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Krish Jagirdar (@koin3190)    4 months, 3 weeks ago

Different walks of life, philosophical views, theories, all hold it in a different light.

Does enlightenment really exist?

How does one become enlightened?

Have you ever met some one who is enlightened?

Do you think you are enlightened? If so, why?

If you want to know more about enlightenment before you answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(spiritual)

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Duke Mabirou (@dozmaster)3 years ago ago

X_X This question is broad and I’m promising myself to answer it fully when I have like, an entire hour free.

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mario (@mario82)3 years ago ago

we all are seeking, but cannot grasp fully

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Does enlightenment really exist? Yes but I feel like it comes from a lot of ignorance not saying that its a bad thing to be ignorant in some situations but if you are to become enlightened you must give up your whole life and all objects of pleasure.

How does one become enlightened? Completely detach yourself from material objects and possessions, learn to meditate so efficiently that you are able to basically meditate during your whole day. Completely detach yourself from society in order to be enlightened this is crucial. Be able to understand how small you really are compared to the universe.

Have you ever met some one who is enlightened? No I really don’t think it is possible

Do you think you are enlightened? If so, why? Hell no to be enlightened you must give up all pleasure in my opinion so I would never want to be. The ability to know that we have no purpose in life and that were here only as coincidence and this is all we will ever have once we die we are done and never will exist again. This is not a happy way of living life in my opinion, I love life and want to be happy not enlightened.

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Stephen (@stepvhen)3 years ago ago

Oh it exists alright. You’re talking to one Derrick.

It’s not the big deal it’s made out to be.

http://www.ruthlesstruth.com

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Jack Hectic (@jackhectic)3 years ago ago

today i find myself channeling robert anton wilson, my thinker says

and my prover has proven it by finding a correlation between the buddhist 8 fold path and r.a.w.’s 8 circuit model of human conciousness.

perhaps enlightenment is recognizing how biased your own nervous system is.

but heres my channeling!

the physical constants and their exquisitely precise numbers are a product only of our mental models of the world, our equations, our instruments, and our invented units that we make comparisons to. the planck length is the square root of ({plancks constant times the gravitation constant} divided by {the speed of light in a vacuum cubed}). this works out to be about .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000016163 times what the predicted distance from our planet’s equator to the north pole is. that prediction, which is only as accurate as you think it is, lead to the meter, which is 1/10,000,000th that prediction.

the meter, that first, beautiful, sexy distance is the distance we will compare all our future distances to in life; and it also was supposed to be measured as the length a clock (another instrument) pendulum has to be to swing for one second from one end of its reach to the other. but seconds were invented by babylonian astrologers and sumerian numerologers and other such con artists commonly known as priests at the time, as a means for measuring the day based on recursions of 6. but the human organism actually measures time in around about 90 minute segments of the day. we should be dividing our day up into 16 units (but recursions of 4 probably pass just as slowly at work).

as far as distances, i think inches and feet were cool only due to the hilarity of the idea that king henry the first had feet one foot long each and thumb digits only an inch long (insert confusing penis jokes here). unfortunately i have recently been enlightened to the fact that it could be possible that the sumerians invented them too, based on 6 again (in 12 inches to 3 feet to a yard – 36 inches, 360 degrees (also a sumerian thing) in a circle, 6×6=36). we call sumer the cradle of civilization, i wonder if in parallel universes, they come to visit us with their vastly superior knowledge and power because their human lineage never had a sumer, and they say it was actually the cradle of stupidity. we will never know what history would be like without sumer, or if the muslim empire never stopped expanding, or if hitler never got defeated, or if george bush and scott walker never got elected. we will never know what evolution would be like if we never hopped down from the trees, or if our *actual* aquatic ancestor apes never went for their first swim during the forest fires in that drying african rainforest, or if our cosmic alien supermen never put human people on earth to govern and teach how homosexuality is a sin to the bonobos (mormons, you right all along!). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYEtttwU18&feature=related

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Jack Hectic (@jackhectic)3 years ago ago

whatever the thinker thinks, the prover proves.

