Would you kill someone in defense of yourself and/or someone else?
If you had a gun and someone charged you with a knife, would you kill them? Likewise, if they were attacking someone else, would you kill them in that scenario? Really basic examples, but in any case, would you do it? I would. I’d probably feel bad about it after the fact, but I know I’d pull the trigger without hesitation.
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@bongodeburrito, These type of scenarios are why part of why I want to train in Krav Maga or anything that would allow me to use nothing more than hands and feet to disable the attacker, and if I kill him.. well he was trying to kill me so that sounds like his bad to me. I do own a gun, it’s mostly to shoot for fun, but if I had to use it, I certainly would. (aka my life or one of the people I consider family’s life is in immediate danger)
@bongodeburrito, the trouble is, let’s suppose this happens – someone attacks me (in either a public or private location), I fight back, they wind up dead or grievously injured, but they were still the instigator, the source of the problem. Nothing violent would have happened if they weren’t the ones to initiate it. I was acting in self-defense, but can I now be arrested instead?
In real life, a few years ago a couple friends and I were playing tennis in a park, and a bunch of drunk kids tried to jump us (I know, not as extreme as the original post but still a self-defense issue). I wanted to stand and fight them with a bat since they had no right to attack us, but my friends said that even if I fought in self-defense they would wind up winning the case even though they were the ones threatening us for no reason. I’ve been confused on this ever since.
“Have one of your friends “assault” you with a felt marker without the cap and attempt to disarm them. If you wind up with two or more felt marks on your body/clothing, odds are you’re severely incapacitated”
Odds are I’ll shoot them with my hypothetical paintball gun and invalidate this scenario.
“And then lets imagine its someone on an adrenaline rush, or meth, or crack, or that’s got 50 pounds on you, or whatever.”
Adrenaline, meth, crack, makes no difference how you justify it. What about a 10 year old girl who cuts you with a razor because she felt like it? Whose more dangerous?
“I’m going to preserve my life, because my life doesnt involve the attempt to take people’s lives.”
Aren’t you trying to explain why you could intentionally take someone elses’ life? Maybe I’m taking this too literally, my point is manslaughter is stupid and clumsy and in 99% of cases happens because someone didn’t behave rationally.
@mimic, “Like I said, it’s not a matter of lethality that I am against, it’s the excuses behind using it that I find repulsive. If someone dies because you defended yourself, that’s regrettable. If you choose to kill someone because they threatened you, that’s retarded.”
So in the scenario I presented, someone attempting to attack you with a knife, which is an immediate threat to your life, it would be retarded to kill them? I dont understand where you’re coming from. What would you consider defending yourself?
“Against a knife-wielding enemy, you’d use a paintball gun?”
“Well assuming its the 10 year old with a razor, that seems reasonable.”
Perhaps, what we disagree on though is you also consider two shots center mass reasonable if a 10 year old girl threatened you with a knife. Semantics aside, that’s just sloppy.
“It would probably cause most anyone to rethink their decision. But what if they kept coming?”
Then the average person is probably going to get hurt if they don’t run away.
I wouldn’t try to kill them, maybe just really hurt them. Stab them in the thigh and keep the knife in- if they take it out they are dead and if they don’t get immediate medical attention they are dead.
But if someone were hurting my child I would go in for the kill- no pussy footing around or taking chances with his life.
@theskafish, In the US, it all depends on what state you’re in. Some say that as soon as they step onto your property you can shoot, others say if you’re threatened in a public place you can shoot, and others say you have to retreat and avoid the conflict at all costs until you can finally shoot, like locking yourself in your closet and waiting for them to try to break in.
This is a great question. I have always wondered all my life if my reaction would be fight or flight and two summers ago I found out when my house was broken into. My girlfriend just froze but I jumped out of bed and chased the guy from my house in my boxers. I am so happy that I had a fight reaction. I now have two guns in my room and have taken classes and become practiced in them. I feel completely comfortable and confident in my use of firearms. So with that said if I was being attacked I would definitely kill the attacker. If some one else was being attacked I would do everything in my power to stop the attack with out hurting anyone or using violence and even then I would rather shoot the attacker in the knee and disable them and wait for cops to come than just straight up kill him. However in an adrenaline filled, scary situation I can’t say for certain what I would do.
“I have an innate desire to kill”
“I couldn’t rationalize hurting innocent people, I needed a motivation, a reason”
Like a porn addict who chastises himself for degrading the pixels of his laptop? It’s the closest analogy I could think of…I like your responses. They are mind boggling.
@mongothedj, If you shoot to injure instead of kill you’re more likely to be held legally liable than if you just flat out kill them. And the crotch is a short distance from two things. 1) air, empty space, i.e. not the person, and 2) the gut, which is a nice slow painful way to die.
If I thought that killing was the only option I was given, then I would have to. This would apply, say, if I knew that, were I unsuccessful in stopping the attacker, they would 100% murder me or the person I was trying to save.
There is a huge difference, however between this type of scenario and most scenarios.
Also, something else interesting to consider when you think through this concept all of the way: is there a burden on you, at any point, to be prepared for these types of situations.
Say, for instance, you chose to remain willfully ignorant of your environment despite knowing that it was laden with dangerous circumstances. Rather than prepare yourself with a self-defense class or some sort of teachings that allowed you to be more level headed under pressure, you instead deny yourself these valuable options.
With the aforementioned in effect, were you to see yourself or another as a victim, you’d be ill-prepared and might kill someone when, had you tried to prepare, you could have spared a life.
Without hesitation i would kill to protect myself or others. I would never take a life unless I absolutely had to, but if I had to, then I would do whats necessary. If I could neutralize them without killing them even better
Yes, I would if someone was physically attacking someone I love. It’s not a case of choice, I just don’t think I would be able to control myself. Not that I’d want to control myself.
If someone was attacking me? Probably not, it would depend on a whole lot of things. I’m in a job where it’s a possibility someone might attack me. Am I gonna kill them? It’s doubtful. Until in my head it comes down to ‘It really is me or them’.
In the street, in my home, I’d do as much damage to them as I needed to do to get them off me, but I wouldn’t aim to kill. However if that happened I wouldn’t feel bad about it.
I always worry that one day I might see someone being cruel to animals (You know how you read about people hurting cats with fireworks and kicking hedgehogs about) because I’m not sure how much self control I would have in that situation either.
No guns here though. They aren’t knocking about in England like they seem to be everywhere else.
Anyone can say they’re a badass, anyone can SAY they will pull the trigger, but when heavy shit actually goes down, their actions can be very different. I’m more of a hand-to-hand combat guy, so I think I would try to use what little I know about judo to fight my attacker.
I know, too many times, people have been screwed over arguing the “stand your ground” case.
Chances are the guy doesn’t even know how to use it. The only place I can think of that people can get training in knives is the military. It may be foolish, but I trust every man and woman in uniform. Except cops.
But like I said, you really don’t know how you will react until you’re in the heat of the moment.