudgingly, having escaped reality and then forced to return. It’s not that way with weed either. But if you mean it as in if you use weed you are running away from your problems, then I have to strongly disagree. Weed has been nothing if not a completely positive experience for me, and I want to make sure that experience is well represented, because it is the same for a lot of people. I feel the better term would be “altering the mind” rather than “escapism”, which seems to imply mindlessness or even cowardice, like you’re hiding from reality or something.

Just because you don’t get any spiritual or personal enrichment from it doesn’t mean that others don’t. I totally agree that some people use it the wrong way, such as your stereotypical burnout stoner (I’ve seen it, but it tends to be people that started at much too young an age. I feel it’s best to be a fully formed adult before getting into these sorts of things), but saying that that is the general experience for all people is ignorance.

If you must absolutely call it escapism, then in turn I think its fair to say that it’s still more real than watching a movie, or having a dream, or playing video games. It’s still very real compared to a lot of things and experiences in life.

Not calling you out or anything, just curious to hear a little more from you.

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Greg (@gregwilleatyou)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Very well said Daniel. You said exactly what I was thinking but I couldn’t put it into words. :D

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 9 months ago ago

What’s a negative connotation? What’s fair? What’s mindlessness and cowardice? What’s a stereotypical burnout stoner? What’s too young? What’s real?

Definitions, man. You’re making it way too complicated with all these concepts, don’t describe a concept with a bunch of other even more diffuse concepts, that’s only confusing. But since that’s what you’re asking me for, here’s some more:

Escapism: Escapism is mental diversion by means of entertainment or recreation, as an “escape” from the perceived unpleasant or banal aspects of daily life. It can also be used as a term to define the actions people take to help relieve persisting feelings of depression or general sadness. – Wikipedia

If there was nothing to escape from, what makes you want to get stoned? Why does being stoned feel “better” than being sober? There is definitely something being escaped. No matter how “ordinary” or “insignificant” it is, there is something you’re escaping. If you feel that weed would somehow make the situation better in some way than you could make it without weed, then that’s escapism.

Does it matter if I’m attaching a negative connotation? No. Does it matter if you do? For you, yes, it makes a huge difference. Am I attaching a negative connoation? NO. Are you?

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Ω (@wabasabi)2 years, 9 months ago ago

If High Existence had an alignment chart Manimal would be True Neutral.

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Ω (@wabasabi)2 years, 9 months ago ago

If High Existence had an alignment chart Manimal would be True Neutral.

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Zane (@zanegief)2 years, 9 months ago ago

” as an ‘escape’ from the perceived unpleasant or banal aspects of daily life. ”

Firstly, don’t you believe this understanding of escape is much too subjective to be used? According to this terminology it wouldn’t be too hard to brand just about any activity as escapism. We need to take a better look at how smoking weed is affecting people individually to determine whether it is escapism or not. I cannot understand your conclusive statement of something always being escaped, this is not always the case. On top of it, you are assuming that smoking weed is always either an entertaining or recreational form of mental diversion. This is not always the case either. Maybe if some new terminology like ‘Enhancism’ would be introduced I’d have an easier way of accepting it. Just kidding, I still wouldn’t.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, would you consider the pursuit of knowledge escapism? Not being content with your current holdings of information and making conscious effort to obtain more, in order to subjectively enhance your experience. Is that escapism

How about getting out of bed in the morning? not being perfectly happy lying there… forever. is that escapism

By labeling we’re already wrong and you know this. but I feel like you’re more wrong than usual on this one

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@Zane Well almost any activity is escapism for most people.

@devon If you aren’t ok with your current knowledge and crave more think it would somehow make life better, then damn right that’s escapism. The same goes for getting out of bed.

Am I really “more wrong than usual” or is this just a more touchy subject for you than usual?

