Read this post on my blog to get the discussion on the way!
You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
I watched this documentary a few months ago and it completely changed my perspective on the food I eat. I highly recommend it because after I saw this I changed my diet completely and have been feeling phenomenally beter because of it!
Fair enough Jim. Their was definitely arrogance and disrespect in my tone, and I reget that.
Maybe I am frustrated to easily and have some reflection to do. Belittling russ isn’t spreading positive energy at all. I’m sorry. I just dont like to see people holding onto their ignorance as if it were the rope in gym class.
If any of you are considering a vegetarian diet but are nervous about the health effects, there is a tremendous book on the subject called the China Study. It is written by an extremely accomplished man that takes truth to be the authority, and the truth found in the book is impossible to dismiss.
I hope your all going to do what you love to do today. Sorry about any negativity in my comments.
let me first give a resounding “OMNOMNOMNOMNOM”.
secondly, i’d like to point out that mattias said “General Tits” earlier.
and now for the actual substance of my comment: first off, anyone who eats from McDonalds and such are just flat out stupid. It’s such common knowledge that it’ll basically kill you, I don’t know why there’s still a line that backs out into the street every morning in front of my local McDonalds. On the topic of vegetarianism, I think being a vegetarian or vegan would be awesome, but I just don’t have the willpower for it… but I HAVE been choosing my foods better. No more Tyson meat after watching Food Inc…
I meant more along the lines of saying things like dairy is bad. It’s a huge overgeneralization that a lot of vegans perpetuate (ex: that Skinny Bitch book). Dairy products can be really good for you. A little puss never hurt anyone, and milk is a great source of slow releasing protein, calcium, and vitamin D. Plus things like yogurt have bacteria that are very beneficial to your gut.
General Tits (I said it again : ))
classic milk defence there…
well first off, if you are not Caucasian you are most likely allergic to milk.
The protein, Casein, is actually a carcinogen ~(read the China Study) calcium, yes, but how digestible? countries with the highest dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis, and it isn’t really that good a source of Vitamin D, the sun is a good source for vitamin D. Yoghurt has bacteria, but only if it is unpasteurized… and good luck finding that in your local shop… but if you make your own yoghurt from unpasteurized milk, good on you…. but it is still full of hormones meant for calves, not humans…
there is more… but I urge you to do your own research.
Dude I did some research (mostly scientific journals, my textbook from nutrition class, as well as the US Navy SEAL Guide to Fitness and Nutrition) and I was surprised about some of the stuff I found. Although you have a lot of good points, I didn’t find any studies specific to humans when testing the negative effects of milk. Also it seems that casein, compared to soy and whey, allows cancer to develop more quickly rather than being carcinogenic itself.
What does this mean? Well there are possible links between casein and quicker cancer development, so I’ll probably cut my dairy intake from a shit ton of milk to just a ton of milk. But in defense of my previous pro milk comment, there are lots of dieticians that recommend drinking milk as well as human studies pointing to health benefits of milk, for example http://www.ajcn.org/content/76/3/675.
Everyone needs to watch this documentary about food & standard ‘health’care in America.
It is called THE BEAUTIFUL TRUTH, and it is about a NUTRITIONAL THERAPY by Dr. Max Gerson that was developed in 1928, which has been found (and there are records upon records at the San Diego Gerson Institute, plus patient testimonials, etc) to CURE every single one of these diseases (and more):
Kidney Colic Attacks
YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO MISS OUT ON THIS! We have to be our own doctors and learn how to heal ourselves! Stop feeding into the ‘pill-for-every-ill’ mentality! Watch it and be amazed.
Using the same source as you did then:
seems most deal with the ill effects of dairy, rather than the benefits…
and to counter your study, this one is interesting:
but I am not advocating soy over milk, I am advocating neither, and in any case, if you really want any benefits from milk, it needs to be unpasteurized.
I myself consume small amounts of unpasteurized fresh cheese. but not for it’s nutritional benefits (as I get my fill of nutrients from other sources) but it is more for emotional attachment and habit, I would say…
Milk’s saturated fat is the worst that there is…. I think the best arguement they have going is that machine milked cows get blood and puss in the milk… so its gross… I’ve also heard of milk stripping your bones of calcium, so the net affect from calcium is 0 because it takes some out and puts some in, I can’t remember the fine details, sorry… It’s all controversial
If if you drink soy, I’ve heard not to drink isolate proteins… I guess it’s fine in whey, but they have show it to be cancerous with soy
I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet so I will! my friend and I were just talking yesterday about how being poor really affects what your food consumption is. And the truth is eating anything at all is “healthy”, because it keeps you alive. Even if you are eating things that are not the best for you, you are still gaining sustenance for life. The bad thing about that though is that McDonalds/ any fast food restaurant ever has taken advantage of this. Good food should be cheaper but our whole society is going to shit! Soo until I’m rich I will be doing my best to be healthy but there isn’t too much I can do.