Orr’s law of human bias (which is a model of the human mind, or of modeling how it could be considered to be two minds, to show the bias of the human mind. keep in mind Orr certainly had at least one mind.)

also illustrated by the sufi story? or zen koan?, who is the great magician who makes the grass green? well that magician is of course you, your nervous system. the grass is green because you see it with your eyes and nerves and brain and the human DNA that held the original programming to make those. dogs see grass differently, squirrels see grass differently, cats do, seals do, dolphins do, iguanas do, bees do, every organism on this earth that has sensory organs perceives an entirely different world than its brothers and sisters, in its own species and outside of it.

the greenness of the grass is the yoga (comes from to yoke, to hitch together, or to unify, in hindu) the union of your mind and the observation of the color of the grass. but our phrase, the greenness of the grass, is not what you see, and does not describe how you see. those are the graphical and vocal representations of abstract cultural, linguistic, social, and mental concepts that you have been educated and conditioned -

by an outgrowth of the victorian english empire culture if you are “lucky”, of by more creative and ingenius ways if you are not, though in more squalid conditions. sorry world :(

- to correlate in your mind with the experiance of shutting off the left brain and watching the grass in the sun, with your eyes and not your mind, forgetting the words that correspond to that quality images seem to have. get into the 5th circuit on a summer day look at the grass.

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Jack Hectic (@jackhectic)3 years ago ago

the tragedy is the people who dont get the education at all. none of those minds are here to talk with us. reading seems to be a prerequisite for internet…

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Julian22 (@sanatan)3 years ago ago

For me, what Eckhart Tolle has achieved is enlightenment. In his books “The Power of Now” and “A New Earth” you can find out what I mean. These are two of the best books on spiritual growth I have ever read.

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Nemo (@nemo)3 years ago ago

How I LOVE this website!

Does enlightenment really exist?

I believe and feel that it most certainly does. I think our Soul’s are on a journey of learning, creating and experiencing all that we need to know, in every life we live (I also believe in reincarnation). Once we have lived every experience and we learn to listen to our souls, follow our hearts and silence our mind, we enter enlightenment. I also believe it isn’t easy, but very doable and it can take a long time for some, a shorter time for others, but it’s available for every single one of us on this planet and other worlds.

How does one become enlightened?

Hmm I think through meditation, lifestyle changes and choices- the practice of Vipassana meditation, it’s teachings really help understand this process. Vipassana is the meditation practise the Buddha taught and which he used to attain enlightenment. It talks of getting to the very root of your issues and uprooting each one (called a Sankara) while teaching you to not add more to your being. Once you have liberated yourself from these “Sankara’s” and you are living your truth not just preaching it, you will attain Enlightenment. I think there are other ways to also attain it but I follow this practise so for the time being, it’s all I know :o)

Have you ever met some one who is enlightened?

No I haven’t, not yet…although I have been in the presence of those who I think are Liberated. Liberation I think comes before Enlightenment.

Do you think you are enlightened? If so, why?

hehe no, far from it…I still have my vices which I am working on and have a long way to go, BUT I think I am closer to it now then I ever have been in my past lives. Woop!

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Chelsea (@cambria)3 years ago ago

Does enlightenment really exist?
I like to think it does but who really knows until you get there(its like heaven you have to have faith)
How does one become enlightened?
I want to become enlightened and im working towards it, i don’t think its something that can happen over night because the way i have always lived my life, i believe that i am on the path because i want to be. Enlightenment is about understanding. (ones self and the world)
i feel like learning has helped me become more enlightened, learning about other beliefs because i wasn’t brought up practicing religion. learning about my self and trying to change what i dont like ( like being selfish, or needing things i dont really need, or having a high ego)
I haven’t found a conformed religion that i can truly believe in and i dont think i wiil, but i dont think you need religion to become enlightened, its about understanding the world and asking questions for me, asking all of the “what if’s”.

