What is going on with the U.S?
inspired by "what is going on with China."
Oh and don’t forget about SOPA
"When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn’t do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."
These are the voices our lawmakers listen to. If we’re going to win, we need to drown them out before TOMORROW’s committee vote on SOPA.
my buddy told me a quote he heard the other day about our government. “we live in a fish bowl. we can see out, but we cant see back in.”
Money has corrupted the political structure whereas large corporations own our government. Corporations can throw an unlimited amount of money to political campaigns advocating their cause…and politicians are frauds. They willing accept the largest bidder…because why not..corporations will just find someone else to give their millions to.
We need to invest in education, not lay off teachers. We need to invest in green energy because that is the future. Even if we have oil in the states…the amount of demand that will increase in the years ahead is extraordinarily large that will surely outstrip the supply.
We need to get our finances in order and not have a military base in over 150 countries. We need to stop lending to other countries…China owns our debt. We need get money and corporate influence out of politics…and force Congress to abide by the same rules as their fellow citizens.
wow corporations are made up of people too. what do you know, people influencing government like it always has been
Yes corporations are made up of people that work for it. Corporations are not people. Right now the law says they are people and should have the same rights as individuals..which I think is total crap.
the U.S. is declining from its post-colonial hegemonic status as the authority behind the global numeraire, which was gold until President Nixon decided to jump into that river of sh*t and decide that the American military was good enough to go beat the piss out of anyone who said that the dollar wasn’t accepted there… the rest of the world is realizing that they can now also do what the U.S. does in terms of industry.. they too, in fact, can create an enormous industrial infrastructure and not surprisingly supply cheap manpower (china) to drive the economy.. as the world becomes increasingly interconnected, the United States’ influence will continue to decline.. it is noteworthy to do further research on the rejection of genetically modified organisms (GMO’S) in the form of food aid by developing “third world” countries.. hows that for a slap on the toosh
Congress has really been batshit insane lately. It’s like they don’t even care about anything at all, like they’ve already given up trying to actually do something good. Occupy is telling them basically, “hey assholes, we have problems that we gave you the power to fix by voting for you cause you said you’re there to help, they didn’t fix themselves and they didn’t go away, so what’s the deal?” All I’ve seen them do is voting to increase their own pay and thinking of new ways to put people in jail (SOPA and this new bullshit about detaining American citizens indefinitely). The thing that really kills me is that way back in school we learned about how America is unique and different because we have rights the rest of the world doesn’t and how it’s supposed to be so much better over here than in dictator states, only to adopt their exact same policies without any shame at all.
I’m a bit worried about the national debt ceiling. No one is bringing that debt down so the new ceiling will be reached again, soon enough. They will probably just raise it again, and again, but for how long?
so do we just sit idly by and let our country fuck itself into ruin?
I’m not sitting idly by, are you?
Economies, have reset buttons, no? Damn. Billions of people in (a manufactured) debt are suddenly on even ground again? Obnoxiously wealthy folk suddenly have lost their servants and buying power? Such a shame…
Look at it this way. Money stopped being money in 1913. It was a clever switcheroo, like Indiana Jones replacing a golden figurine with a bag o’ sand… The Jekyll island inbred descendents and friends of the original robber barons created the Federal reserve. Sixteen years later, the great depression happened. Farmers suddenly became the wealthiest, because they had all the food, except this time, the government owns all the farms, and all the food is poisonous. History has repeated itself here in basically the same manner. Idiots kept respecting “US” currency because the US still had a ton of gold until Nixon came in and finished the job… It’s really sad that we needed a war effort to defibrilate the economic arrest, because the only country to benefit was the United States, The war never touched US soil. Every other country involved was devastated. Instead of being responsible with this new position as the front-runners, America’s government became corrupt, and they have little to no gold. The future is about bringing people together and get this country living again, not through military industrial prowess, but through technology and environmental restoration. Nobody is going to “give” people jobs anymore (as if it were some sort of privilege). People will shape their own. The Native Americans were always right, and those who refuse to learn new ways, abandon their obsolete hatreds, or create a living living space deserve to die in my opinion. We are living through a beautiful (albeit tumultuous and interesting) time in human history. Let’s get busy living or get busy dying. Do not be afraid.
@James what do you think we should do? I am never a person who says “It is what it is.” I am all for protesting or petitioning. No politician is talking about the real issues so voting is honestly bullshit. I think we are at the beginning of a very interesting story. I don’t see how America could EVER pay their debt back.
