Would you kill someone in defense of yourself and/or someone else?

2 years, 3 months ago

If you had a gun and someone charged you with a knife, would you kill them? Likewise, if they were attacking someone else, would you kill them in that scenario? Really basic examples, but in any case, would you do it? I would. I’d probably feel bad about it after the fact, but I know I’d pull the trigger without hesitation.

September 3, 2012 at 11:34 pm

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Profile photo of Bobby Bobby (@bobbylloydxd) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@bongodeburrito, it doesn’t sound to me like your friends life is in danger. She made it out of the situation unharmed. Maybe she should consider moving? That sounds like a much easier solution than having you kill someone.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

“Have one of your friends “assault” you with a felt marker without the cap and attempt to disarm them. If you wind up with two or more felt marks on your body/clothing, odds are you’re severely incapacitated”

Odds are I’ll shoot them with my hypothetical paintball gun and invalidate this scenario.

“And then lets imagine its someone on an adrenaline rush, or meth, or crack, or that’s got 50 pounds on you, or whatever.”

Adrenaline, meth, crack, makes no difference how you justify it. What about a 10 year old girl who cuts you with a razor because she felt like it? Whose more dangerous?

“I’m going to preserve my life, because my life doesnt involve the attempt to take people’s lives.”

Aren’t you trying to explain why you could intentionally take someone elses’ life? Maybe I’m taking this too literally, my point is manslaughter is stupid and clumsy and in 99% of cases happens because someone didn’t behave rationally.

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Profile photo of Kidd Kidd (@kidd) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@mimic, To be fair, I doubt it’s easy to think rationally when someone comes at you with a knife. I doubt it’s easy to think logically when the panic button in your brain is telling you you’re in danger.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

The OP explained that he wouldn’t panic and would not lose his ability to reason. I’m explaining why, if that were the case, he’s acting like a moron by intentionally trying to kill someone.

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Profile photo of savmot savmot (@savmot) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Yes, I would if someone was physically attacking someone I love. It’s not a case of choice, I just don’t think I would be able to control myself. Not that I’d want to control myself.
If someone was attacking me? Probably not, it would depend on a whole lot of things. I’m in a job where it’s a possibility someone might attack me. Am I gonna kill them? It’s doubtful. Until in my head it comes down to ‘It really is me or them’.
In the street, in my home, I’d do as much damage to them as I needed to do to get them off me, but I wouldn’t aim to kill. However if that happened I wouldn’t feel bad about it.

I always worry that one day I might see someone being cruel to animals (You know how you read about people hurting cats with fireworks and kicking hedgehogs about) because I’m not sure how much self control I would have in that situation either.

No guns here though. They aren’t knocking about in England like they seem to be everywhere else.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

This isn’t even a difficult question. If your life or the life of an innocent person is being threatened you take action to stop it.

For anyone who has any type of gun training, especially military, you know that when lives are at stake, and your adrenaline is flowing, your fine motor functions are gone and you rely on instinct and whatever training you may have. So to anybody who thinks that they’re going to just be able to plant one in the attacker’s knee while they’re running at you, or maybe shoot at their feet and make em dance like in an old western movie, you’re fooling yourself. Or you can just spray and pray, but then you end up with a situation like at the Empire State Building, those were trained police officers and when that guy pulled his gun they unloaded and 8 bystanders got injured.

I agree with @mimic, somewhat, mistakes will be made in these situations, between panic and adrenaline, a weapon is a very dangerous thing. But if that person valued their life, they wouldn’t have made yours or an innocent persons feel threatened. Maybe everybody should be trained in proper weapon usage, whether they want a gun or not. It’s not bad training to have.

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Profile photo of Bobby Bobby (@bobbylloydxd) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

it seems to me that most people would be willing to kill in order to defend themselves or others. That is fine and that is what I expected. Dwelling on a simple question like this seems beneath us as a community. Maybe we could talk about ways to avoid a situation in which someone dies? Realistic ways

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Profile photo of Sean LeBlanc Sean LeBlanc (@bongodeburrito) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@bobbylloydxd, I told her that, and she’s planning on it. But she was really concerned at the time, and its not the first time he’s done something like that. I’d much rather her move than someone winding up hurt.

@mimic, So you’re saying you would shoot them if they were coming at you? And I never said I wouldnt be fearful. I said I wouldnt be shooting him out of fear, I’d be shooting because there is a legitimate threat to my life. I wouldnt be shooting because someone was making me uncomfortable, but because they were clearly a threat.

@smalls, That’s where I was coming from. If I had the ability to disable them without killing them, I’d be more than happy to, but it doesnt work like that.

@bobbylloydxd, I was wondering what people thought about killing in self defense. I dont like violence, but I have no issue resorting to it when the need arises. As far as avoiding the scenario, I believe in heavy doors and locks and alarm systems, along with carrying nonlethal protection. In fact, if it were a requirement that to carry a weapon on you in public, you also had to carry a taser or mace, I would back that up 100%. I’ve been trained to respond to the scenario based on the threat level, and if you can neutralize an enemy in a nonlethal manner, I consider it a win, as opposed to killing them.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

“So you’re saying you would shoot them if they were coming at you?”

Yes. If I had a paintball gun, I’d use it as a weapon.

“I said I wouldnt be shooting him out of fear, I’d be shooting because there is a legitimate threat to my life”

Where’s the line drawn between self defense and self preservation? I don’t know.

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Profile photo of Jaz Jaz (@jpixi) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@bongodeburrito, I’d probably just shoot them in the leg or find a way to harm them but not kill them. Maybe shoot the hand w/the knife in it? There are ways around it.

