What is going on with the U.S?

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James (@jameslarson13)    2 years, 8 months ago

inspired by "what is going on with China."
id like to bring the focus to my own country.
I’m deeply concerned, because I live within this system that seems to have so many problems.
national debt is ridiculous number of trillions. FUCKING TRILLIONS. I feel it doesn’t even matter how many at that point.
Discontent, shown by the Occupy movement. I feel like they have a good reason to pissed off. I feel like I should pissed off too.
How am I supposed to live with in a system that allows such corruption of fundamental rights?
I’d honestly like some one to disagree with me here and tell me that occupy wall street doesn’t know what they’re talking about and that really it isn’t so corrupt. Just because it’s so hard to believe that we could actually allow such a thing.

Oh and don’t forget about SOPA
I got this email:
Want a window into the minds of our opponents? Former Senator Chris Dodd — head of the Motion Picture Association of America — says that China censors its Internet, so we can too:

"When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn’t do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."

These are the voices our lawmakers listen to. If we’re going to win, we need to drown them out before TOMORROW’s committee vote on SOPA.

So shit.

0 votes, posted 12.15.2011 at 6:26 am
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Jon (@awesomejon)2 years, 8 months ago ago

my buddy told me a quote he heard the other day about our government. “we live in a fish bowl. we can see out, but we cant see back in.”

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

Money has corrupted the political structure whereas large corporations own our government. Corporations can throw an unlimited amount of money to political campaigns advocating their cause…and politicians are frauds. They willing accept the largest bidder…because why not..corporations will just find someone else to give their millions to.

We need to invest in education, not lay off teachers. We need to invest in green energy because that is the future. Even if we have oil in the states…the amount of demand that will increase in the years ahead is extraordinarily large that will surely outstrip the supply.

We need to get our finances in order and not have a military base in over 150 countries. We need to stop lending to other countries…China owns our debt. We need get money and corporate influence out of politics…and force Congress to abide by the same rules as their fellow citizens.

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R.V. Star (@rickvonstar)2 years, 8 months ago ago

wow corporations are made up of people too. what do you know, people influencing government like it always has been

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

@ Keenan

Yes corporations are made up of people that work for it. Corporations are not people. Right now the law says they are people and should have the same rights as individuals..which I think is total crap.

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Pura Vision (@puravision)2 years, 8 months ago ago

the U.S. is declining from its post-colonial hegemonic status as the authority behind the global numeraire, which was gold until President Nixon decided to jump into that river of sh*t and decide that the American military was good enough to go beat the piss out of anyone who said that the dollar wasn’t accepted there… the rest of the world is realizing that they can now also do what the U.S. does in terms of industry.. they too, in fact, can create an enormous industrial infrastructure and not surprisingly supply cheap manpower (china) to drive the economy.. as the world becomes increasingly interconnected, the United States’ influence will continue to decline.. it is noteworthy to do further research on the rejection of genetically modified organisms (GMO’S) in the form of food aid by developing “third world” countries.. hows that for a slap on the toosh

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)2 years, 8 months ago ago

Congress has really been batshit insane lately. It’s like they don’t even care about anything at all, like they’ve already given up trying to actually do something good. Occupy is telling them basically, “hey assholes, we have problems that we gave you the power to fix by voting for you cause you said you’re there to help, they didn’t fix themselves and they didn’t go away, so what’s the deal?” All I’ve seen them do is voting to increase their own pay and thinking of new ways to put people in jail (SOPA and this new bullshit about detaining American citizens indefinitely). The thing that really kills me is that way back in school we learned about how America is unique and different because we have rights the rest of the world doesn’t and how it’s supposed to be so much better over here than in dictator states, only to adopt their exact same policies without any shame at all.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m a bit worried about the national debt ceiling. No one is bringing that debt down so the new ceiling will be reached again, soon enough. They will probably just raise it again, and again, but for how long?
If you think about Greece nearly defaulting, they were bailed out by the rest of the Euro countries, but the world was shitting itself just from that possibility and Greece is a smaller economy. What the hell would happen if the economic super-power U.S had to default. What would that do to the world?
Well no one knows what would have happened if Greece folded, let alone the U.S. But it’s a scary thought.

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James (@jameslarson13)2 years, 8 months ago ago

so do we just sit idly by and let our country fuck itself into ruin?

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Max Moon (@maxmoon)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m not sitting idly by, are you?