Have you ever met some one who is enlightened?
nope, but i haven’t met a lot of people who really think for themselves and ask the what if’s (question new ways of thinking) i think we all get to caught up in our selfs and the bubbles around us..
Do you think you are enlightened? If so, why?
no not yet, i will one day (i hope hah) reading and learning is helping me..
i feel like learning about the universe, the world, cultures, astrology, astronomy, and nature has helped me on my path:)

@derrick
i feel you, thats what i though before i opened my eyes and started to question everything around me.. i think the media and life has taught us those things..
all i can say is i believe in it because i am living it, i dont think its about meditating every second of the day or giving up everything in your life, i feel like thats a bit ex stream (or something monks do to become better at it, to get rid of any temptations, its called dedication) but would get you there faster in my opinion
but from what i have gotten from it is..
finding out what i dont like in others and being aware of how others perceive me, i have changed soo much but all for the better in my eyes, mediation for me is a way to get the world out of my mind to stop thinking about all the things that in the end when im dieing im not going to be worried about anyways, for me its about living my life in a way that when im old and dying im not going to look back and say i wish i did “this”…
but i feel like becoming enlightened isn’t about giving up everything, its about realizing nothing is ever truly yours because when you die it stays.

I believe if one want to become enlightened, one needs to find out why they want to be, be ready because its kinda overwhelming at times, keep an open mind about life and everything you’ve ever been taught, i believe that were all connected to the earth and need to reconnect..(its like your phone you have to charge it once and a while..earth is our outlet :)
oh and i didn’t start to open my eyes to the beauty and sadness in the world, until i broke free of my comfort level and moved away from my family and friends who influenced me way to much..

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Chelsea (@cambria)3 years ago ago

@nemo
i completely agree with you! its so nice to have others who think and believe things that you do ha…
i love that fact that you said you have to get to the root of your issues, thats something i learned last night haha..
i came to the conclusion that i help my self by helping others…and that i would rather help others before helping my self, i learned that i need to deal with the problems that over the years i have brushed under the rug…(like talking about my feelings about my parents and a divorce i blocked out) so i think its really cool that you said Once you have liberated yourself from these “Sankara’s” and you are living your truth not just preaching it, you will attain Enlightenment..because thats what i have been doing preaching it and trying to obtain it before ive been all the way liberated..
very nice word of advice:)

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Kayne Wong (@kayne)3 years ago ago

I think enlightenment exists as a concept. Do I think there is a person who is actually ‘enlightened’? Not particularly. People by definition are always going to be corrupted by their surroundings. The world is a trick you see. Friends, family, health, war, love, hatred, violence, sex, etc. These things, good and bad alike, are distractions. Interaction vs. observation. But at the same time I think enlightenment is a dream that is altogether lofty, endearing, overrated and morally oblique. The pursuit of knowledge and true understanding of the universe from a philosophical point of view to the degree of ‘enlightenment’ seems to me to be a wholly self centered endeavor. Not to say that it is not the right fit for some, or that the degree of detachment required is morally wrong (and yes, I understand the world is not completely black and white).

Just that such a pursuit does not suit myself, and I can’t see how it would really suit anyone. Mind you, that is simply because I am yet to meet a person who has begun such a journey personally, so I admit this standpoint is based on a degree of ignorance.

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madonna (@danfontaine)3 years ago ago

Jack you get a giant WHAT?

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Alex (@zen1)3 years ago ago

Enlightenment is any point or moment where complete concentration on that momement has yielded oneness with the Universe; the universe is as much a part of us as we are a part of it, and when we reach the revelation that the universe understands we realize this, we are enlightened. I have reached enlightenment several times throughout my life, from anything such as simply watching the ocean, to coincidence, to studying star formation and physics. Everything is interrelated, and when I have an epiphany, I usually feel the energy of everything around me from a rock to the air, from a tree to another human being, radiating throughout my soul. If you are seeking enlightenment, I find a background in science helps, as it is easier to realize that everything in the universe is made of the same things, mainly energy; when you can feel this energy from something you previously have not, you have become enlightened, even if only for that one split second.

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Chelsea (@cambria)3 years ago ago

@kayne
I think your right about the fact of a self centered endeavor and that it is a concept…but thats if you do it for the wrong reasons i think anyways, i feel like enlightenment is different for everyone. my enlightenment most likely isn’t going to be the same as yours…but i feel like in a sense you kinda of our because you can recognize that people are corrupted by their surroundings (most people dont even realize that so to someone who doesnt think like you, you maybe enlightened in their eyes) to be honest with you i think to become enlightened is a concept, but i dont think its one you cant reach. everything we believe to be real is a concept until you can prove it..for me enlightened isnt about knowing everything in the universe because i dont think i would want to know that or could hha..but its about becoming aware of the universe(the world) and things around me and working through the problems to give me a peace of mind ( because i think the world is pretty f’ed up)
in my eyes its like religion with out so much of you have to do this or that to become a good person to get into heaven..because this to me is heaven (because again heaven is a concept)

