Why can’t the majority of people think for themselves?

3 years, 1 month ago

What have we done to get us to this point in life where people are far more concerned about what other people think of them, rather than what they think of themselves?

Do you think the majority is aware of this problem?

January 25, 2012 at 5:43 am

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Profile photo of BirdFlyingHigh BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Because being an individual isn’t a natural state for people unless they’re encouraged into it.

Think about it – your entire life you are living with/for your family. Once your birth family has less sway it is replaced with the family of your friends.

It’s a survival trait on some level – people who are exiled from groups must suffer horribly. There’s a reason why this used to be one of the worst punishments you could get.

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Profile photo of Sasho Stoyanov Anonymous (@) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I have a theory that we spend too much time on social networks like this and we listen to a ton of opinions (most of which completely worthless). We forget mechanically that we are thinking alike and we become more dependent of our fellow species. A lot of people don’t know how to spend a valuable time with themselves. We think about other people so much that we don’t have time to daydream! @Bird, I don’t believe in your last paragraph. It must be the other way around – to get the fuck out of the group where you feel like you’re punishing yourself.

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Profile photo of tearoom tearoom (@tearoom) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

This is what I was noticing too! People can’t seem to be able to appreciate solitude for all that its got to offer.
Sasho can I gently creep on you and ask you where you live?

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Profile photo of Marlon Marlon (@shoeopener) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

I’m right here. This is getting even more hilarious. Gee, thanks for reminding me what smart things I used to write, though. I think school brained my damage.

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Profile photo of tearoom tearoom (@tearoom) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

oh I think i remember you, I stalkeded you before but I didn’t know you were one

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Profile photo of Marlon Marlon (@shoeopener) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

It’s very interesting for me too. I stalk myself.

You know, I really read some things by myself and it’s getting hard not to trip. Looking at the decisions I’ve made since I wrote this, I only see how I either fail myself or can’t really get into the same mind state because of my current influences. Back then I didn’t have any.

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Profile photo of Marlon Marlon (@shoeopener) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

How do you measure… time by the perceptiveness of influence by the same people? What’s a personality :? Who are you?

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Profile photo of Marlon Marlon (@shoeopener) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

Here’s a joke. If you start to think for yourself someone’s going to interrupt you.

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Profile photo of tearoom tearoom (@tearoom) 8 months, 3 weeks ago ago

this is tripping me out right now, did you slip something into my synchronicity when I wasn’t looking?

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Profile photo of BirdFlyingHigh BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Well, it’s the worst punishment you can imagine if you want to be in the group.

If you couldn’t give a fuck, then it doesn’t really matter one way or the other.

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Profile photo of Sasho Stoyanov Anonymous (@) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I don’t remember when exactly but it was a decent time ago when I found this article. It makes perfect sense.

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/HomePage/Class/Psy301/Niederhoffer/Articles/spotlight.html

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Profile photo of Sasho Stoyanov Anonymous (@) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I don’t think the majority is aware of this problem. I am sure that some people understand it, but they forget it afterwards. Or at least they don’t act like they are aware of it, which is surprising.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@nickc2007) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

It’s so observable that the least popular, most awkward people I know are those who are terrified about what people are gonna think of them, and always trying to calculate what they think they might be supposed to say. The people everyone looks up to are those who couldn’t give a shit what people think of them. Be on that side.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Social conditioning. This society would never work if people think for themselves.

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Profile photo of DANM!! DANM!! (@deej) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

What would the world be like if everybody thought for themselves? I mean a society would work for the people who believe in it’s principles. If you chose and understand those values then it’s possible it can work. Things just would NOT be the same.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

@DantheMan That would require the destruction of this society and the creation of a new one. That seems to be what’s happening now, fortunately.

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Profile photo of Steven Steven (@steven) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

The reason why we are capable of complex logical reasoning is probably because we live in complex societies where it actually matters what the rest of the group thinks about you. It’s the basis of our social nature, and our forebrains evolved probably as a result of keeping check of how we feel about others and trying to reason what others feel towards ourselves.
In other words, the fact that we care about what others think about us is the reason we think at all!