@Matt, Being poor doesn’t mean you need to eat unhealthy foods. In fact the more a food is processed the more you are really paying for it, if not now then you pay for it later at the doctor, or with early death. There are plenty of cheap unprocessed foods, beans and rice being the first 2 coming to mind.
@tits and Mattias, Mattias was right when he said most non-caucasians are allergic to milk, or at least have adverse effects. Tits was right when he pointed out that yogurt is good for just about everyone, sour cream is another fermented dairy product that is also not bad for most people. Either way osteoporosis is a major problem specifically for post menopausal women, gotta get that calcium. Also its not as difficult as you think to get yogurt with active bacteria, nearest co-op will probably have some.
Being completely vegan or vegetarian makes it difficult to get all of your essential proteins and amino acids, meaning you need to eat multiple protein sources (nuts, beans, dairy and vegetable proteins) you must be careful about not depriving yourself of these or you will lose muscle mass (every pound of muscle on your body requires 75 calories a day to upkeep) which is especially important for anyone overweight. Another issue that many veg’s have is iron deficiencies, so many end up supplementing.
An interesting diet is the diet by blood type, you can google it and find links, or go to your nearest book store and ask them and they will find it for you. This has many of the same idea’s as in gerson’s diet, but some different research which I found to be a little more scientific.
Almost forgot, Ghandi lived long periods of his life on ground nut butter and i think bananas if I remember correctly…however he was a ninja lol
Matt – actually you are better off buying apples for all your money that you spend on fast food restaurants, it will sustain you much better, and it will give you life force… fast food will give you calories, but not life force, it will take life force away, and give you nothing beneficial in return. also to fast or under eat is healthy for you. (if all is well in the mind and your issues with weight, body image etc are all under control) – so what I am saying is that, NO McD is not a better option than not eating anything, it is a worse option, and any product you can buy in the fresh produce section in the supermarket will be healthier for you. Heck, most things you buy in the canned and dry goods section of the supermarket will be healthier…
“They” only “win” as you say, because you let them win, because you don’t want (them) to change, you like that they serve you shit, and you pay money for it… sure, not much, but really, you pay, for something that you know is contributing to the active destruction of both this world and your health, and you say they are taking advantage, they are not taking advantage Matt, you are letting them take advantage, and that’s a big difference… you are letting them take advantage with lame excuses about being poor and not being rich, it being difficult and the society going to shit… well as long as you eat at McD and Co, you are contributing to you being poor and society going to shit.
SO the simple truth is, it is not healthier to eat anything than not eating, although not eating bad food doesn’t mean not eating… as you spend money on the food, pizza, coke, burger, gum, chocolate, well, it stacks up, and suddenly good food looks very much cheaper…
Karl – I personally find the blood type diet rather unscientific (at least as far as I so far learnt). And I also think it is very easy for a vegan or vegetarian to get all the amino acids – as easy or easier as for any meat eater. Iron deficiency as a phenomenon is very much more common in a meat eating diet, alas I have heard them all (or most of them).
most of you would feel extremely much better if you changed your diet and ate (raw) nut butter and bananas, you would all become ninjas just like Ghandi… we can all become ninjas all you do is that you watch the ninjas, and you do like them.
30 bananas per day and you get (in accordance with fat western standards) your sufficient calorie intake per day.
anyway, lets be Ninjas, why leave things to the Ghandi’s of this world, why not be Ghandi’s ourselves.
you can buy vegetables from your local grocery store and prepare a variety of curries, stir fries, and salads and your price of a meal will be far beneath what it costs to eat at mcdonalds unless everytime you go you only order a single dollar cheeseburger. You can even make pastas and a variety of other things. I know this to be true because i live this truth. If you are eating fast food regularly odds are you are not saving yourself any money. the truth is that you are most likely too lazy to spend the time it takes to make a healthy meal. You are probably so lazy because you eat lousy food that makes you feel tired and slow. its a circuitous trap. One in which the only way out is a little discipline.
Eating animals is one of the worst things you can do for yourself, the planet, and definitely the animal of whose flesh you are eating
P.S. Soy food is not good for you. It is genetically modified 99% of the time, even when it says organic, and it produces excess estrogen in your body. If you are looking for a healthy milk alternative the best thing you will find is rice milk. which is relatively easy to make and affordable.
I haven’t had the chance to read it yet but am a firm believer in the phrase ‘You are what you eat’ due struggling with my weight for the first 18/19 years I was on this planet, I can say with certainty from personal experience that eating clean, healthy unprocessed food benefits greatly in every other aspect of life, physical emotional spiritual mental etc etc etc.