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, it kinda looks like you skewed the pretenses of my question. What if you ARE ok with your current knowledge and don’t “crave” more; you simply logically come to the conclusion that by exerting conscious effort(either internally or externally) in the present, you can effect the “present” situation that you will soon be having in a beneficial way. If you live in the present you are at one with change. Using our ability to affect change doesn’t mean that we don’t accept the present.
You seem a little resilient to acknowledging the existence of different subjective experience regarding this particular method of chemical mindstate manipulation, that’s a mouthful.

Yes, I said we’re wrong because we can never be completely right in labeling anything. And I said I think you’re more wrong than usual because that’s my opinion based on the discrepancy between our choice of labels for this particular scenario.

and me touchy…no, I yam what I yam

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@devon We’re not getting anywhere by continuing this, we’re only repeating what we’ve already said.

I stand by my statement, if you use something to somehow make something artificially “better,” that’s escapism.

Yes, labels are never the truth, they’re signposts. And quoting Popeye is cool.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 9 months ago ago

alright.

but if we were going to continue this I’d probably have a go at what you consider “artificial”

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Daniel (@reklaw)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Well, I thought I was being clearer with what I was trying to say to you by using those words, so sorry if that watered it down for you. I’m not really sure how to respond to you other than I can respect your opinion of not doing it because it’s not necessary. You’re just arguing it from a strange angle, so I was trying to understand where you were coming from.

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Travis (@higt)2 years, 7 months ago ago

people ask questions about the good and bad of it, mostly good. goody two shoe people will always say its bad. yes, there is good and bad in my opinion. the bad is that it can drain your wallet and can take a toll on your health just the same as tobacco and alcohol. the good is that it alter your state of conscience, taking you for a ride to a world that is off the charts in your mind. look, its been around frar longer than i have. look at willie nelson. he is like 200 years old, and he is healthy like a clean teenager. people are putting the stuff down only because it is suppose to be illegal. the other bad part about it is that it is dangerous to obtain from dealers, not to mention cultivating it as the risk of getting caught.weed is just another controlled substance next to to alcohol and tobacco that will all together that with affect your health if you consume too much. just do yourselves a favor…if you decide to do weed, don’t go any further than that. i rather see people hooked on weed that crack, mushrooms, meth, etc.its been close to five years since i had weed, and i can see myself doing it again and wouldnt dare do any further than that.

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Daniel (@qwuakeup)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I think weed is good to help you open your mind, but don’t abuse it.

Maybe escaping this reality sometimes isn’t that bad of a thing.

I see it as just gaining a new experience, a new perspective, instead of ‘running away of the pain of human existence.’

It calms your mind and allow you to be more open.

Edit: Many of my friends who started smoking weed all of a sudden have an interest in astronomy and exploration of space (Thought I’d leave this here)

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I hate weed. I’m too fucking versatile and curious on my own.

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Nick (@nickc2007)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I smoke much more weed than I probably ‘should’, but honestly, it’s really not having a negative effect. I know a couple of guys who are high all day, and just play video games in silence, no plans of ever getting a job or doing anything creative, but that doesn’t apply to me. If I’m working on a song, and I hit a wall, tends to be the way that when I lie down on my bed listening to what I’ve done so far on loop with a doobie, half way through it I’ll know exactly what to add next. I also find I get REALLY engrossed in a book if I’m a bit blazed, and it’s a real nice way to unwind after a long day. It’s definitely expensive, but for me the positive outweighs the negative.

Weed has only been illegal for less than a century. How long have humans been smoking it?

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 6 months ago ago

http://valetudocafe.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/125-year-old-woman-claimed-smoking-pot-everyday-was-her-secret-to-long-life/

just wanted to share this with y’all.
it tells about the oldest woman in the world who smoked pot daily and lived to be 125!

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 6 months ago ago

Weed is a form of escapism in the same way as meditation is a form of escapism.

In this sense, we’re all a bunch of pussies trying to hide from life.

Let’s hold hands and reassure one another *cuddles*.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 6 months ago ago

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3787078/How-to-live-to-100-by-worlds-oldest-people.html

A list of people claiming how drink, sex, smoking nicotine, eating cakes etc etc all helped them live to an average of 115 years old.

Attitude has more to do with life expectancy than what you put in your body.

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