What makes you believe it was ever different?

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I dono what ppl think, it doesn’t matter :)

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

To answer your question, I’d say over population was a big contributor. Over population mixed with an over changing perception of cool and whats pretty. Over time people just wanted to be liked by other people.

I think that music has a relation to a form of intelligence, I see it every wheres. Sure smart there’s a group of smart folks who enjoy many genres. But there’s a lot of deep intellectuals who make music and instead of the average mindless girl at a bar.

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Profile photo of animus animus (@animus) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

I believe that caring about what others think of you definitely serves a purpose for the basic things that keep us alive and healthy, such as taking showers and not killing others. Sociopaths will kill somebody because of the fact that they do not care about what others think of them (i.e. the criminal justice system). But I do feel, especially here in America, that society has unbalanced this (individual thinking vs. caring about what others think) to the extreme. I don’t give a shit to a certain extent about what people think about me as a person, but I do to the point where I’m not going to go around acting a fool and disrespecting others.

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Profile photo of TheSkaFish TheSkaFish M (@theskafish) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

@pTc I think rights are real, they come from the slow realization over the years that no class of person is inherently superior to another. In the past, royalty had the divine right to do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted without consequence. Now we realize that is absurd, because a human being is a human being. These rights to many things were hard-fought and built up over the years, because power doesn’t just give things away. What’s going on today isn’t the fault of people wanting rights, it’s the fault of powerful abusers who want to take our rights away to increase their own power. Which leads back to the discussion, they would not have such unchecked power if more people thought for themselves. But since the abusers control the media and the school system, they intentionally create an environment that doesn’t encourage thinking for yourself because it would threaten their power. The majority are not aware of this problem because they have been conditioned since an early age not to think there is a problem.

I don’t know why so many people these days like to attack the idea of rights, a world without rights would just devolve to the strong forcing themselves on everyone.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

@TheSkaFish Rights are earned. The problem isn’t that people “don’t have rights,” the problem is that people squander the rights they have. If you choose to be irresponsible and seek nothing but instant gratification and comfort, you give away your rights. This is a choice.

Nobody can force another person to want something. The reason why all these distractions, all these unfair rules and all this other bad stuff exists is because people ask for it, the “bad” people only supply people with what they ask for. They’re not the cause of the problem, they’re a symptom.

People are lazy, people want stuff right away without doing anything to earn it, people don’t want to have to make tough decisions or take responsibility for their fuckups, etc. etc. So some of course there will be some people who say “Hey, we’ll do that for you, if you do this and that for us. Deal?” It’s a fair deal, a mutual exchange of favours. One person wants comfort, the other wants power, so they give that to each other. When you stop taking responsibility, you terminate your rights, you become livestock. There’s nothing weird about that, that’s what the deal is all about.

A world without these forced rights wouldn’t devolve into the strong forcing themselves on everyone, it would evolve into a world where everyone is strong. That’s a good thing. And that’s what’s happening as we speak. Society is crumbling, and it’s glorious. Those who cling to this sinking ship will perish, that’s their own decision as well, and that’s just how the world works.

Survival of the fittest.

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Profile photo of dying breed dying breed (@anotherclone3) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

ppl only compare themselves,they don’t think for themselves they see their selves in the eyes of others,acknowledgement,live their lives on society’s standard’s.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 3 years, 1 month ago ago

Simple, people have left no room in their minds for original, creative or independant thought.

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Profile photo of TheArchives TheArchives (@TheArchives) 3 months, 2 weeks ago ago

Conditioning of government, and other people. It’s a load of crap to say “everyone’s different” because they’re not. It’s when you can ask questions like this you start to think for your self. The systems corrupt. We’re conditioned to think just after a day you can’t wear clothes over again and they must be washed. You must not eat an apple just because it’s bruised. You must not wear a sweater just because it’s summer.

People think you can buy personality. And in five years they’ll have a different one. When you hear “people change” I believe that isn’t true. Your born who your supposed to be. And if that means everyone’s else is like that I don’t really know what else to say. I know my words don’t make sense or they may seem to choppy. I’m better at understanding my self then explaining.

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