What is your perspective on the dream world?
stonedragon, I am no expert on the Dreamtime, I know what it means to me and it is the very reason I have chosen to be a writer. If you think about the material world, it is made of energy, matter and light but what is a dream made of? Can you tie it down to matter? As in the function of the brain? Can you tie it down to energy? As in neuro functions of the brain? Is it light ricochetting around our memories and imaging processes? Is it all of the above or none of the above or a combo?
I’ve read numerous theories and read many research articles on dreams and what they represent because for as long as I can recall, I’ve dreamed both vividly and lucidly. Regardless of all of this effort I’ve put in to try and understand the mystery of the dream world, I still can not base a solid personalize opinion on what they represent.
With that being said, I’m curious to know what your perception of dreams is? Do you find that they are subconscious messages regarding your current reality? Is the dream world a separate realm from the reality we thrive in day to day? Is it another dimension of this reality? A fantasy world? The mind’s playground? What do you think. Share some dreams if you care to.
Physically: It’s the central nervous system’s reaction to melatonin and dmt, two chemicals that are known to cause hallucinations and which are released at night.
Mentally: Subconscious thoughts rendered as sensory input form dream worlds which we observe and experience with our ever-waking awareness.
Spiritually: It’s the separation from our animal bodies, a step into a previous stage of existence. This is my theory.
Dreams are the product of the associations your subconscious mind tends to make. Since there is (usually) no consciousness interfering, the thoughts experienced are simply the ones most probable to happen. This leads to very relevant dream constructions pertaining to the specific problems of an individual’s psyche. This characteristic of dreams makes them invaluable for uncovering imbalances of the mind as a whole that your conscious mind simply won’t acknowledge because it would be harmful to the ego (self-image) or they are unrelated to immediate survival.
wow intense theory there manimal. i cant say i understand it. i dont understand any thing about dreams, im sorry tamara, but i am a big dreamer and it interests me incredibly. i have been writing my dreams down in books for years now and sometimes i have the same dream scenes, but the plot is different. these places are not where i live. i take a bus 23 under a freeway underpass. how are we to understand this. is this sensory imput of chemicals in my sleeping brain. who knows. or am i time travelling. or is it a parrelle life.
I think dreaming is just a more primitive way of thinking. During your waking life (amazing movie) you have thoughts every second, but these are presented to you in the shape of words, ie, “I need to go to the grocery store”. However when we dream, I believe we go to a very primitive and pure way of thinking, one before language or “words” were created. So instead of this thought passing through your head as “I need to go to the grocery store”, you’ll literally see yourself going to the grocery store. Then when a gargoyle jumps from an aisle of the grocery store, it’s because that’s a new thought entering your head… about gargoyles. And as you continues to think of new thoughts there’ll be a constant flow of images. However if you were awake it would be a constant flow of words in your head.
So I’m not saying we are thinking pure and primitive thoughts, instead, we are thinking in a pure in primitive way: Imagery, before language was created.
that is a good point there spiralout.
@SpiralOut That makes a lot of sense. Thinking by sensory input rather than words, kind of like visualization and such.
I think it was Alex who was saying how everything we see is actually the past because the light reflecting off a surface does not reach us instantly but is delayed by the speed of light. If you think about a dream, we see things but it is not light reflecting off an object like we see when we are awake. So reality we see is the past but a dream is more the present than than that reality because it (the dream) is not delayed by the speed of light. (just thought it was an interesting point to make)
@stonedragon: That’s a quite interesting way to think. Do you remember stuff easily? Because I’ve read that connecting images in your brain is much more powerful than just learning words by repeating them over and over, because the brain naturally thinks in connections/images. (This would support SpiralOut’s theory)
@Ray Butler: If you want to argument with the speed of light, then you also have to consider the speed of electrical signals in the brain, which is, by the way, equal to the speed of light. Of course that’s only correct if we assume that the dream is (completely) made by the brain. (There might be “dimensions” we don’t know yet)
My perspective towards dreams is like SpiralOut said, but that’s only because I just read that and I didn’t have any good idea before.
@christian. ya i can remember stuff that i have seen or felt fairly easily but i forget names of things. peoples names. especially french ones baffle the hell out of me. christine and katherine i always mix those two names up! it is the number thing tho that is the worse for me.
@stonedragon That’s weird I think the same way as you described and remember almost everything but I forget people’s names the second the tell me haha.
animus do you see colors when you hear numbers and words dont look like words but images and like if i say banana to you right now you see a banana. i mean who doesnt. everyone must think like this, isnt it???
banana. what color is number three????
Hmm your mode of thinking sounds more like synesthesia. Whenever I hear numbers or words I see images and with them there are also structured diagrams the connect ideas(in visual images) and such. It’s really hard for me to translate my thoughts into words because everything is visual. When I think of number 3, I do see it in green though, maybe it’s just a mild form of synesthesia.
animus that is why you are so philosophic and smart, to see the diagrams is really a gift. i saw that on a program about geniuses, i think they were autistic tho. im not saying you are. but one guy could do amazing hard calculations in math by seeing the numbers in realtions to each other in diagrams. perhaps you have that.! i think i have that synesthesia, i heard about it but couldnt remember what it was called.
Christian, yeah I took that into account which is why I said dreams are MORE the present than awake reality. But if the place in the brain that dreams are created is the same place we process visual stimuli then no it is not limited by the speed of light because it does not have to go anywhere for us to see it.
Nothing really changes when we fall asleep, other than our human consciousness and mind being separated from our lower consciousness and mind.
This dream stuff is constantly going on, but we’re not aware of it because we are focusing too much on the material world. All these distractions and illusions that are really nothing but effects. We’re constantly dreaming, but when we’re awake we tend to focus on the animal and material aspects of being. Not everybody does this, for some people the difference between sleeping and being awake is very small, maybe even nonexistent.
Since people are so associated with their animal consciousness and mind, they feel unconscious and out of control when they sleep. When you return to human consciousness while you sleep, you have a lucid dream. When you return to human consciousness while awake, you become enlightened. When the border between the two starts to dissolve, you become a master.
Things like visualisation and emotions are simply dreams that shine through while awake even if you’re oblivious to this dream connection.
How’s that for a perspective?
That sounds awesome, Manimal, if I understand you- when you become this master you become like an Organian on Star-Trek TOS, like pure thought, no distinction between the two so a dream you can manifest in the material waking world? Is that the next step in consciousness? Do you think people have attained this in their lives (like monks or prophets) and gone on to exist in a way beyond our perceptions?
Well, kind of. But with no Star trek involved :)
Ever heard of ascended masters? Or those indian adepts? If not, check that out.
Interesting views..this might get a bit off topic..but some curious observations indeed!
wow it is morning here i sit in the sun waking up slowly after my nite of dreams. im trying to integrate it all into this animal world. the dogs lay on the carpet chewing thier bones. that is the animal world. the dreams are superimposed still in my mind like a thin film so transparent over this animal reality. im integrating what both of you guys are telling me and listening to boten anna over and over. just to get into some kind of groove here.
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