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Profile photo of Sean LeBlanc Sean LeBlanc (@bongodeburrito) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@mimic, Against a knife-wielding enemy, you’d use a paintball gun? Well assuming its the 10 year old with a razor, that seems reasonable. It would probably cause most anyone to rethink their decision. But what if they kept coming?

Self defense is one option of self preservation. If someone broke into my house and started up a chainsaw and I had a metal door, I’d hide in that room. Otherwise, my only option is to shoot.

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Profile photo of Sean LeBlanc Sean LeBlanc (@bongodeburrito) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@jpixi, To quote Mike, who explained it better than I already had:

“For anyone who has any type of gun training, especially military, you know that when lives are at stake, and your adrenaline is flowing, your fine motor functions are gone and you rely on instinct and whatever training you may have. So to anybody who thinks that they’re going to just be able to plant one in the attacker’s knee while they’re running at you, or maybe shoot at their feet and make em dance like in an old western movie, you’re fooling yourself. Or you can just spray and pray, but then you end up with a situation like at the Empire State Building, those were trained police officers and when that guy pulled his gun they unloaded and 8 bystanders got injured.”

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

“Against a knife-wielding enemy, you’d use a paintball gun?”

Why not?

“Well assuming its the 10 year old with a razor, that seems reasonable.”

Perhaps, what we disagree on though is you also consider two shots center mass reasonable if a 10 year old girl threatened you with a knife. Semantics aside, that’s just sloppy.

“It would probably cause most anyone to rethink their decision. But what if they kept coming?”

Then the average person is probably going to get hurt if they don’t run away.

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Profile photo of K K (@FLIP) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

This is a great question. I have always wondered all my life if my reaction would be fight or flight and two summers ago I found out when my house was broken into. My girlfriend just froze but I jumped out of bed and chased the guy from my house in my boxers. I am so happy that I had a fight reaction. I now have two guns in my room and have taken classes and become practiced in them. I feel completely comfortable and confident in my use of firearms. So with that said if I was being attacked I would definitely kill the attacker. If some one else was being attacked I would do everything in my power to stop the attack with out hurting anyone or using violence and even then I would rather shoot the attacker in the knee and disable them and wait for cops to come than just straight up kill him. However in an adrenaline filled, scary situation I can’t say for certain what I would do.

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Profile photo of Adam Smith Adam Smith (@adamsmith) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Yup

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Profile photo of Daniel Daniel (@meta) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

How is this even a question? Anyone with the physical ability to pull the trigger and chooses to not do so is proof of Darwin’s theory. I would pull the trigger to protect myself or anyone else from serious injury, nonetheless probable death.

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Profile photo of Daniel Daniel (@meta) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@Mime, what is the difference between self-defense and self-preservation? It sounds like you’re just playing an unimportant game of symantics. Also, what’s your fixation with a paintball gun?

Many people have this misconception that they are going to be able to react to acts of violence with superhuman reflexes and/or have time to grab a weapon of their own before harm can be done to them. In reality, if someone is attacking you with a knife, you aren’t going to already have a firearm pointed their way, in fact, you probably won’t even see it coming.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

“@Mime, what is the difference between self-defense and self-preservation? It sounds like you’re just playing an unimportant game of symantics.”

Self defense; I’ll kill someone trying to kill me.
Self preservation; I’ll eat someone because I’m hungry.

I don’t need to be convinced of the practicality of lethal force, it’s obvious and understandable. That doesn’t make it any less negligent.

“Also, what’s your fixation with a paintball gun? ”

It seemed an appropriate defense against someone wielding a marker pen.

“Many people have this misconception that they are going to be able to react to acts of violence with superhuman reflexes and/or have time to grab a weapon of their own before harm can be done to them. In reality, if someone is attacking you with a knife, you aren’t going to already have a firearm pointed their way, in fact, you probably won’t even see it coming.”

Now who’s arguing semantics?

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Profile photo of Daniel Daniel (@meta) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

How is that semantics?

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

You’re arguing that it would be impractical to defend yourself with a gun.

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Profile photo of Gare Gare (@fossilfuelsrule) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Digression rules everything. If death occurs to the person threatening other’s. I don’t believe there would any emotional distress. Getting my throat slit or stabbed by a full on kitchen/ buck knife, whatever, is one most unimaginable events i can willingly conjure. If your life and others’ are in danger, I would wound before making a kill shot. I’ve never killed anyone, and if possible would keep it that way.

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Profile photo of Tine Tine (@tine) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@bongodeburrito,

The way I see it, my violence is a tool, its there whether I want it to be or not, therefore it becomes an issue of how to task it. I have an innate desire to kill, probably because I’m partly sociopathic, and for years I have battled with my desire to go over the deep end, in love with the darkness and the only reason why I didn’t was because I couldn’t rationalize hurting innocent people, I needed a motivation, a reason. So I began pondering on this and through this thought I was able to understand the ‘choice’ element, the anger that causes violence is a ‘tool’ and the way I want to use this tool is to defend the innocent, this way, there is always a legitimate reason.

So to answer your question, without remorse would be my response. If someone comes at me with the intent of harming me or my own, the darkness that lays dormant inside me will be called out, and whatever that manifests into is what they get to deal with. They’ve opened the door to that, whatever they get after that is a consequence.

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Profile photo of Ekrafied Ekrafied (@malciouscharm) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Yup, if they came at me with the intention to kill, I would pick up what ever means at hand, to destroy the fuck.

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Profile photo of Tine Tine (@tine) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@bongodeburrito

And just to clarify, I love peace and I would only use violence in a situation like you described, an extreme.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

“I have an innate desire to kill”

“I couldn’t rationalize hurting innocent people, I needed a motivation, a reason”

Like a porn addict who chastises himself for degrading the pixels of his laptop? It’s the closest analogy I could think of…I like your responses. They are mind boggling.

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