You all should know though that the majority of America’s debt is owed to it’s own people. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/
Do you guys think China is our friend or enemy? I always wonder this when I think of why they haven’t demanded their money yet. If you loan your friend some money and they can’t pay it back then you can strike a deal. If you loan someone you don’t like money and they can’t pay it back…
I am so glad this discussion thread got brought up. I am still in the process of educating myself more thoroughly about the issues, so I can’t add any good commentary just yet. It is for sure though that something needs to be done.
2 things will help you not give a shit (which is my advise):
1. Detach yourself and **** hope (George Carlin Describes it perfectly here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4W9Cs6KPTus)
2. Know what makes you happy. For me, as long as I can grow good food, be around good people, and continue to learn and explore creativity I’m happy. Don’t care if the world goes to hell.
People act like the US is the only fucked up place in the world. 90% of everywhere is fucked up. We just have more money. More money=bigger problems. WW3 is gunna come quite soon, and then afterwards the world will start getting better. I don’t think we can stop WW3 however.
I don’t consider the idea of countries. America was there before too. We’re headed back that way as well. Humans in general are waking up, wanting basic human rights. Most people can see the way the world should be, and most see the way the world is. The reason people over here don’t seem to care as much, is because they still have A LOT more than the average person everywhere else. America hasn’t had war on its ground in a loooong time either, so its easy for people to shrug it off. I’m not saying I agree with it, but I understand why.
@matt, im not entirely sure to be honest. That’s kind of why I am here. I feel like there isn’t much I CAN do. It’s kind of like Alexa says, anytime I try to spread the word that we’re about to run off a cliff with all the other lemmings, they’re just like “pshhhhh no way man.”
*Edit: I just realized, I kind of answered my own question, which was “do we sit idly by and let our country fuck itself into ruin?” basically what it seems like is yes, but I don’t have to go down with it. right?
No I don’t understand this mentality that we say “fuck it”. The United States is your country and to let it slide to crooked men is the most disgraceful and disrespectful thing you can do to those who have willing stood for their beliefs and died by them.
Maybe you need more facts in your arguments. If nobody believes you that the U.S is in trouble..they are either mindless zombies…or you don’t have your numbers correct.
For starters…there are many petitions one could sign and bring more awareness to this issue. Sign it and post it to your facebook.
I will constantly work towards a better Earth, however I don’t believe in countries.
I understand your philosophical point of views…as well as the view you want a better earth..myself included. But you don’t believe in countries? What does that even mean?
Edit: I guess what i’m saying is…How is that a practical point of view in the current frame of time we are living in..when in fact there are countries.
Every government, form of commerce, way of living etc is nothing but a big experiment. Having sovereign countries test their hypothesis will lead to better change..without countries, we would be stuck in a perpetual one world experiment and would never learn what works and doesn’t work as quickly as having multiple experiments throughout the world.
@ peter, good thought. i like it.
Our Constitution and Bill of Rights gives us the right to collectively overthrow our government if at any point we feel it is unfair, unjust, or committing crimes against the people. So why aren’t we changing a government that has slowly over time been damaging to us? The occupy protestors have it right. Things are unfair and they need to change. How we go about enacting that change is up to us. What do you think the most effective way to change the corruption in this country (or even the rest of the world) would be?
An economist would tell you that you need debt to have a functioning society. A normal person tells you that debt sucks and typically leaves you in a worse place than you started.
Debt doesn’t exist. It’s a concept we created to assist in furthering our archaic monetary system. Can you touch debt with your physical body? No. It’s simply the idea used to bind other people into believing that they owe you little pieces of useless paper (that consume our resources, I might add) that we’ve attributed value to. I would prefer a bartering system over our current economic model.
As for our government…
Democracy breeds politicians, seeking power, who no longer care about fulfilling the promises they spread to achieve their office. They are more interested in expanding their own feeling of “importance” and bank accounts than working to better America. The bullshit political parties have caused stalemates in everything they’ve touched. I’ll end this paragraph with one of my favorite quotations on government, “We need less Republicans, less Democrats, and more Americans.”
After saying that, I must admit that I would prefer a Communist government – if it were possible to maintain without corrupt leaders. I personally enjoy the concept that everyone receives the same reward for the same amount of work. I consider this equal rights and footing for every citizen. Unfortunately, Communism still runs on our current monetary and social models.
With that all being said, I wish to point interested parties towards the Venus Project if you’ve not heard of it. I prefer the proposed concepts of the project over current and past government & cultural models. Resource Based Economy? Yea, I’ll take it.
*These are all simply my beliefs and I respect your right to believe otherwise.
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