Who invented war?

2 years, 4 months ago

Seriously where did war and violence and all the bad things in life come from? Without war there would be no need for guns, and in consequence people wouldn’t be able to walk into a school and just kill people.

December 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm

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Profile photo of tyler_ponte tyler_ponte (@tylerponte) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69, I don’t think anyone made war, I feel like stuff like that just evolved into what we now recognize as war. It probably all started from greed and jealousy, the wanting of more and the feeling of being inadequate. And the school incident was awful but stuff like that happens all over the world, it just doesn’t get as much attention, it’s a crazy world we live in.

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Profile photo of Eric Eric M (@blankey) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Humans. It rose because of imaginary things we created in our minds and how we then put importance on them and then slowly fought over them. Today we are doing the same thing. Our entire world is in the imagination right now. Our economy is inherently dependent on it. Hint, hint, MONEY.

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Profile photo of Cody Cody (@versai) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

We did. I know that’s an oversimplified, obvious answer… but I meditated hard on a parallel question of why, in this space and time, we still have violence in our world. I was on shrooms and had a good 3 hours to break that down into smaller questions, but it always pointed back to we did it and are responsible. I think if we treat each other more kindly we can pacify the evil, destructive intentions that can grow in someone who is unhappy or mentally ill. I kinda had a god complex during the trip, wondering what I could do to help these troubled people and transform them. The conclusion I came to was that we all need to treat each other like gods deserving the highest love and respect, even the worst of us. I later watched “3 magic words”, a documentary on netflix about spiritual philosophy. Their 3 words were “I am God” and suggested that if everyone could realize this, that it’d be an immediate, internal shift of the mind into a higher, “christ-consciousness” (my own term). And with everyone on that level, war, violence and the worst of our world would end as no one wants to send god off to war, punish god, imprison god, starve god, etc. When we realize each life is as valuable as our own, we can forgive even the most ‘insane’ avatars of god’s consciousness and heal the thorn in our species foot.

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Profile photo of Eric Eric M (@blankey) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@versai, Indeed if god were good, he would not allow evil. If god were god, he could do anything and should stop evil! This then leads to us being the responsible ones. We are it, god, brahman, the universe, and by every thought, action, and reaction we shape the world around us.

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Profile photo of Obviously, you're not a golfer Obviously, you’re not a golfer (@donjaime23) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69, http://www.theoi.com/image/img_ares.jpg

^This is Ares. He invented war.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69, If I had to guess, the first real civilizations began around mesopotamia and Egypt 5000 to 6000 B.C. Chances are these two had skirmishes, and a changing back and forth of rulership, just like Britain and France had. The Egyptians were likely pre-dominantly African but Mesopotamia is often described as a melting-pot of races, likely Indian, Polynesian and Greekoid. As “civilization” grows, meaning urbanization and argriculture, laws and monarch/dynasty style rulership, wars were most likely grown with them.

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Profile photo of Tine Tine (@tine) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69,

me.. i did.. when i wanted what you had more than i valued who you were

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Profile photo of Tine Tine (@tine) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69,

the selfishness of man

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69, Of course there were probably tribal wars before this, but these two ancient cultures were the first real giant sprawls of population, these would have been huge clashes unlike anything ever before.

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Profile photo of mook mook (@killopatra) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

you’re all wrong though. the earliest creatures created “war”. competition for resources. in fact there was no creation…it is just the nature of beings in competition coexisting.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@killopatra, Animals don’t war because war is a concept fought for conceptual reasons, animals are incapable of concept. Humans often fight for survival but that is because their enemy has greed, lust, envy or pride. All sins are conceptually born and all wars a born from sin.

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Profile photo of mook mook (@killopatra) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

I don’t think your conception of war is accurate. war is always actualized in individual struggle. this applies for amoebas, chimps, humans….also op asked where did war/violence come from…my response (superficially) answers that question.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69

Well duuhhh, it was HITLER.

“Seriously where did war and violence and all the bad things in life come from?”

-War and violence are as ancient as the cosmos itself. It’s an integral part of it.
Humans have a thing for war, that’s just the way things are. It’s not like there’s not a reason why they do it.

The bad things in life come from your mind, from your opinions and reactions.
Because nothing is ever good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

Nothing is bad in reality. Only in your opinion.

“Without war there would be no need for guns, and in consequence people wouldn’t be able to walk into a school and just kill people.”

-I see you’re a comedic fellow.

Guns have many uses other than war. And people can walk into a school and kill just as well without a gun. Remember that guy who did just that, with just a plain old rock? That rock was no gun. That incident was no war.

War and violence is the price we have to pay for freedom. And I’m not saying that like those bullshitting politicians do. I’m not talking about artificial freedom as a nation or community, but of true freedom as an individual.
People will always be different, that’s part of being free, people will never all be the same and get along. Thereby, violence happens. When a lot of violence happens, war breaks out.

It’s just a side effect.

What do you value more?

Temporary safety and artificial peace…

…or…

…freedom and flow?

Nothing is free, everything comes at a price. There is no right or wrong, only cause and effect.

You can’t have everything. You gotta prioritize and choose. That’s the basic freedom and responsibility that can never be taken away. Whatever you choose to have more of, you’ll have to sacrifice something else. Safety for freedom, or freedom for safety. Success for stimulation, or stimulation for success. Logic for ego, or ego for logic. Wisdom for unity, or unity for wisdom. Etc.

There will always be violence and war. We cannot run, we cannot hide, we cannot eliminate it… we can only learn, adapt, and grow.
You’ll always be powerless to the things that you try to push away. Only what you embrace can be mastered.

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Profile photo of D.I. D.I. (@thekingofthenorth) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69,
this is one of the most ignorant things i have heard in a while

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@killopatra, You have generalized war to mean survival of the fittest in natural selection, chemical reactions, atomic fusion, cause and effect, fair enough. I am saying; the fact is that even though humans are often subject to cause and effect, they do not have to be and that is the distinction I make with a being capable of conceptually objective reason, and everything else that simply reacts to its circumstance.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69, All warmongerers are pacifists; since the actions taken are deployed by the ‘department of defence’.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Ant colonies fight wars.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@boribori90, Ant and bee colonies are the only species to have never changed their societal structures over the past 50 million years or so. Perhaps we could learn a thing or two. Maybe war is essential?? mmm that seems wrong..

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@alanwatts, Even cells have to remove parts of themselves.

Everything fights; that’s just the way of the world.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@biga69, IT COMES FROM A GROUP OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SMACK AROUND BUTT CHEEKS

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Profile photo of Edward Bernays Edward Bernays (@edwardbernays) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Everything fights. Look at cats. Look at dogs. Its instinct. Weapons just make fighting more effective. I hear now even some apes have started to create spears and use them as weapons and tools for hunting.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@boribori90, :) discord at one level of magnification is harmony at another – A. Watts

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@alanwatts, @boribori90, @edwardbernays, You are talking about things that can only react to situations, not overcome them by understanding and discipline.

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Profile photo of DaDuke DaDuke (@dukevonschmot) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Much agreed. Fighting is part of the life cycle. There must be a struggle. There must be a time to rise above, and in order to rise above and become better, there must be something to rise over, or something to become better than.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@alanwatts, Clicking the heart icon on that.

@trek79, I was answering the question, Mr. Miyagi =p

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