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Kayne Wong (@kayne)3 years ago ago

@Chelsea

I think we see pretty eye to eye on this actually, with some very minor differences. Enlightenment however to me I suppose remains strictly unattainable because it is not a thing one can possess. It’s a fully life changing and self changing thing. It is unlikely that such a cosmic sort of awareness would leave you anything remotely resembling a functional human being from the concepts of any sociological standard.

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Jack Hectic (@jackhectic)3 years ago ago

think i left some people in the dark a few posts back. sorry, some substances seem to act as verbal ipecac for me.

enlightenment exists, i hope ;) or im working toward nothing. but scientifically, i would accept it as a delusion… probably after a few lifetimes though. also gotta hope reincarnation is real as well, but i wouldnt be surprised if not…

How does one become enlightened?

go find out. :)

my theory is that wherever you start, wherever you ever are really, is a new starting point potentially. the paths that exist go quite literally into all directions. and one of the many distant stars in sight could be the enlightenment you’re looking for.

so go find out. :)

Have you ever met some one who is enlightened?

i’m fairly certain i’ve met people more enlightened than i! in fact i would probably bet my genital organs on it (but what do i get if i’m right?). the problem with being completely certain though is most of time you and i perceive the people around us as less intelligent than us or on par with us;
in the western worldview it seems very common to be blind to those who’s happiness might undermine our western worldview. that grinning guru is only grinning because he’s completely and utterly mad, i am sure of it. he couldnt possibly be seeing the same world i see and be cheerful about it. he has to be insane, not enlightened.

anyway, i was going somewhere with this… robert anton wilson was a quite enlightened man. or he was completely insane. look him up and take your pick!

Do you think you are enlightened? If so, why?

no.

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Johannes Davidsson (@daokedao)1 year, 11 months ago ago

Enlightenment to me is to understand that there is choice in some way. My emotional responses to the world are something that I have chosen myself.
But after that realization there is nothing more…….

Before enlightenment, carry water and chop wood. After enlightenment, carry water and chop wood.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@stepvhen, AWESOME!!!…sincerely, i am almost through the “£1000 Well Spent” post and it really really helps…thank you.

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Knowing some important shit you didn’t used to.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 11 months ago ago

To enlighten yourself. It means to pour a gasoline tank on you and light yourself on fire.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 11 months ago ago

“When one speaks of awakening it means de-hypnotization, coming to your senses; but of course to do that you have to go out of your mind *laughter* ”
Alan Watts, “Out of your mind disc series, The nature of Consciousness”

What i understand by that is that enlightenment occurs when the symbolic, illusory you has stopped playing with symbols and its projection has ceased so that the senses are not disrupted, sensing clearly and outwardly, out of your mind no correlation, the senses flowing as directly one with reality…and that is saying far too much

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mamadragon (@mamadragon)1 year, 11 months ago ago

no sasho it does not mean that. you joker!
actually enlightenment means to be FREE
to be really the person that you are inside, your real self. it is that easy. so simple
instead we have such complicated trappings .

i have been very lucky in my life to have been with an authentic enlightened master.
but then i lived 16 years in the himalayas.

you can see his picture on google. i dont know how to put this image here foryou.
so just type in Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche and you can see him
he was like the sun and the moon, like a mountain.
i promise you he was enlightened.!!!

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mamadragon (@mamadragon)1 year, 11 months ago ago

sorry phil w. you are rite, i should say what it means to me.
well to me enlightenement means to let go of my own bullshit.
all of my stories. all of my judgements about myself and others. and like seeker explained just to be one with the sense offerings all around us.
it is very simple and for me the word FREE is in there.
it is very hard to explain.
thanks for asking me to be more specific on this
i also wish for all others to be free as well. this is part of the feeling.

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mamadragon (@mamadragon)1 year, 11 months ago ago

@zen1, that was a good how you put that. to be one with the energy of everything. i like you r scientific viewpoint. it comes together with the spiritual one!

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