Economies, have reset buttons, no? Damn. Billions of people in (a manufactured) debt are suddenly on even ground again? Obnoxiously wealthy folk suddenly have lost their servants and buying power? Such a shame…
As long as there are people who know how to do things that nobody else does, (and you don’t need an overpriced piece of toilet paper known as a degree to prove it. just the product/performance itself as proof) and somebody is willing to make an exchange for your product or service, there will always be an infrastructure for an economy.
Unfortunately, in this pill-zombified, ecosystem-raping, obese, walmart culture, fewer and fewer people actually know how to do, make, say or think anything useful. In essence, an economic collapse would fuck over bankers and consumers, not students or workers. I see a future projected in the film “idiocracy”, except hopefully nature eventually will correct this problem sort the smart from the dumb through mortality. It’s a scary thought that many of the dumb have high-powered firearms, and will listen to the chain of command to the very end. Of course congress is shitting on the bill of rights and securing their power. They are shitting themselves with fear, and it’s spreading like a virus. We the (provident, generous, good-natured, altruistic) people, will be fine. I can assure you. As we come to terms with the fact that the rights that made this country great no longer exist, so the so-called laws that come out of the bullshit factory known as congress can’t be taken seriously.

Look at it this way. Money stopped being money in 1913. It was a clever switcheroo, like Indiana Jones replacing a golden figurine with a bag o’ sand… The Jekyll island inbred descendents and friends of the original robber barons created the Federal reserve. Sixteen years later, the great depression happened. Farmers suddenly became the wealthiest, because they had all the food, except this time, the government owns all the farms, and all the food is poisonous. History has repeated itself here in basically the same manner. Idiots kept respecting “US” currency because the US still had a ton of gold until Nixon came in and finished the job… It’s really sad that we needed a war effort to defibrilate the economic arrest, because the only country to benefit was the United States, The war never touched US soil. Every other country involved was devastated. Instead of being responsible with this new position as the front-runners, America’s government became corrupt, and they have little to no gold. The future is about bringing people together and get this country living again, not through military industrial prowess, but through technology and environmental restoration. Nobody is going to “give” people jobs anymore (as if it were some sort of privilege). People will shape their own. The Native Americans were always right, and those who refuse to learn new ways, abandon their obsolete hatreds, or create a living living space deserve to die in my opinion. We are living through a beautiful (albeit tumultuous and interesting) time in human history. Let’s get busy living or get busy dying. Do not be afraid.

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Matt (@greenthinker)2 years, 8 months ago ago

@James what do you think we should do? I am never a person who says “It is what it is.” I am all for protesting or petitioning. No politician is talking about the real issues so voting is honestly bullshit. I think we are at the beginning of a very interesting story. I don’t see how America could EVER pay their debt back.

You all should know though that the majority of America’s debt is owed to it’s own people. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/

Do you guys think China is our friend or enemy? I always wonder this when I think of why they haven’t demanded their money yet. If you loan your friend some money and they can’t pay it back then you can strike a deal. If you loan someone you don’t like money and they can’t pay it back…

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Amber Hoeffer (@ambernichole)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I am so glad this discussion thread got brought up. I am still in the process of educating myself more thoroughly about the issues, so I can’t add any good commentary just yet. It is for sure though that something needs to be done.

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TheSamEffect (@samthegladiator)2 years, 8 months ago ago

2 things will help you not give a shit (which is my advise):

1. Detach yourself and **** hope (George Carlin Describes it perfectly here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4W9Cs6KPTus)

2. Know what makes you happy. For me, as long as I can grow good food, be around good people, and continue to learn and explore creativity I’m happy. Don’t care if the world goes to hell.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 8 months ago ago

People act like the US is the only fucked up place in the world. 90% of everywhere is fucked up. We just have more money. More money=bigger problems. WW3 is gunna come quite soon, and then afterwards the world will start getting better. I don’t think we can stop WW3 however.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t consider the idea of countries. America was there before too. We’re headed back that way as well. Humans in general are waking up, wanting basic human rights. Most people can see the way the world should be, and most see the way the world is. The reason people over here don’t seem to care as much, is because they still have A LOT more than the average person everywhere else. America hasn’t had war on its ground in a loooong time either, so its easy for people to shrug it off. I’m not saying I agree with it, but I understand why.
You can’t always move other people though, you can’t make other people see your POV, unless you are in the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy. :D but anyways, the best thing anyone can do is to work on their own shit.

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James (@jameslarson13)2 years, 8 months ago ago

@matt, im not entirely sure to be honest. That’s kind of why I am here. I feel like there isn’t much I CAN do. It’s kind of like Alexa says, anytime I try to spread the word that we’re about to run off a cliff with all the other lemmings, they’re just like “pshhhhh no way man.”
I think Alexa says it well again, when she says that we can watch. That really is it. SamEffect says something similar, in that we can detach ourselves.
We must break away from the heard heading toward the cliff and simply observe as the rest of them follow their leaders to their demise. Only once they take that final step off of solid grown, and begin to fall, will they become aware. Then is the time when change will be made. It might be violent, it might peaceful, I don’t know. But be prepared for it.

*Edit: I just realized, I kind of answered my own question, which was “do we sit idly by and let our country fuck itself into ruin?” basically what it seems like is yes, but I don’t have to go down with it. right?

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

No I don’t understand this mentality that we say “fuck it”. The United States is your country and to let it slide to crooked men is the most disgraceful and disrespectful thing you can do to those who have willing stood for their beliefs and died by them.

Maybe you need more facts in your arguments. If nobody believes you that the U.S is in trouble..they are either mindless zombies…or you don’t have your numbers correct.

For starters…there are many petitions one could sign and bring more awareness to this issue. Sign it and post it to your facebook.

“https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/veto-national-defense-authorization-act-2012-several-provisions-bill-pose-threat-civil-liberties/GLfhBn6D?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl”

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I will constantly work towards a better Earth, however I don’t believe in countries.

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

@ Alex

I understand your philosophical point of views…as well as the view you want a better earth..myself included. But you don’t believe in countries? What does that even mean?

Edit: I guess what i’m saying is…How is that a practical point of view in the current frame of time we are living in..when in fact there are countries.

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

Every government, form of commerce, way of living etc is nothing but a big experiment. Having sovereign countries test their hypothesis will lead to better change..without countries, we would be stuck in a perpetual one world experiment and would never learn what works and doesn’t work as quickly as having multiple experiments throughout the world.

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James (@jameslarson13)2 years, 8 months ago ago

@ peter, good thought. i like it.

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Megan Wilson (@poefan2490)2 years, 8 months ago ago

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights gives us the right to collectively overthrow our government if at any point we feel it is unfair, unjust, or committing crimes against the people. So why aren’t we changing a government that has slowly over time been damaging to us? The occupy protestors have it right. Things are unfair and they need to change. How we go about enacting that change is up to us. What do you think the most effective way to change the corruption in this country (or even the rest of the world) would be?

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzR3UAyXao

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Megan Wilson (@poefan2490)2 years, 8 months ago ago

An economist would tell you that you need debt to have a functioning society. A normal person tells you that debt sucks and typically leaves you in a worse place than you started.

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Shawn (@teck)2 years, 8 months ago ago

Debt doesn’t exist. It’s a concept we created to assist in furthering our archaic monetary system. Can you touch debt with your physical body? No. It’s simply the idea used to bind other people into believing that they owe you little pieces of useless paper (that consume our resources, I might add) that we’ve attributed value to. I would prefer a bartering system over our current economic model.

As for our government…
Capitalism breeds greed, though that’s also an issue with our monetary system. People will murder other people simply to line their pockets with green. Greed has overpowered human compassion and the desire for our race & society to advance or evolve. If selfishness is the Human future, I desire no part in it.

Democracy breeds politicians, seeking power, who no longer care about fulfilling the promises they spread to achieve their office. They are more interested in expanding their own feeling of “importance” and bank accounts than working to better America. The bullshit political parties have caused stalemates in everything they’ve touched. I’ll end this paragraph with one of my favorite quotations on government, “We need less Republicans, less Democrats, and more Americans.”

After saying that, I must admit that I would prefer a Communist government – if it were possible to maintain without corrupt leaders. I personally enjoy the concept that everyone receives the same reward for the same amount of work. I consider this equal rights and footing for every citizen. Unfortunately, Communism still runs on our current monetary and social models.

With that all being said, I wish to point interested parties towards the Venus Project if you’ve not heard of it. I prefer the proposed concepts of the project over current and past government & cultural models. Resource Based Economy? Yea, I’ll take it.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

*These are all simply my beliefs and I respect your right to believe otherwise.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 8 months ago ago

A lot of talk about the world, is that perhaps the problem with US, that there are domestic issues but for some reason the side track leads back to the global stage. I mean I get it, US is the most influential entity on the the world scene. Just sayn.

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